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Guest list problems and invitation conflict

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    cutebutdangerous    October 6, 2012  

    My fiance and I both have big families, but while I am very close to most of mine and they all always travel to family events, he isn't particularly close to many of his relatives and a lot of them don't travel even to weddings. As soon as we got engaged (over a year ago), I started asking his mom about how many people she expected to come out to an East Coast wedding in Fall 2012 (they're mostly from the Midwest) and couldn't get a response out of her. Last Easter I got her to start asking her relatives at their family party, but everyone apparently just said that it was too far out to plan and they couldn't begin to know whether they might be able to fly out for a wedding a year and a half away. Eventually, once we had started looking for venues and really needed to know how many people to expect from the Groom's side, his mom finally told me that she would anticipate at most 40. With that number in mind, we chose a reception venue that holds a maximum of 200 people. As of now, my parents are paying for the entire wedding. The Groom's family have said they might be able to contribute some money, but haven't committed to an amount or even spoken to my parents about it at all. 

    As we were getting ready to send out save-the-dates, my parents came to the decision that they were going to allocate 45 people on the guest list for the Groom's family (extended family: his parents and siblings are separate). When we explained this to his mom, she was furious and denies ever having given me such a low estimate. She now would expect at least 80 people to be able to come! First of all, we have a hard limit at the venue, so there's minimal flexibility on this just in terms of numbers. If she had told me that number a year ago, we could have picked a larger venue, but even then my parents wouldn't have felt comfortable paying $250 per person for more than the 45 they already allotted and would have needed his parents to contribute, which they don't seem willing/able to do. 

    His mom seems to have resigned herself to the 45 limit, but now there's a conflict over save-the-date and invitiation etiquette. My parents and I decided that we don't want to rely on guest list attrition to meet the 200 limit, so we are going to send out invitations early and to no more than 200 people. If people RSVP no, we will then send out a second round of invites (still a couple months out) to people who didn't quite make the A list. Since you need to send an invitation to everyone who gets a save-the-date, we are also only going to send save-the-dates to those 200 people. The Groom's mom is now insisting that we need to send save-the-dates to her whole family, and that she wants invitations to go to the people who tell her they won't be coming. The issue here is what if they do decide to come after all? We can't take the risk of inviting someone thinking they're not going to come, only to have them change their mind later and screw up our numbers. Her family always sends invitations to everyone for weddings, but they also always have weddings in huge venues with buffet dinners. We will have room to seat exactly 200 people, and there will be a sit-down dinner. We don't have the freedom to have an uncertain number of guests.

    My fiance and I are getting stuck in the middle of all this, since his mom refuses to return my mom's calls and speak to her directly about her concerns. Any input or advice would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!

     
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    Crabbabs    September 8, 2012   Madison, Wisconsin

    Your thought process is spot on. While I know it isn't necessarily best etiquette to have a "B" list. I think it is entirely appropriate here. 

    Your mom and dad are hosting (paying) so they get a say on how many people to invite. 45 is totally reasonable to me, so I think you will just have to stand firm and let your FMIL pout for a while. From her perspective, she probably just wants everyone to feel included and while most will probably not come, but you have to be prepared that they will. 

    Could you do something like only send STDs and invite the aunts/uncles and then add cousins as RSVP declines come in?

    Your FI should be dealing with his mom. If she refuses to return your mom's phone calls, he needs to tell his mom that she will be excluded from future wedding planning if she can't "play nice". 

     

     
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    lamkky    August 11, 2012  

    I agree with Crabbabs.  Your logic is spot-on.  Your parents are paying for it so they get to have the final say.  Your FI needs to deal with his mom on this.  Especially she is not contributing anything to the wedding, she can't simply "DEMAND" things to happen in her favor. If she can't play nice, just exclude her from planning and just invite to show up as guest on the day of. 

    I am not doing this Western style which my parents would be paying, nor we are doing the Asian style which groom's parents are paying (which I know they never intended to pay), so we are paying.  With that said, we have the power to have final say on the invite and try our best to "accommodate" our parents list as best as we could.

    What I did as I had tons of out of country relatives that couldn't make up the mind to come or not since it's so far away in distance and prior to wedding, we don't intend to send out official STDs to people.  We just verbally told all the close families and friends and start asking.  That way we have a more comfortable headcount once they reply.  Then we will send out official invites with the B-Listers.  I know it's not the traditional way to go, but I feel bad if some of the B-Listers find out they are B-Listers. :P

     

     
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    RunsWithBears    September 29, 2012  

    1. Does your FI have a smaller family?  How many of that list do you and your FI get?  45/200 seems kinda low.  I understand your parents are paying, but that seems way lopsided to me.

    2. Everyone who gets a STD must get an invite - even if they say they won't come.  Is she talking about inviting the whole family? Even people not on the guest list?  You're right, you definitely shouldn't invite more than 200 people.  If everyone decides they want to come then you'd be screwed!

    3. Don't do an A and B list.  It's rude and people are bound to find out - how terrible would that be?  I think the only exception to this is if you make new friends after the invites have gone out.  What you could do is not give single guests (ones that are in town and will know other people) plus ones.  And then if you get some RSVP NOs then you can call them up and say they are able to bring a plus one.

     
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    futuremrsfitz18    September 9, 2012   Boston, MA

    I disagree.

    Not only is the B list rude (people will likely find out they were b-listed, even if they're receiving the b list invite a few months before the wedding), but what if a bunch of A lister plans change, and they can come after all?  What are you going to tell them?  "Sorry, we gave your spot to a B list?"

     

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