Post # 1
Aussie Bee here, where, shortly after the Port Arthor Massacre, gun control took on a complete new meaning and nowadays, you cant even buy a steak knife without being ‘passed’ by a staff member.
On the whole, I understand it and although it can be a gigantic pain in the arse when your tryng to by a stanly knife for some DIY (ie: crafty individual that really shouldnt..).
Since that time, shootings have drastically diminished – although, obviously other grevious bodily harm and murders have been commited with other means. Just as awful and often more traumatic. BUT, far less numerous.
I KNOW that anyone can have a gun here given the money and contacts but the law is always there too, and very seriously.
So in the states (some states), it seems that many people hold their view of a right to arms in an almost fanatical position to protect their property and loved ones.
Fair enough. And I DO understand this, I would give my right arm to have a bazooka handy if any bastard threatened my kids. HOWEVER, I also am of the opinion that once certain weapons come into play, the more serious the weapon, the more serious the outcome whether its optimal or not.
Would LOVE to hear opinions on this, NOT to sling shit at fellow Bees so bugger off if anyone wants to be outright mean.
Can any Bee’s give me some insight here? thanks babes
Post # 3
By the way, Ive had 2 more wines than I shouldve tonight, so pretty please forgive my typo’s, pronunctiation (see?) and general blathering.
Post # 4
I personally believe that you can’t impinge on the right of someone to have a gun, but I thoroughly support increased screenings and bans on certain types of weapons. There is no reason for someone to own an assault rifle for “protection” (outside of the military and police, of course). I think that there needs to be a more comprehensive background check process, but I think any effort to ban guns in the U.S. would fail miserably and have more dire consequences. If you ban guns, law-abiding citizens would begrudgingly turn in their weapons, while criminals would conceal them, thus making more bad guys have weapons while very few good guys did. It’s just a circular problem.
Some people are incredibly fanatical about it, but there are a lot of gun-toting people who aren’t as crazy. A friend of mine (former Marine, gun safety instructor, collector, and regular shooter) believes there should be a national registry and random safety inspections carried out by police. It was a breath of fresh air to hear a gun enthusiast have such open opinions. Granted, it wouldn’t ever happen, but it was still refreshing.
FWIW, I have no gun and no intention of ever owning one.
Post # 5
@undercoverjoan: DH is a hobby collector. He has around 10 guns and we go shooting at the gun range occassionally. It’s a lot of fun. Most of his are antiques though or have been passed down to him. He would go hunting if he had the time too. He has guns available if we are even in danger around our house but not out in public. He isn’t one of those people who has to have one on him at all times though. He used to have a conceal carry permit but that has expired and he doesn’t plan on renewing it. Just because he has guns doesn’t mean he’s going to go shoot people.
One of my co-workers’ fiance is a police officer and he feels like he has to have one on him at all times. Now I think that’s weird. He won’t go on a cruise because he can’t imagine being without a gun for that long.
There’s nothing wrong with owning guns as long as you are responsible and do it legally.
ETA: Even though we live in NC, DH is not a “redneck.” He’s from NYC and just loves owning and collecting guns. He has even taken me to a gun show (OMG so freaking boring).
Post # 6
@undercoverjoan: This is one of those topics that can get nasty LoL
I have quite a few friends that would disagree with me, so I just don’t bring it up. But these friends use guns for pleasure, target practice, hunting…and however else you use guns for fun
I feel like when people sell guns, you never know who you are selling them too. The person buying them may be fine, but that person might have a son/daughter/nephew/niece who is a little off and use it in a way that the gun shouldn’t be used. IMHO, I feel the only people who should have guns are Law Enforcement, and even that worries me because what if that Police office has a son/daughter/nephew/niece who might be a little off. So I mean we are never really going to be safe.
On top of that, there is always going to be someone who knows someone who can get their hands on guns to be sold in the black market.
Its like drugs, they are illegal but people still get their hands on it!
Post # 7
I own a gun, my FI owns a gun, my brother owns multiple guns, my father owns multiple guns, etc…I don’t see anything wrong with owning a gun as long as you legally obtained it. However, I’m not fanatical about it. I don’t like that some people think that I shouldn’t be allowed to own one because I see that as a personal preference. But I’m not gonna get all up in arms about it. I just say “to each their own” and leave it at that.
Post # 8
Well.. I’m Canadian.. so gun ownership is an insane concept to me. It’s so completely illogical to me.
Post # 9
@abbie017: This is not meant to sound nasty, it’s just something about American culture I have never understood – why do people have a right to a gun?
Post # 10
@abbie017: +1 on everything you said.
Yes, there are fanatical people and like with everything else (politics, religion, etc) those are the people you mostly see because they are ridiculously passionate and vocal about it. They’re crazy. But that small portion of people do not represent gun owners as a whole, just like liberal and conservative extremists don’t really define the rest of us ‘normal’ people walking around.
I have a gun. I am also a law abiding citizen and have never gotten so much as a parking ticket. I believe I have the right to defend myself if someone breaks into my house.
Post # 11
@sangriiia: People have the right to own guns in the United States because the British did not allow them the Right to Bear Arms. The British were trying to keep them from rebelling. Obviously, that didn’t work out. It was so bad that we have the Right to Bear Arms as part of the Bill of Rights in our Constitution. To take away this right is to take away a fundamental right to American citizens.
ETA: Also, when the Constitution was written, people were still suspicious of organized governments. They did not want their rights taken away again. That part of the Bill of Rights was to ensure that if the govenment became corrupt again, there would be a way to rebel and they did rebel again.
Post # 12
I would like to see a world where people are psychologically checked out before buying guns. And many states do! But there are plenty of states that don’t.
Also, lock up your freaking guns and make sure your kids can’t find the keys!And make sure your guns are never, ever loaded until you’re ready to use them!
Post # 13
Please please PLEASE Bee’s no nastiness on this one, I sure that if we’re all old enough to marry (or be frigging WAITING to be), then we’r old enough to listen to one and others cultures and beliefs. because essentially, thats precisley what it is.
Post # 14
@sangriiia: It’s part of our Bill of Rights: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Part of the reasoning, as I understand it, was to give the people the ability to resist/prevent a dictatorship – historically, many oppressive governments started their takeover by denying the general public access to weapons.
Post # 15
@MRSsrm85: I understand that it’s a constitutional right, but I guess what I was trying to say is that I don’t understand why people consider it to be a fundamental right. It’s just a huge cultural difference and I don’t see the importance of owning a gun, or why I would consider it a fundamental right.
Post # 16
@sangriiia: I edited and updated my post.