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    chelseamorning    November 1, 2008   Washington, DC/Atlanta

    I've often thought that Weddingbee offers a pretty biased sample of what it's like to live together before marriage---almost everyone on here is happily engaged or married, and many of us (I would venture a majority, even) lived together beforehand, leading to a general opinion that living together is a great precursor to engagement and marriage. 

    But I really believe that we are the success stories, and that out there is a great big world of failed cohabitations and divorces that would have been avoided if the parties hadn't been living together before engagement. To me, cohabitation makes it easier to say yes to marriage, even when "yes" isn't the right answer. I wouldn't want to take that chance, but others' opinions may differ.

    For example, my husband lived with an ex-girlfriend before he ever met me. He had moved to a new state for a job after college, and she soon thereafter followed him there to be with him, and to avoid the monetary cost and aggravation of her getting  her own place, she moved in with him. They were together 3 years and he thought he was going to eventually propose and marry her for sure. But their relationship went bust and she turned out to be crazy. It culminated in him changing his locks, calling the police to get her to stop harrassing him, and nearly getting a restraining order. I don't think he would have stayed so long with her if they hadn't been living together. Cohabitation made it harder to break up even when breaking up is what they needed to do. I know he regrets living with her, but they didn't really take the decision very seriously either. 

    What negative experiences with cohabitation have you seen or had? When it became clear the relationship wasn't going to work, how did cohabitation impact the relationship? Did you (or they) regret cohabiting in these situations? 

     
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    RecessionistaBride    January 28, 2012  

    I've never lived with another man, but my FI lived with his ex-gf for 3 years as well. After 4 months of living with him, she stopped working & relied on him for everything. She had Type 1 diabetes & he supported her medical needs as well. He said the relationship was over by the end of the first year, but didn't know how to get rid of her without leaving her completely stuck! He thought she'd actually die without his financial support. (okay..) 

    I agree completely that a lot of people wouldn't have stayed together as long as they did had they not lived together. It's hard to disconnect & uproot your life like that....

    Good topic. I'm interested to see the results!

     
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    kdlowery    6/5/2010   Joplin

    I lived with an ex before meeting my FH.  I thought he was "the one" and we moved in with another friend so that we could save money.  We figured since we all went to the same school and knew each other really well it was the best plan.  Well somewhere during the summer we grew apart.  I didnt want to kick him out since it was like a week before classes started so we lived together even after the break up nd just avoided each other as much as we could.  I moved out, met my current man and am now living happily ever after.... 

    i dont regret living with anyone that i have lived with in the past.  All the experiences have made me who I am today and they were experiences that made me grow up. 

     
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    ejs4y8    June 20, 2009  

    I haven't (i did live with 46 girls in college tho...DRAMA!) but I know many people for whom it didn't work out. Such is life, and no matter what, you're taking a leap of faith that it will work out.

     
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    mambinki    October 17, 2009   Seattle, WA

    Oh *shiver* I just mentioned this on another post today! I agree with you Chelsea.  Living together can be a tough thing and it doesn't always work out. 

    My FI is amazing and we have a great living situation in our little city apartment and our cute cats.  However, I've lived with THREE boyfriends in the past (I'm 31) and they were all awful situations, utterly heinous breakups!  During the first one, I nearly had to file for a restrained order.  During the second one, I had moved across the country with the guy, we had been engaged and our wedding called off and we had accrued a ton of debt and I could go on and on.  The third one (yeah you think I would have learned) he just snapped and left, moving across the country to be with his old high school sweetheart and left a BUNCH of crap behind that I had to go through and either sell or give away while I quickly found a new roommate, since life in Seattle ain't cheap.  Cohabitating made ALL of these situations more difficult, because you don't just have the emotional turmoil of a break-up, but you are also having to deal with money, objects, sometimes even pets! 

    So those situations SUCKED.  But I had no idea they would have ended up like that.  I really had to learn the hard way what I was looking for in a partner.  Once I met my now-FI, I could hardly believe it.  He's mature, respectful and kind.  But, I also had to set some limits about cohabitating, such was my fear about sharing a lease after those past situations.  He was understanding and we didn't move in together until we had decided we wanteed to be engaged, although we did move to the same neighborhood so it would be easier to see one another regularly. 

    I don't regret the situations because they brought me to where I am now.  I had a lot of learn about what a healthy relationship is.  I was in a pattern of choosing very unstable partners and had to learn to channel the desire to care for others into different areas of my life, rather than into my relationship.  Now I know that it is normal to care for someone and help them through hard times sometimes, but they need to be able to sometimes take the wheel as well when I'm having a hard time!  My FI and I do this and it feels very balanced.  Like I said, it took some big life lessons to get to this point.  All the more reason to enjoy it!     

     
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    Bear9206    7/4/09  

    I lived with my ex that I had before my now FH for about 2 years. We were madly in love, but also I was 23 and very naive (sp?) lets just say. When I met my ex I had been out of a very long, disfunctional to say the least 2 yr relationship for about 6 months and thought I knew what I wanted. When we moved in we had the conversation of marriage and kids and he told me that he could not wait to marry me and have our own family. He admitted at first before he met that he never wanted to marry again after his last disaster. See, he was 30 at the time I started dating him and in the previous year he dated a girl for 2 mths, they flew to Vegas, got married, he almost adopted her kids, then she went crazy (at least thats his story, I never really did get the whole story) she left , cleaned out the bank accounts and they were seperated and filing for divorce after about 4 months of marriage. Needless to say his divorce was finalized a month before I met him which I did not know until I was with him for about a month and at that point I was head over heals and did not care. After all that though he said, he knew when he met me that his mind was changed on marriage. Yea right!

    So fast forward a little over a year, all of his friends are married and we are all like family, literally spending 5-6 days a week with each other, I am in school full time trying to get my degree which was the way when we met and his succeding in his job. Well then his best freinds start to talk about how they are miserable in their marriages, feel trapped, cant wait to have "kitchen passes", if you dont know what that means, thats basically a pass to go out and play when the wife is away. Whatever. Slowly his opionions change not because he is not in love with me but because of his friends lives. Well this turns out bad and basically when I turned 25 and was less than a year from graduation from nursing school he asked if I would be ok not getting married or having kids, just being togethor. I told him I had to think about it as it was always a dream of mine and really I was beginning to wonder at the same time if he was the one for me. Well he started to act different after that and needless and to wrap this up he ended up cheating on me and we broke up. He stated after we broke up he felt he was going through a minimidlife crisis and felt bad for the way he treated me. Yes he could have had more tact and respect but honestly I realized I loved him, but was not in love with and knew he was not the one but it still hurt to go through that. Funny thing is not only did he cheat on me but then he cheated on me and the girl he cheated on me with a girl from work. Um, do you think I am happy?! Glad I didnt pick that! Neither of the 2 girls ever did know about each other!

    We broke up 4 years ago and I am happily with the man of my dreams getting married in 2 weeks and he is still single and playing the field while all of his friends have worked on their marriages and have kids. So yes sometimes living togethor does not work out but sometimes its for the best!

     
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    Bear9206    7/4/09  

    Sorry that was long! This living togethor talk is the talk of the day! And I am seriously bored at work! LOL!

     
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    MsAnnaLytical    March 13, 2010   Orlando, FL--finally with my FI!

    Ooh, good points, ladies. I just moved in with my fiance (and his parents, who are entirely cool and amazing- lucky me, getting such great in-laws!) and so far, it's been wonderful. We've thoroughly enjoyed the domesticity of living together and not being in a long-distance relationship anymore...hallelujah!

    We bought this book called 1000 Questions to Ask Before You Get Married. I highly recommend it. It divides the questions up into 50 or so different categories and is such a great starting point for conversations that need to be had, but are sometimes hard to discuss. We got to the living-together section and it asked questions like, "Who will move out if you break up?" and "How will divide bills such as utilities, rent, etc?" and "Whose stuff will go into storage?" We were going, "Whoa...we never really thought about this stuff before." They were hard questions to answer, because when you're in love and in the honeymoon phase, breaking up is such a foreign, almost taboo subject that I'd be willing to say 90% of couples avoid entirely. But it was refreshing to get all that out in the open, even if it was depressing!

     
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    minneapolitan    11/7/2009   Minneapolis, MN

    I never lived with anyone before my FI (neither did he) so I don't have any personal horror stories of my own.  But my middle sister has this miserable ongoing experience... late last fall she started dating a friend of a friend and after a VERY short period of time, she let him move into the house they were renting.  Almost immediately things just were terrible - drama all the time, he was super inconsiderate, she'd go over to our parents house or our apartment just to get away from her own home, etc etc.  They broke up and made up like three times now.  It took FOREVER after she broke up with him the last time  for him to get all of his stuff out of the house.  He wasn't taking her seriously and I kept telling her that SHE needed to start packing his stuff up while he's gone, otherwise he'll just keep hanging around. 

    She did, and eventually he had finally moved completely out.  But then, she started dating him again recently anyway.  *sigh*  At least this time she's totally opposed to having him move in again but I have no idea why she's gone back.   I've just been crossing my fingers that she keeps her head on her shoulders... haha.

     
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    maryjane    September 9, 2009   Grand Forks, ND

    I did! and so has Mr. MJ.

    Without going in to personal details,I will say that it is MUCH more difficult to end a relationship with someone you live with than it is with someone you don't. You are inclined to stick around (trying to make it work) for far longer than you probably should. It can become unhealthy and sad.

    Then there's the period of stuff-finding. You cannot cleanly cut ties with the ex because when you moved out (or when he did), you forgot some of your stuff there. Or you accidentally took some of his. Or you stumbled across something that you know is important to that person and you have to contact him to give it back. There's a 6 month+ timespan when you're dealing with receiving that person's mail, or getting mail-order catalogues that you only get because you bought a gift for that person a long time ago.  (Example: we still receive a mail order catalog that sells something neither of us are in to (but an ex was). Every time we get that catalogue, we're reminded. (And yes I know I could just call them and tell them to stop sending it. I'm lazy. Have you ever lived together and had it not work out? :  wedding cohabitation relationship living together Icon Wink)) If you were splitting your bills, you have to unsplit them. If your bills/budget is based on two incomes, you have to find a way to make it work alone (which may involve drastically changing your lifestyle).

    As others have said, I don't regret these situations because they've taught me a LOT about myself and how I function as part of a team, including what works and what doesn't at home.

     
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    I lived with an ex boyfriend of mine and we eventually broke up. But we are still great friends and he's coming to my wedding. I don't think that living together either prolonged or prematurely terminated our relationship.

    We were young, 23, when we moved in and while we loved each other very much, we just didn't have the same priorities for life as we grew older. And when we made the decision to move in together neither of us had any illusions that we would eventually end up married. We suspected that eventually our different life goals would force us apart. We agreed just to take it one day at a time and have fun together for as long as possible.

    I have no regrets about the decision to live together. I have no regrets about the relationship. In fact, I'd say I'm really glad we lived together, because it made us both sure that while we cared for each other tremendously, we could never spend the rest of our lives married.

    And later when I moved in with the boyfriend who is now my fiance, I think I was better prepared for overcoming the struggles of living with someone. It is a major adjustment to go from dating someone to sharing your personal space with them all the time. I was much better prepared the second time and it caused very little stress on our relationship.

    Personally, I would never, ever even consider getting engaged to someone if we hadn't lived together for at least a year. I know that isn't right for everyone, but I just don't see it as a very big deal to have a live-in relationship not work out. I would say at least 50 percent of my friends lived with a different SO before eventually living with their husbands/wives/fiances. It's the only way to know for sure that you are truly compatibe, in my mind.

     
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    Ms. Guava-Tini    October 10, 2009   Miami, Florida

    I did live with someone a few years before meeting my FH for about a year. Crappy thing was it didnt work out about eight months into it & we were stuck living together during the breakup (Yes, it was like that Jennifer Aniston movie LOL) He started dating someone else and everything. I stayed there b/c I was working close by and it would have been too far from my parents house to commute to work & I had just started LSAT prep courses in the area as well. It was really hard & probably the unhealthiest part of my life. I refused to continue paying rent and give him a bachelor pad LOL - Anyways, it really taught me alot and did make me hesitate and truly and strongly consider moving in with my FH - FH knew all about it & totally understood - he too had been through a failed relationship (even worse a failed marriage) Ironic thing is, once i finally moved out (when lease expired) and into my parents home & I then had to find another job b/c the office was relocating even further North and I just couldnt take the commute - I found a job - AND POOF - My FH was my boss & the rest is history.

     I think people who go through bad situations like that  appreciate the fabulous situations we are in as engaged/married/committed happy individuals more. The sweet is not so sweet without the sour. I learned and growed from my situation and so did my FH from his - and it has helped make us the couple we are today (finally living together and walking down the aisle in four months) :)

     
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    I never would have thought of it this way!  At first I thought you were saying that cohabitation makes relationships fail.  But actually, it just makes it harder to ADMIT that the relationship has ALREADY failed!  You are SO RIGHT!  My ex and I lived together for 4 years, and of course we assumed we would end up married and all.  But in reality he was abusive and I had LONG SINCE emotionally detached from the relationship, but I had a hard time admitting it to myself.  I had a harder time ACTING on it when I finally DID admit it, because he had bought a house that I was paying 1/2 the mortgage for!!  So I guess that I totally agree, cohabitation makes breaking up WAY HARDER and also makes it a MUCH messier breakup!  As opposed to waiting until AFTER you are married and you already KNOW you will be together for life.  Great topic!

     
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    FromCtoV    October 18, 2009   North Carolina

    Hi ladies - I just saw this topic and it caught my eye. I don't have any experience with living with a boyfriend or fiance, as my fiance and I both agree we're not going to start acting married before we're married, including sex and living together. I realize it's not a common stance these days, but it's what we believe is right.

    However, even if that wasn't our belief, I think the numbers themselves would be enough to scare us out of living with one another. I'm reading a book on marriage statistics right now, and just finished a chapter with some scary numbers from 1998 (I'm guessing it's probably even worse now, but who knows).

    -Only about 1/6 of live-in relationships last 3 years and only 1/10 endure five or more years.

    -Living together before marriage doubles the risk of divorce after marriage, and the risk of abuse for women in a co-habitating relationship is also double that of married women.

    -Couples who live together first are more likely to have an affair during marriage than those who don't.

    So, not to say it can't work out for those who choose to live with their boyfriend or fiance ahead of time, but if a marriage that lasts forever is the goal, the stats seem to say living together before getting married is not a good means to that end. I'd love to see the trend reversed and couples happily married forever!

     
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    ilovenycmissie    September 2009   nyc

    I've never lived with anyone neither has my fiance; we are living together virgins

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    spaniel    March 2010   Los Angeles, CA

    I lived with an ex right after graduating college, two years before I met my fiance. Obviously it didn't work out :). We moved to his hometown where I knew no one and couldn't find a decent job, while he worked for his brother's construction company (secure and well-paid!). I took a really crappy job that paid just slightly over minimum-wage so that I could at least pull my weight with our expenses, but after working nineteen days in a row (never more than five hours per shift, so I still wasn't actually making any money) and he made plans to hang out with his guy friends on my first night off in almost three weeks, I decided I'd had enough. (This was on top of his taking our only parking spot when he got home on nights when he knew I'd be working a late shift, eating the last of my waffles, and other small signs of inconsiderateness that started to add up.)

    Funny thing, it lasted only six weeks! I realized I needed to be closer to my family and not sacrifice so many things (proximity to family, friends, JOBS) for a guy I'd already had doubts about. So my conclusion was just to make sure I didn't have any doubts. :) D and I are moving in together next month, after three and a half years of dating (and after being engaged for nine months already), and this time I think I'm doing the right thing.

     
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    Chantellamus    October 15, 2009  

    I don't have experience with that but....

    My FSIL rented a place together with her BF - then moved OUT 3 weeks later, only to have him have to move out cause he couldnt afford rent. then hated one another because of everything they went through, dated off and on for about 2-3 years and are now back together, engaged, living together (in HER house) and just bought their own place together...wowie!

     
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    I lived with someone for 4 years and dated for 6 years before I met my fiance. My fiance never lived with another woman, nor did he ever have a girlfriend serious enough to even consider living with.

    I had a very bad experience living with my ex. Our relationship was over at least three years before I moved out, but I was trapped. I know it's cliche, but I felt like I had put so much effort in and given so much time that something was bound to work. I refused to quit. And then when we did try to end it I had no where to go, it was miserable. We had moved for his job to a location where I would not choose to live on my own. I looked for a job elsewhere for over a year with no luck and then finally went to law school, which I ended up absolutely loving. Three years of student loans later it was an extraordinarily expensive break-up!

    Had I not had such a difficult time getting out I would not have gone to law school, would not have ended up in the city where I did, and would not have met my fiance. So in the end, I'm grateful things worked out as they did. However, I absolutely refused to move anywhere with my fiance until he proposed. We lived 2500 miles apart for two years. We're living together now and have our ups and downs over the past year under the same roof, but it's completely different. The commitment level is 100%. We both put significant time into deciding whether we were right for each other before getting engaged.

    Everyone and every situation is different so it's hard to learn from someone else's mistakes. But moving in with someone without a ring or a wedding band is not something to be taken lightly. I hate to be negative so when asked, I try not to advise people against moving in with each other. I just advise that before they do, they take a long hard look at other other person and only move forward if they're 99% sure it's the person they want to be with forever.

     
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    Oh and Miss Mary Jane - from time to time I still think "where the heck is my..." and remember that I probably left it behind. And when my old company was sold and my stock options vested the check was sent to my ex's house. When it expired 90 days later I was more than a little pissed that he didn't forward it to me (he said he "thought it was junk mail") and more than a little frustrated with the process of having it reissued.

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    Mrs. Spring    May 10, 2009   California

    @ FromCToV - If you are interested in this topic, you might want to look into some books or scholarly papers that explore cohabitating homosexual couples, heterosexual cohabitating couples who never marry, and statistics from outside the US.  I have some recommendations, but since most of them are from sociological journals and scholarly papers, they might be difficult to find.  Anway, there are a lot of interesting studies out there, but if you are interested in straight statistics, the ones you are referring to almost all come from studies done on heterosexual couples from America (or North America) who thought the relationship would (eventually) lead to marriage.

    In general, while I agree with chelseamorning that there is a disproportionately large number of people on weddingbee who are the "success stories" of premarital cohabitation, I think it should be expected because this is a wedding website.  WB probably also has a disproportionately low number of people on it who experience divorce or widowing (though the Encore board is bringing that number up.  woot!) or of couples just starting dating who haven't thought about marriage yet, or of couples who have been married for more than five years, or of couples who believe in domestic partnership as an alternative to marriage, etc...  I think there is a certain demographic that is attracted to this website that kinda "skews the numbers." 

     
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    Mrs. Spring is right in saying that a lot of those studies are done on couples who thought that moving in together would lead to marriage. This may not sound like much of a skew, but it really is a huge one. There are plenty of couples who live together with no intent of ever marrying, because they don't believe in/support the institution of marriage. There are others -- like myself and my ex -- who don't have any intention of marrying each other, but were open to marrying someone else someday. And, of course, those studies leave out homosexual couples entirely.

     
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    TheMapChick    July 2009   Washington DC

    I learned a lot about myself from the year I spent living with my ex. Looking back I realize that I was young and naive and had a lot of growing up to do before I could really commit to someone. I convinced him it was a good idea because I thought it would fix the problems we had. Of course it only made them worse but I was too young to realize that is what would happen. It wasn't a clean break what-so-ever, we still, 6 years later completely ignore each other if we end up in the same room (we're in the same specialized degree field). I don't regret it though. If I had it to do over I wouldn't have lived with him, however, in the end it made me a stronger person. One of his big things was belittleing my self-confidence but as a result I am a much stronger and confident person now. Still I have photographs of my parent's dining room (thank goodness they lived close) jam-packed with all my personal belongings after I moved out and tried to get back on my own two feet.

    Fast forward to two years ago. My fiance, then boyfriend, and I made the decision to move in together. Being older and wiser, I was much more confident that this was a good choice for us. Going into it we had this comfortableness that I never had with the ex as well as the ability to talk about things like adults. I knew at that time I wanted to marry him and I knew he would want to make sure we would be compatible as housemates before taking the next plunge.

    Living together before marriage isn't for everyone and it's definitely not something that should be seen as a way to "fix" things like I did the first time. I definitely put a lot more thought into it the second time around and fortunately it has worked out wonderfully.

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    chelseamorning    November 1, 2008   Washington, DC/Atlanta

    I wanted to clarify my original intent in asking whether anyone regretted living with an ex when it didn't work out. Regret is the wrong word. No one likes to regret things about their lives; our experiences make us who we are, of course. It is more a question of doing things differently if you could (something that runningbee and themapchick and others alluded to) or the next time around. 

    A better way to put it would be, if you had a cohabitation experience that didn't work out,  did you approach cohabitation differently when the opportunity came around again?

     

    Also, @MightySapphire---you are exactly right about what I was going for! I was not trying to imply in any way that cohabitation makes relationships fail (or succeed). I was more trying to investigate how it impacts the preexisting trajectory of relationships.  

     
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    bellenga    July 31, 2010   Georgia

    I did.  I was married to my xh and obviously that didn't work out.  We never lived together before though.  Most likely T and I will only move in together right before we get married.

     

     
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    lisalulu    September 19, 2009   Santa Barbara,CA

    I lived with someone for a little bit: we were already roommates, then we hooked up, 2 months later then we got our own place because we lived in a ghetto student dump, then within 2 months, I moved out. It did not work. He's a good guy, but I was not compatible with his moods.

    The other time it didn't work out was my fiance! :) We lived together for a year! Then work took me to another town so we met up on the weekends and eventually the stress of distance (and other things) got to us and we broke up. But I didn't like living together. He didn't want to get married! He had it all! We stayed broken up for a year and then he came back and said, "Just come back." I said, "I'd have to be engaged." He said, "Then we'll get engaged." Not a romantic proposal, but at least I could tell he was serious. We didn't get all the way back together then...we broke up again! The third times the charm. We got back together, he got me my ideal ring, great proposal, and we are getting married from a five month engagement! :) 

    But I said that I would never live with another man again after I moved out of my FI's place. It's too volatile. When you haven't made a commitment, I feel that comprimise comes slower. There's this "I can leave at any time" attitude in the air. Also, if you aren't "sure", you shouldn't be giving up all of your freedom to live with a man and they with you. 

    But whatever, everyone has their own path. But ironically, I would tell my daughter not to live with a man just like my mother did with me. But I was stubborn and didn't listen and considered my mother naive because she followed the straight and narrow path. Yet she knew...you gotta really love a man to be near him that often...

     

     

     
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    Mrs. DG    July 18, 2009   Seattle/Tahoe

    Neither fiance or I have lived with someone else before now.  I did have an ex who kept his stuff in my place while he lived in London for work.  Even that was stressful for me... but before fiance, I was a complete committment-a-phobe.

     
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    MsAnnaLytical    March 13, 2010   Orlando, FL--finally with my FI!

    Food for thought- For those of you who have said you lived with someone and it didn't work out, do you think that if you had NOT lived together and continued dating, would you have married that person? Or was it ultimately better that you lived with them and realized BECAUSE of that experience that that person was not the right one for you?

    I ask because I always interpreted the typically negatively perceived statistic of "Only about 1/6 of live-in relationships last 3 years and only 1/10 endure five or more years" (taken from above from FromCtoV) to mean that those relationships would not have lasted regardless, and perhaps living together forced them into a place where one or the other person realized...this isn't working. We're not right for each other.

    This is kind of a tangent, but I think it's worth considering.

     
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    Mrs. DG    July 18, 2009   Seattle/Tahoe

    Adding to Ms. Analytical's point, I think the question could just as easily be asked: have you ever had a relationship that didn't work out?  Period.   The fact is that it is hard to find that right person in general.  Most dating relationships don't work out, regardless of whether you are living together or not... and there is a "great big world" of failed relationships in general.  It's hard to flesh out whether it is "due to" living together or not.  I dated several guys seriously before I got it right this time.

    At least one of my break ups was as disasterous as could possibly be imagined even though we weren't living together.  It would have been difficult to make the argument that living together could have possibly made it any worse.  Trust me, crazy can happen whether or not you are living together, and the fact was that I still wanted to change my locks etc.  despite the fact that he didn't live with me.

    The point is that it doesn't take living together to have badness happen.  It can happen regardless of the living situation, and it is impossible to know whether things are made worse because of it, since each individual relationship doesn't have a perfectly matched control group.

     
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    TheMapChick    July 2009   Washington DC

    @doctorgirl - You make an excellent point. I like to think that I would have figured out that my ex was not the person I was meant to marry even if we didn't move in together but cohabitating definitely helped me reach that conclusion faster than I would have otherwise. After him I had a more brief but even more dysfunctional relationship with someone who was the biggest male version of a drama queen I have ever met. That relationship (and I use that term loosely) started out well because it seemed so completely different than the previous one but in the end it crashed and burned even more intensely despite not living together. I think you are correct in your statement that it is impossible to know whether things are worse because of cohabitating. This is, of course, just my opinion based on my own personal experience.

     
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    PandasWifey    September 26, 2009   Denver, Colorado

    MsAnn I have always dismissed those studies that suggest couples who live together before marriage have lower long-term marriage success rates. I don't think any of those studies could possibly take into consideration ALL the couples who have lived together and never got married at all bc they realized they couldn't cohabitate or learned something they don't like about the other person.

    Try hiding the fact you're an alcoholic when you live together, or try hiding your gambling problem until you are splitting the bills? I say, you really can't be confident you know the person you're marrying well enough until you live together. I'm all about making the EDUCATED decision.

    How many divorces must have been avoided due to couples finding out their relationships aren't going to work before even getting married thanks to living together??? All the studies I've seen only look at couples who lived together then got married versus couples who didn't live together at all before marriage, completely leaving out those who lived together and never got married. The study is a bunch a worthless doody if you ask me.

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    Bear9206    7/4/09  

    To agree with another pp, I do not beleive stats, especially ones from 1998, we are almost into a new decade putting that 2 decades past. People who do surveys often times do not expand their geographic region and you have no idea how many couples where studied doing that. My thing is now adays, where people get divorced for so many stupid things, irreconciable differences? How could you not want to know the person you are with more?

    Relationships succeed and fail no matter what the living situation is and I never question what if, as I am a person who beleives our path is chosen for us. Just because you live togethor or dont live togethor does not make one or the other any more prepared for marriage or fireproof from divorce. Its what you do in your marriage that determines that. Nothing can possibly prepare you for everything you are going to endure in your marriage.

     
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    West Coast Bride    May 16, 2009   Vancouver Island, British Columbia

    Sometimes I think people really focus too much on what "practical" steps lead to a successful relationship rather than discussing qualities like whether the relationship had good communication, emotional connectedness, selflessness, loyalty  etc etc.   

    I moved in with my husband because we wanted to be in a committed long-term domestic partnership and weren't sure if marriage was for us, ever.  Our commitment to each other naturally progressed and each step of our relationship was always about our sense of "readiness" as a couple and nothing else.  I can't really imagine taking any big steps with a partner without open communication about our relationship's challenges, succeses and quirks in relation to those steps.  IMO, honesty and openness about your relationship as a living thing you maintain together with great care is important in any long-term relationship.  I really think it's hard to make a "wrong" decision for your relationship if you approach it this way. 

     

     
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    mambinki    October 17, 2009   Seattle, WA

    A better way to put it would be, if you had a cohabitation experience that didn't work out,  did you approach cohabitation differently when the opportunity came around again?

    Chelseamorning- I like the way that this is reworded.  Since i had to go through the cohabitation disasters THREE TIMES to get it through my thick skull that it isn't to be taken lightly, I approached living together in a much different way with my FI.  He started talkign about moving in together quite a while ago, to which I said "Nope.  Not until we're either married or set on getting married".  While it felt weird to draw such a fine line, and we talked about it A LOT, I explained to him that we needed to wait until we were really ready enough because it is such a big step.  I didn't want to rush into it too quickly with him, enjoy the dating stage, and then move in when it really felt like time.  As it turned out, by the time I decided I was READY to move in with him, he ended up being READY to propose, it all fell right into place.  Now we're living together and it has been great.  I'm glad we waited a while. 

    Yes and MsAnna and doctorgirl, it is right on- sometimes things just DON'T work out with people, living together or not!  I think we can learn a lot about someone by living with them.  BUT sometimes things just don't work out.  I really feel that part of the reason it works well with my relationship now is because I KNOW what I want and feel happy.  While my past relationships failed because the person wasn't a good match for me, I also didn't know what I wanted and was confused about things in general.  I think that is a big part of the reason why many relationships fail- we put so much stock in someone else 'making' us happy that we forget we can find that happiness within ourselves and that just helps us know and recognize what aligns with our visions for life- including the kind of partner we want. 

     

     
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    Bamboo    June 2010   Midwest


    FromCtoV: Those statistics are scary, but they are just that. Plus I think its important to remember that correlation is not the same as causation. That is to say, those statistics don't prove living together before marriage will cause your marriage to fail. There could be any number of contributing factors...

     
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    Soon2BeMrsCLW3    July 31, 2010  

    i lived with my ex boyfriend/ ex fiance.  at the time, we were dating, and among other things, our relationship took off pretty quickly..after a few months of living with him (in his house) , i realized that i really didnt want to be with him anymore, but it was SO hard to move out.  i kept stringing along the relationship, despite my depressed mood toward the whole thing, and he must have sensed it bc out of nowhere, he proposed to me.  before this point, we hadnt talked about marriage.  one day, he took me to look at rings and a few days later, bam! there was a nice Jared princess cut on my finger.  but anyway, he proposed, and i accepted (naively!!!) thinking that maybe getting married to him would make me eventually really truly love him... i know this sounds effed up, but there was ALOT of other stuff going on that id rather not get into.  The net result, I FINALLY got up the courage to move out and end it, 2 months after our engagement. 

    My boyfriend (very soon to be fiancee/soon to be husband!!!!) and I fell HARD for each other, but despite that,from jump  we were HELL BENT against living together while dating.  He had a crazy past with his ex, so thankfully we were on the same page with not living together.  He has his own condo, and he does stay over my place like 99% of the time, but there is that "We have our separate addresses" for now thing, which has made both of us very comfortable and let us know that we have our own space when /if needed.  (VERY much needed early on in the relationship with some of our arguments!!!! Now referred to as the REALLY Getting to Know Eachother Arguments...lol)

    We have come to agree that I will make "the move" into his place within 6 months of the official wedding date, which we are both happy and comfortable with. 

     But back to the ex, it was the HARDEST thing to muster up the courage to break up and move out!  But i was so unhappy and depressed with the thought of being in a relationship with him, it was seriously the best thing.  We ended up stringing along the relationship for about 4 months before the break was done.  I honestly think that living with him really put a spot light on the fact that our relationship progressed WAY too fast for me, and let me see that i truly didnt want to be with him. 

     
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    peanutlovespumpkin    9-18-10   Los Angeles

     I am of a liberal mindset, as is my fiance, and we live in a large coastal liberal city where it is the norm for educated couples to live together before marriage.  I am a firm believer in living together before marriage, because you never truly know someone unless you're with them 24-7.  In the past, it was sort of expected that the woman would "make the marriage work" by catering to the man's needs, but in modern relationships where the man and woman see themselves as equals we need to make sure we are truly compatible.  Breaking up sucks no matter what - Yes, the break-up stories for co-inhabitant non-married relationships are awful, but imagine how much more awful they would be if a legal divorce were involved in addition to everything else.  What if we had married those horrible guys BEFORE moving in with them, only to discover they are crazy after the wedding and all legal documents are signed?  

     
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    Miss Sapphire    December 2009   Seattle

    My FI and I lived together for over 2 years actually, broke up, moved out, got our own apartments, broke up for about 8 months then started dating again.  Now we're getting married.  Granted us living together was over 4 years ago and it took about 2 years after getting back together to get to the engaged part. 

     

    It takes a lot of work to admit that the relationship isn't working and make that step to move out and move on.  Luckily we're not a stat and we ended up working!

     

    As for people who move in together or buy a home, and are not married, protect yourselves.  I cringe when people buy homes together and they have no legal committment to eachother.  Unfortunatly, people do get screwed over like this.

     
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    I've never lived with a guy because of some of the reasons explained above.  I know myself and I know that I get complacent in relationships that aren't right for me.  (ex. I dated a guy for 3 years when I knew after year 1 that it wasn't going anywhere...that's just lazy!)  I know that if I had the added strain of having to move out/devide stuff/etc it would just be another barrier to making the right choice.

    So I figured that the right choice for me is to not live with anyone until I'm engaged.  At that point we've made the commitment that we never intend to split up.

    That said, the guy and I are citizens of different countries so we'll have to deal with a cross border relationship until we get hitched.  But it's no biggie, I just have to remind myself to enjoy my freedom while I have it!  The precious years between moving out of your parents house and into a marriage/couple house are unique and special. 

     
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    futuremissjp       Texas

    I think it's different for everyone. For me personally, I had a bad experience with living with an ex-boyfriend, and so I will not be moving in with my FH until after we are married. I think you just have to do what works for you! :)

     
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    KateMW    8.30.03   Birmingham

    I lived with my husband before we were married. We'll be married for 6 years in August and haven't started beating each other...yet! Yay! Dodged that bullet. 

    I lived with my ex-boyfriend and no matter is we hadn't, it never would have worked out. We were just a HORRIBLE couple. Good friends, but crappy lovers. Literally and figuratively! ;) 

     

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