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    Ngolden1    August 22, 2010   Albany, NY

    We're having a non-religious ceremony, however we want to incorporate a tradition from both families (my family is Jewish, his is Catholic).  For my side, we are breaking the glass.  The officiant will say something about what it symbolizes, and possiby not refer to religion at all.  We are looking for something comparable on the Catholic side. A symbol would be great, rather than a prayer.  Or if it is a prayer or reading, perhaps one that does not refer to specific aspects of the religion. Any suggestions???

     
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    JessicaL    November 12, 2010   LA

    You could light a unity candle. It's also traditional to give flowers at the end of the cerimony to the mothers/grandmothers.

     
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    Ngolden1    August 22, 2010   Albany, NY

    Thanks for the suggestion! The only problem with a unity candle is that the ceremony is outdoors. Our officiant advised us against lighting a candle (which could be hazardous or blow out). She said in its place, people sometimes do a sand ceremony, however I'm not sure whether this counts as a catholic tradition?

     
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    KLP2010    October 30, 2010  

    Unity Candles actually are typically "forbidden" in Catholic Ceremonies... lol. Definitely a "secular" tradition that's only come around in our parents generation and not a Catholic Tradition.  I've also never seen people give flowers to mothers/grandmothers... and I've seen a LOT of Catholic weddings.

    For the most part, any Catholic traditions really focus around prayer, so I'm not really sure what you could do that wouldn't be "religious." How about having someone sing the Prayer of St. Francis?

    Make me a channel of your peace. Where there is hatred, let me bring your love. Where there is injury, your pardon, Lord, And where there's doubt, true faith in you.

    Verse 2: Make me a channel of your peace. Where there's despair in life, let me bring hope. Where there is darkness only light, And where there's sadness ever joy.

    Refrain: Oh Master, grant that I may never seek So much to be consoled as to console. To be understood as to understand, To be loved as to love with all my soul.

    Verse 3: Make me a channel of your peace. It is in pardoning that we are pardoned; In giving of ourselves that we receive, And in dying that we're born to eternal life.

    Although, this is also Christ focused...

     
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    JessicaL    November 12, 2010   LA

    Unity candles are not forbidden. About 95% of the catholic weddings ive been to have a unity candle. It's your preists decision whether he allows it or not. Which i think is not right.

    @Ngolden1: A sand ceremony is not a catholic tradition. PP is right.. most traditions focus around prayer so you might have to research a little to see what exactly you'd like. Good luck!

     
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    Neva    July 2010  

    Would you consider a rosary belonging to one of his family members (his mother, granmother, etc,) tied into your bouquet?

     

    Help a non-catholic think of a catholic tradition :  wedding catholic religion Bridal Bouquet With Rosary Evoke Photography

     
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    I'm pretty sure our priest is doing a hand tying ceremony which symbolizes the two becoming one. I had not previously thought of this as a Catholic tradition but it was part of the ceremony he presented us.

    Does anyone else have a hand tying part to their Catholic ceremony?

     
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    KLP2010    October 30, 2010  

    @JessicaL: The USCCB has deemed the Unity Candle Faulty Symbolism and most churches now prohibit entirely or recommend not doing it. 

    The Unity Candle is only about 30-40 years old and is not a part of the Rite of Marriage in the Catholic church... 

     

     
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    Ngolden1    August 22, 2010   Albany, NY

    I just googled hand tying ceremony, and I found "hand fasting" ceremony. Is this the same? Anyway, it says its a celtic tradition.

     
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    KLP2010    October 30, 2010  

    @slicey19: It's not common in the US, are you in Europe? I believe it's more traditional there.... although, not sure on any "catholic" roots, either. The only time I've seen something to this effect, is the priest using his stole to tie around their hands, during a blessing. I've only seen this once and it was a Ukrainian Catholic wedding... 

     
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    KLP2010    October 30, 2010  

    JK. I just checked my pics. The stole was on top of their hands which were placed one on top of the other on top of a bible.... 

    The stole's around hands I've seen were in Protestant ceremonies... 

     
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    Neva    July 2010  

    What ethnicity is your husband?  There are certain traditions that are unique to different Catholic communities, i.e., Irish Catholics, Italian Catholics, Mexican Catholics, Polish Catholics, etc.

     
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    JessicaL    November 12, 2010   LA

    @KLP2010: Yes, I know this. My point is that it's every priests decision. Many churches still do it, like mine and the other 10 Catholic weddings I've been to in my area. You just have to check with your church. But the OP ceremony does not seem to be in a church considering they are having an officient and doing jewish traditions too. So Ngolden1 if you wanted to do it, you could.

     
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    Mrs. Louboutin    July 2010  

    A lovely Catholic tradition is that when the ceremony has begun and the mothers of the bride and groom are to be seated, they first go up to the unity candle and light the two outer candles together.  After the couple says their vows, then, they take the two lit outer candles and light the center larger candle together. 

    While the unity candle is something done by many faiths, the tradition of the two mothers lighting the outer candles is something that is done in most Catholic weddings.

    What a wonderful idea to incorporate both of your religions!

     
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    artichokey    June 16, 2012  

    @slicey19:Hand tying is def. NOT a traditional Catholic practice. I have a huge Catholic family and the only time I've ever seen hand tying is at an Episcopalian wedding. As for a Catholic tradition, I was at a Jewish/Catholic non-demonintational ceremony and the Cathloic portion involved a singing of Ave Maria which is beautiful and also the blessing of the guests on the couple (everyone raises their hands to the couple and give their blessing, it can be done in a less-religious way).

     
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    mibee       Boston

    In my opinion Catholic traditions are kind of out of place outside a Mass but if you really want to incorporate something you could try doing your version of a "Sign of Peace" where everyone takes a moment during the ceremony to exchange some sign of peace (a kiss, a handshake, a hug, or simply a nod in recognition) with each other. It's typically a beautiful moment and sign of true unity between those present.

    Q. 1. Why do we have the Sign of Peace during the Holy Mass?

    A. 1. The sign of peace in the Roman Rite significantly placed before Eucharistic communion is a particularly expressive gesture which the faithful are invited to make as a manifestation of the People of God's acceptance of all that has been accomplished in the celebration and of the commitment to mutual love which is made in sharing the one bread, with the demanding words of Christ in mind: "If you are offering your gift at the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, leave your gift there before the altar and go; first be reconciled with your brother, and then come and offer your gift" (Mt 5:23-24).

     
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    ehh5000    August 8, 2009   Williamsburg, VA

    I like mibee's suggestion of the sign of peace!  It is one of my favorite parts of mass, and one of the few that could translate to a non-religious ceremony.

    I had a Catholic wedding (full mass) and unity candles were specifically forbidden.

     

     
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    KLP2010    October 30, 2010  

    @JessicaL: Right, she want's a Catholic Tradition, unity candles are a secular one. It's fine if she does it, but it doesn't fulfill her wants of a way of honoring Catholic Heritage. It's completely secular and has nothing to do with Catholicism, that was my point. Again, unity candles are NOT a part of the Rite of Marriage. Yes, some churches allow them, but they are actually specifically NOT Catholic traditions, they are 100% secular and anyone of any faith or belief uses them. 

     
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    sarahsd    August 14, 2010   San Diego

    I really like the sign of peace too.  I was raised Catholic and that was always one of my favorite parts of mass.

     
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    jillocb    October 16, 2010   Knightdale, NC

    Why don't you add in the Lord's Prayer?  You can't get through a Mass without that in my opinion.  We are doing a ceremony we have built on different aspects.  It is not in a Catholic Church.  We are both Catholic.  We decided to add in the Lord's Prayer and the Catholic vows as our way of tying in the Catholic marriage ceremony.  We are also doing pre-wedding Catholic counseling (precana.)  We will be doing the candle lighting ceremony, as well, with our mothers lighting the side candles.

     
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    gill84    August 28, 2010   Montreal/Halifax, Canada

    Why not use a catholic reading? "Love is patient, love is kind, etc" is from Corinthians. I know lots of religions use the Bible, but it's definitely a reading that's chosen a lot at Catholic ceremonies.

     

    Good luck!

     
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    Ngolden1    August 22, 2010   Albany, NY

    Thanks to all of you! I definately like the idea of the "sign of the peace". I think that's sweet and would be a unique addition to the ceremony. I also like the idea of a reading - as long as it's "subtle" in its religious overtones. We're trying to be sensitive to both sides. Thanks girls!

     
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    Penguingal06    August 21, 2010   Jax

    Just as my personal opinion, I find it rather awkward to try to have some sort of "Catholic" tradition in a non-Catholic setting. I understand wanting to celebrate both partners backgrounds but really, Catholicism isn't the same as Judaism in this respect.

    There are many people that identify themselves as 'culturally' Jewish but you can't call yourself 'culturally' Catholic, it doesn't exist. It boils down to either being Catholic or not. Being a non-praciticing Catholic doesn't make one 'culturally' Catholic, it makes one a lapsed Catholic, but still Catholic. You can't just stop being Catholic by stopping your practice nor can you just call yourself Catholic if you have never received the sacraments.

    Again, I appreciate wanting to give respect and pay tribute to the religious backgrounds, but it rubs me the wrong way to pick and choose and dilute symbols and practices of the Catholic faith. It feels disrespectful and innapropriate to do something just for the sake of doing it rather than truly believing in it.  And yes, I do find having a sign of peace to fall under the umbrella of being innappropriate in this conext. To quote mibee's quote

    "...acceptance of all that has been accomplished in the celebration and of the commitment to mutual love which is made in sharing the one bread..."

    if you aren't actually celebrating the sacrafice of the Mass and the consecration of the host then this is technically not applicable. I think the idea of doing something like the sign of peace at a wedding is a truly lovely idea, but to do it under the pretense of 'doing it because it is Catholic and we want something Catholic' just seems to be inappropriate.

    Again, this is just my opinion. I fully respect you and your right to plan your wedding as you desire. I am positive that you and your guests will be part of a beautiful and meaningful ceremony no matter which path you decide to take. :)

     

     
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    CoffeeHound    January 1, 1991  

    @Penguingal06: I get where you're coming from, but of all of the symbolism that she could use, I think a sign of peace is the least problematic from the perspective you mentioned. 

    If you look at the Rite of Peace in the GIRM (#82): "The Rite of Peace follows, by which the Church asks for peace and unity for herself and for the whole human family, and the faithful express to each other their ecclesial communion and mutual charity before communicating in the Sacrament." 

    So you can see that it's an ecclesiastical act of prayer for the entire human race.  Given that, it seems appropriate.

     
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    Penguingal06    August 21, 2010   Jax

    @CoffeeHound: I agree, it is the least inappropriate. Well that or carrying a rosary with her bouquet. I just can't seem to think of any logical reason why simply carrying the rosary would be inappropriate. Still, no matter what she does I am sure she will have a lovely and meaningful ceremony.

     
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    Ngolden1    August 22, 2010   Albany, NY

    Thanks for the perspective! I can certainly understand where you're coming from, and the differences between cultural and religious practices. There are certainly many members of my family who aren't religious, but still consider themselves Jewish culturally.  I will mention this to my FI to get his take...this is really for him, as he felt we couldn't "do something Jewish" withouth "doing something Catholic".  I wouldn't want to offend anyone in that way either.

     
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    CoffeeHound    January 1, 1991  

    @Ngolden1: As I mentioned in another thread, a Catholic/Jewish wedding performed with permission from the Catholic Church (which is necessary for the Catholic Church to recognize the marriage) is entirely Jewish.  The rabbi performs the entire ceremony and a priest witnesses it and can give a blessing at the end if asked. 

    So I don't think you have to do "something Catholic, something Jewish" necessarily.  But if you want to, I'm sure it would be appreciated.  The sign of peace seems like a nice addition that most people would recognize.  

     
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    sapphirebride    December 31, 2010   Seattle, WA

    @JessicaL: Whether it is allowed depends on the church, but it still isn't a Catholic tradition even if some Catholics use one.

     
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    airythia    January 15, 2011   Dayton

    what about having a statue of Mary at the site and have someone sing Ave Maria while you go over and place a flower before the statue.  that's a Catholic tradition.  It's not required by any means but most couples (in the city i live in) are asked if they want to do this tradition.

     
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    AnamCara    April 10, 2010   Ireland/Connecticut

    I agree with some of the PPs that the sign of peace would be lovely.  I mean, who doesn't love peace???

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    I'm Catholic and I think it would be really nice to incorporate the symbolism if that is important to you and your FI.  My friend is also Catholic and her husband is Jewish - they were both fairly observant in their religions before their wedding but I'm not sure how they practice now - and their wedding was officiated by a rabbi but a priest was also present to offer a blessing/prayer as part of the ceremony.

     
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    BostonBaby    January 2012   MA

    @Ngolden1: This is my problem too! I'm trying to satisfy both sides with neutral readings, but it's a challenge finding them. We might be smashing the glass but we're not set on it yet, since there is no Catholic equivalent (many of the guests wouldn't understand or participate in the sign of peace).

    I agree about the challenge of "doing something Catholic" and "doing something Jewish," and we may end up without specific acknowledgement of both. I think part of the problem is that Catholic ceremonies are very focused on the religious bindings of marriage, but (reform) Jewish weddings have a more social intent, hence why breaking the glass is cultural rather than religious.

    Have you asked your officiant for advice? He or she may know of a tradition or reading that would be appropriate, especially if he/she has performed interfaith ceremonies before.

     
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    Loribeth    December 1, 2010   Michigan (Married in Savannah, GA)

    The US Conference of Catholic Bishops has not directly discouraged or encouraged the use of a unity candle during a Catholic wedding ceremony. So this means it is left to each individual Diocese to decide and even left to each individual parish priest.

    It isn't a part of the Catholic Marriage Rite, so I would say that would not be a tradition to add to your ceremony if you are looking for something specifically Catholic. I think the Sign of the Cross would be the most recognized as a Catholic symbol of faith.

    Perhaps your officiant could say something like, "In the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, I pronounce you Husband and Wife. You may kiss the bride..." You would do the Sign of the Cross when he said "in the name of...", then join hands and kiss when he said "You may...".

     
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    Loribeth    December 1, 2010   Michigan (Married in Savannah, GA)

    Okay.... I just read some more of this thread...  I think the Sign of the Cross might be a bit too religious...although it is highly recognized as a Catholic symbol... 

    I agree with others who have mentioned the sign of peace.  It's something that is done at every Catholic Mass, and it is one of my favorite parts. Having everyone in attendance shake every persons hand who is their immediate area, and saying "Peace be with you... And also with you." would be a lovely way to unite everyone in the spirit of your union.

     

     

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