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With five months to go until our wedding, FI just informed me that he doesn't want to marry me. :( :( :( :*(
He said he'd be willing to work on our relationship and stay together...without going through with the wedding. His reasons are the following problems: 1) We rarely eat dinner together 2) We don't do enough things together 3) He feels inadequate because he doesn't do romantic things and doesn't know why he doesn't just do them and 4) I am a little messy (just leave dishes in sink for one day and some clothes on the floor--nothing too bad and I always clean up soon after)
So, he wants to change all of the above and work on it. I, or course, am devastated at this news, and wondering what I should say to him. Today is shot because I am just rocking back and forth crying. After three years with him, and sacrificing to move to where he goes to grad school, I've built my whole life around him. I thought we were happy. Apparently he's felt this way for a long time, and just hasn't told me. I sensed something was wrong, so we had a long talk last week, and agreed we were still in love, wanted to get married, and would agree to work on the above problems. We made a pact that he would do one romantic thing for me (flowers, walk on beach, romantic evening, anything) and I would do a major cleanup around the apartment. Not only did I do a major cleanup of our bedroom, I also made sure to wash every dish each day of the week. But he didin't do anything romantic for me. He forgot. I told him it was "ok, I know you'll try next week." Then this week, I walk out to the living room to snuggle with him (we snuggle every day watching TV or a movie) and I notice he looks sad, and a bomb erupts where he tells me he's confused and we talk and cry for hours. Then today, he tells me he does want to be with me. But essentially he is breaking off our engagement. I'm really mad, actually, because last week when we had our serious relationship talk I said "I need to know for sure, because I was just about to mail the $2,000 catering deposit check) which is all my money, by the way...about 90 percent of the wedding has been funded by me...and he said to go ahead and mail it. So I really, genuinely thought everything was going to be OK. We get along extremely well, are loving to each other, we make each other laugh, we go on tons of camping trips...I honestly would marry him tomorrow, but he says he definitely wouldn't marry me tomorrow. :( I'm so, so sad and confused as to what to say. This is one of those potentially life-changing junctures, and I feel like doing the wrong thing out of anger/frustration, could ruin my entire chance at happiness in life...
What is your advice?
I'm so sorry you're going through this right now. I would say don't make any major decision right when you feel so emotional.
Also, it really sounds like he is very confused about what he wants/needs right now. I would suggest you have him read The Five Love Languages together so together you can decide what makes each of you feel loved. We all feel loved in different ways, the book explains (acts of service, affirmation, affection etc.) and it doesn't mean either of you are wrong in the way you're showing love, you might just not be showing it in the way the other feels it.
If you're past that point in the relationship right now, I would say, keep the lines of communication open with him. He was honest with you and you can't be mad that he told you the truth. You could be mad with the truth of course, but he obviusly still cares a great deal, or he wouldn't have given you an explanation--he would have just left altogether I would think.
((hugs)) and good luck either way.
That really sucks - I would ask him if he wants to schedule an appointment with a couples counsellor to help you talk through everything. And let him know that if he really wants to call off the wedding, he needs to reimburse you for (at least) half of the costs you've incurred so far.
I'm really sorry this happened to you! There are a lot of men (some of which have been engaged to bee's) that just panic, for lack of a better word. They feel a pressure to change who they are. The wedding becomes stressful, the marriage itself applies a lot of pressure too. He may just be going through something so I really wouldn't initiate a conversation. If you want to be with him, maybe say something like, "I'm here when you want to talk about this".
wow, thats ALOT to take in ((hugs))
i got stuck on your post where you say "I've built my whole life around him" - im worried that you have lost yourself and your identity with being with your FI and if thats affected how your FI feels as this could be alot of pressure for someone. also you say you are paying for 90% of the wedding cost, is that because he is funding his schooling or he has no interested in financially supporting the wedding.
hopefully you 2 will be able to talk further to figure out what is going on and hopefully its not a bad as it seems right now
I am so sorry you are going through this pain right now. I am sure you are overwhelmed with a ton of emotions (anger, sadness, confusion etc.)
I definitely agree you need to keep the communication lines open and really flesh out what he is feeling right now. I definitely think going to a couples counselor could help and having a counselor would be a great moderator to make sure you really get to the root of the issues he and you are having.
I too was struck when you said you have had to change your life for him. You deserve to be in a partnership, where you are both equally contributing to the relationship. Yes, maybe in different ways, but one person should not be working so much harder than the other. This might be a big wake up call.
Also, yes it's good he is being honest because you wouldn't want him to be feeling like AFTER the wedding. He could just be having cold feet though.
I hope this passes soon and you are able to work through this together. GOOD LUCK and keep us posted!
**HUGS!!!**
girl I have no advice, just (((hugs))). I remember your post on letterpress and I know you've been pouring yourself into this wedding... so sorry to hear this! I hope things work out. Sending good thoughts your way that things will be better!!
I am with the group I am sorry this is happening to you. I would give him his space on this because it might be like everyone else said the wedding is too much pressure for him and he is in panic mode and doesnt know how to communicate about it in the right way. I would say to you that you need to also take sometime to figure out whats best for you and readjust. Yes I am sure you still want to be with him after all of this, but not to be rude its a bad decision we as women make putting our all into men and then forgetting who we are. I mean i learned this the hard way also. I was with my ex for 2 years and one of those we lived together. I supported him through everything even some decisions now that I regret, but he told me one day he wasnt interested in being married!!! WHAT! I didnt see this coming since he had been talking about with it me off and on for a couple of months. I had to go outta town for my job right after this and it gave me time to clear my head. I came back and moved out and didnt look back! I am not saying thats something you should do, but sometimes we all have to step back and say am I still myself!! :)
Oh no, that is awful! I think he is definitely putting the emphasis on the wrong things. You being a little messier? Not doing enough romantic things together? Those are not reasons to call off a marriage, so I doubt fixing those things is going to 'fix' the relationship. I think maybe he doesn't know why he's really feeling the way he's feeling so he's looking for logical 'reasons' for his feelings.
I would definitely get involved with a professional. Honestly, if he's not willing to work hard to rekindle things quickly, I would seriously reconsider the relationship. I know, I know, I'm so sorry - but calling off your wedding 5 months beforehand? Unless he makes a huge effort to turn things around I would seriously question whether this is the right relationship for both of you.
I am so sorry this is happening to you! **HUGS** I agree with the others, def get some help from a professional counciler. I also agree with eloping that you may have lost yourself in your relationship with him. If thats the case then this might be a good time to take a breath and get involved in something in your own life that makes you happy, volunteering, book club, gym, etc. I hope things work out for you. *HUGS*
Oh sweetie :-( (((HUGS)))
I agree with everyone, especially those who have said that it's worrisome that everything seems focused on HIM. What about YOU? You deserve to be with someone who can appreciate you for who YOU are, not what you can do for him. My advice is to take some time away from him and remember who you are and who you want to be. After that, counseling could be very beneficial.
I am so sorry to hear about this.
His list of things worries me because those things aren't really what marriage is all about. (I guess spending time together is important, but it sound like you do that??).
I think his doubts likely run much deeper and I would urge you not to just call off the wedding and continue in this relationship without seeing a professional therapist who can really get at the root of what the problem is.
I will say you won't ruin your chances at happiness - marriage is a huge commitment and if he is not 100% ready to make that commitment to you, you deserve someone who will and will be far happier if you promise yourself you will settle for nothing less. Getting along, being loving - all that is great. But that alone is not marriage. Marriage is partnership, support, trust, love and so much more....
Thanks for the advice...please, keep it coming...It is very helpful to me right now. I'm not able to share our situation with many people because while I have close gfs down here,they're also good friends with him, so it would just be awkward...
I think the problems we have can be worked out, and that our marriage shouldn't be cancelled because of these problems. I think there's something deeper going on in his head/emotions OTHER than his list of concerns that I posted about above... but as of yet, it hasn't been communicated to me, or it's not perfectly clear to me yet.
One thing he said that in our conversation that really bugged me "i just want you to have your life figured out before we get married" Ok, so i'm doing two internships right now, so what? I'm also working full time as a professional writer and making good money. I'm happy as a journalist (have been one for about 6 years, having worked as a daily news reporter, for the Associated Press, and a national magazine) but right now I'm also doing two internships to explore other career options (quarter-life crisis hit). I'm doing a highly competitive master gardening internship and landscape architecture internship to see if landscape architecture is a career I might like. I've also been working on establishing a small letterpress biz on the side...I definitely have my own life. I also do volunteer hours at elementary school gardens thru my internship. Also, we have a solid group of friends who love to go on long camping trips (like, we summitted Mt. Whitney this summer)...I often go on them myself, and also will go to game nights by myself if my fiance for some reason can't make it. I have a solid set of lifelong friends (bff and MOH and I have known each other since Kindergarten and are basically like sisters) so if and when I break this news of what I'm going thru as of today, I will have support...
For the past hour or so, I've been talking with one of my closest girflfriends about everything...and...I now have a plan of what to say next to FI. I will let you know what happens next, after I talk to FI. But please, definitely keep the suggestions coming. Other than talking to my friend, I haven't talked to anyone else, including my mom (out of desperation though, I emailed her a long email, so she is probably really sad for me right now, if she's read it yet since she's at work...) So, because I've only talked to one friend, this is is why I am so, so grateful for your support, girls! You guys are like friends to me, and I thank you for that.
I'm sorry to hear you are going through this :( I just wanted to say, it is possible to panic and not be sure about the wedding, to work on the relationship and come through a better couple, and end up married - I know this is possible because it's what happened to us. I got cold feet the first time we were engaged, moved out for a few weeks, then came back. It took another 4 years for me to be ready, we've now been married only 6 weeks but it's wonderful, I'm so happy and I'm so grateful for him having faith in us. So, it's possible that this could work for you. But only you know if that's what you want and if you are happy to wait for him, knowing that it could go either way - he might decide he wants to get married, or he might want to break up. You will be giving him a lot of power, in that sense. Are you able to move out for a while and stay with a friend? Some space for you both might really help make sense of things. Best of luck.
That stinks! He doesnt feel 5 months is enough time to mend things out with the woman he loves? I mean, if you already set a date and took that step, why back out now?
It sounds like he's looking for reasons to postpone or cancel. I honestly doubt the real issue is with your career, perceived messiness, or other "faults" he chose.
Don't work on those, try to find the reason he's REALLY freaking out. And get yourself a back up plan - if things do end up being over you need a way to cope and move forward appropriately.
I know that isn't going to be a popular answer right now, but I mean the best.
I agree with Tacos. It sounds as though the issues he's having run deeper than what's presently being expressed.
Wow, I am so sorry you're having to go through this. It definitely sounds like there are some deeper issues here - have you brought up the idea of counseling with him? It could really help!
I'm so sorry. I really think that you two should go to premarital counseling to try and work on your communication issues.
Also, it sounds like you are doing quite a bit. Do you think that maybe that is keeping you so busy that you don't have time for a relationship lately? That could be making him feel worthless in the relationship.
Sorry to hear what you are going through. I definitely agree with what others have said in terms of there being deeper issues not just the four things you listed in your first post. I think if he wants this relationship to work, he truly needs to open up, let you in and tell you what is bothering him. Maybe when he said he just wants you to figure out what you want to do he means that he wants more stability or maybe he is nervous that you will never settle or be happy in your career? Just food for thought. But stay strong and just remember that everything happens for a reason and everything that happens is truly meant to be whether it means you guys work it through and stay together or you each go your separate ways. In the absolute worst case scenario if you can't work through your differences and you go your separate ways, it will benefit you in the long run because you don't want to be stuck in a marriage where the other partner is unhappy and is unable to communicate his issues to you.
First of all (((((HUGS)))))! I really feel for you & can empathize. About 2 years ago, FI & I went through something very similar (albeit without the engagement & looming wedding date): after being together for 9 years, I had some realizations about my career & how that may affect our future. My suggestions were deal breakers for him & we both had to do some soul searching to find a compromise that we are both happy with & look forward to. I share this because I first wanted you to know that you're not alone, & that it's possible to get through this together, if that's what you both want (FI & I will be married this summer - yay for happy beginnings!). Second, I wanted to stress that WE BOTH had to soul search & compromise...but, at first, I know that he and I each felt that we had already given so much & for a few weeks, neither of us was willing to budge. Only after being confronted with the idea of life without each other (because we were each so adamant) did we even contemplate a compromise. So, unlike some of the others, I leave the professionals out of this until you each clearly understand what's at stake & whether either of you are willing to give that up (if either of you are, then this is NOT the right relationship for either of you...the willingness to compromise must come first). Once you're past that HUGE hurdle, then try just talking to EACH OTHER...you are the only two people for whom this decision is necessary - anyone else brings a taint of outside influence (even us on WB). If that doesn't work, then bring on the big guns of professional counseling. But that first hurdle is the most important & the hardest to bear. If you or he aren't willing to give a little or feel like you've given too much, then get out of the relationship & find a man willing to be your partner. Sending you positive thoughts & hope.
So sorry you're going through this heartache! I have to agree that his reasons sound rather lame to be honest. I hate to sound horrible but maybe he's telling you that he doesn't do "romantic things" for you anymore because.....well, his heart just isn't in it anymore? Didn't he notice you were a little messy before he propsed? Couldn't he have raised the topic of you guys not eating together rather than breaking off the engagement, his actions seem a bit drastic. Sending positive vibes your way!
I would talk to a counsler stat. You both need to understand how you feel individually and to be able to communicate that to one another, so having someone in between to mediate that could be helpful.
I think the emphasis on trying to find out why he's freaking out is one avenue, but you should also consider that perhaps he's putting all this weight on these small things because he isn't sure or isn't sure how to articulate how he feels, or the reasons why he feels the way he does.
In the interim, I would start to focus on YOU, just as much as trying to communicate with him and work on your relationship. Do things that you enjoy, and get back into your life that has nothing to do with being in a relationship with him. Find yourself and fall in love with yourself again.
Mr. Bee wrote a post in the Waiting board about getting a guy to propose. To sum it up quickly, the key was to pay attention to what you could control which is yourself and your life. To do fun things for YOU and focus your attention away from what you cannot control (someone proposing, or in your case someone wanting to marry you). When you are occupied and focusing on yourself, your mate takes notice. Obviously, your situation has a lot more going on than just that, but I also think some of that advice could work in your case as well.
Even though it hurts now, be glad your BF brought this up to you because, in the long run, it's better to marry someone who wants to marry you and who is ready to marry you.
Big hugs!
I am so sorry you are going through this! I can't give much more advice then what has already been given, but I just wanted to say (((HUGS))) and that I hope you find out what the deeper issue is with your FI.
HUGS to you. I agree with the others that there is something else on his mind, and until he is ready to open up about what it is, it might be difficult to resolve anything. I may be way off here, but I too noticed the statement that you've built your life around him and then with your follow up post about what he said about waiting until you having your life figured out....is it possible that you've lost a bit of who you are? But maybe I'm just reading too much in to it. I hope that you are able to talk more and better understand what is going on.
I am sending thoughts your way, and I really do hope things work out for you. Sometimes, when we are "in it" we can't ever imagine our selves out of "it"-like our lives would just be over if things were different or didn't work out. But it doesn't-we grow and learn and live. I think that you need to give him a LITTLE bit of credit for being up front with you before the wedding. I am sure that he loves you and it's probably extrelemy hard for him to hurt you or see you upset. Now don't get me wrong-the fact that he's doing this to you 5 months before the wedding after ALL you have done is absolutely horrible-but it could be worse. My girlfriend ended things with her hubby 2 months AFTER their wedding-now they're getting divorced :( and it could have been talked about before. You guys may very well just need time-time to heal, and talk, and work it out. I strongly recommend the book "The Five Love Languages" I think both of you would learn a great deal-I know I did. And professional help is always an option. Please keep sharing if it helps and know you have plenty of love coming your way from NY....keep your chin up girl-it will work out.....
((hugs))
I agree that you two should see a counselor - especially because his list of complaints are all sort of factual, without giving any actual insight into his feelings/needs/etc... If you're going to make progress, he's going to need to do better on expressing his feelings than "we don't do enough things together." There are some unarticulated fears/wants/feelings/assumptions underlying the things he's telling you, and he's going to need to figure out what they are if you two are going to work on them!
wow... im sorry you have to go through this, but i guess its better now then the day of or after. It really does sound like he has serious cold feet and that he is using those excuses to cover up some bigger issue. Im not sure what to say but i wish you the best of luck dealing with this situation... i couldnt imagine how hard it would be and how confusing
My best wishes go out to you. I'm sorry that this happening. Hopefully things can work out, and I would definitely try some premarital counseling, hope he's open to that.
I wanted to weigh in with a guy's perspective.
I would be careful before embracing the "there are definitely deeper reasons" theory. Basically what he said was that, he feels like you guys aren't spending enough Quality Time together and that he doesn't feel like you're doing Acts of Service that make him feel loved (like keeping things clean).
That's all consistent with the Love Language stuff several people mentioned above - it's definitely possible that he doesn't feel loved recently, maybe b/c you guys have different love languages.
Plus as a guy, I could definitely see myself saying or feeling a lot of those things he mentioned!
If you guys have time to take some online assessments, it might be worth checking these out:
http://www.5lovelanguages.com/assessments/personal-profiles/
http://www.afo.net/hftw-lovetest.asp
I learned a lot from the book, and especially from taking the test with my wife and then comparing results!
ps it sounds like he's been honest about sharing his concerns with you... I suggest that you take them at face value for now. It's definitely possible that there are also deeper issues - it's fine to consider those as well. But I wanted to weigh in b/c I thought that maybe some people were suggesting that you start by looking for the "real" deeper issue, and if I were him... that might make me feel like you weren't taking my concerns seriously. I think the points he raised are very valid, and definitely a good place to start.
GOOD LUCK!!!
I am so sorry that you are going through such a difficult time. I can understand where you are standing because a similar situation presented itself to me a couple of months ago (a little different, but I won't get into that). I would recommend maybe trying to take a couple nights and get away with each other. If you can't afford going away to a different location, maybe a hotel some place away from home. It would give both of you a chance to focus on each other, not be distracted and discuss what is going on.
When it happened to me I found that getting away helped and we were able to explain each other's side and reconnect. My FI was totally against any type of counseling (I was for it). Although it may be hard right now and you are feeling all different emotions, be greatful this came about now verses after the wedding. Best of luck to you and I hope things work out for the better
I am very sorry this happened to you. I know it was this summer, but was wondering how things worked out. I too had a broken engagement after having everything bought and paid for by myself and my family. He did the same thing, didn't want to marry me, but wanted to stay with me and change me but did not want to change himself. It hurt like hell and I was a wreck for about a year. But I then started doing things I had never done before and got my life and myself back...I got my smile back. It took a lot of praying, counseling, and lots of talks with friends to realized that I would be okay, that it wasn't the end of the world (although it seemed so at the time.)
Next month I will marry the man of my dreams who is 100 times better then the previous one. He doesn't want to change me and loves the things that the other man didn't even notice about me. I hope that you are happy whether you are still with this man or without. Just know that you will be okay, it just takes time :)
Wow. I'm so sorry that you had to hear all of that. It sounds like he is pretty confused, which I'm sure you are now, too. But, that is no excuse for him to jerk you around. He told you things that he was unhappy about, and you fixed them right away which shows that you OBVIOUSLY really care about your relationship. It seems that maybe he just used those excuses (messy, etc.) as a crutch for something bigger is going on. Once you fixed them, he still wasn't happy. I don't feel like you should have to wait around on him. You should not have to sacrifice a wedding (that he wanted at one time) just because he changed his mind. Like I said, I am so sorry that you have to go through this.
I'm so sorry you're going through this right now! {{HUGS}}
You can't control what he ultimately decides to do, but I would ask him if he feels that his life is figured out right now. Obviously it's not, or he wouldn't be putting on the breaks.
If he says his life is figured out, then just keep working on the issues he raised (as long as he's also working on them equally). If he says it's not, maybe you can help him figure out what he needs to do to start figuring out what he wants or needs. If he continues to not put any effort in to change things, though, (and I'm sorry to say this, but) he has probably already checked out of the relationship--and you deserve someone who values the relationship enough to work on it as much as you do. One person can't make a relationship work on his or her own, no matter how right they may be or how hard they may try.
Good luck with everything! I really hope it works out in the end!!!
Oh, I'm so sorry. :( Big frown.
But I do like what the guy said above. I mean, really. How often we forget about the whole "different language" thing.
Sorry, but I think that is the DUMBEST reason for someone to not get married. It sounds like he has cold feet...or there is something else going on. Sounds a little strange to me.
Im sorry you have to go though this...hopefully he will realize what a dumb mistake he's making!
Me and the DH were very close to postponing the wedding and during the fight, he said some mean things to me about what he thought about our relationship. We didn't talk to each other for a good day. I took what he said to heart. In the end, he really didn't mean it and it was because we were both stressed. With work, and weddding planning and also, FMIL issues. He was getting overwhelmed.
If it were me, I would take a day or two to think about what he said, get him to have some time to think about what he said, too. Maybe you guys can talk about it once you both cool down.
Good luck. I'm so sorry that you have to deal with this.
Don't tell any guests yet. Wait a few days. Ask the caterer, "If I were to cancel, what are my options?"
When we were considering calling it off, I told my all of my BMs and he ended up calling him mom, dad, GMs, a few friends. So unfortunately, some of his friends couldn't make it to the wedding because they cancelled their hotels when they thought we really were postponing the wedding. In the end, we had our wedding as planned.
I am so, so sorry that you are going through this right now! ((big bee hugs))
I don't want to bring you down, but I'm in the group that thinks there are deeper things going on here. My ex did that with me ... he kept pointing to more surface reasons that he wasn't sure about us in marriage when really he just didn't want to marry me.
The first time he dragged that on for an entire summer and I finally broke up with him because I knew he didn't want to be with me, even if he wasn't sure. The crazy thing is that he was so confused about what he wanted that he kept pursuing a relationship with me. A year and a half later, he talked me into getting back together after I had already been over him and ready to move on. I fell in love with him all over again and was heartbroken when he broke up with me three months later.
He cared about me, and I'm sure your FI/ex FI cares about you. He doesn't want to see you hurt, and he feels like he's made promises to you that he has to keep. But TRUST ME -- you deserve to be with someone who is 100 percent sure that they want to be with you for the rest of your lives! Better that he come to this realization now than to put off his feelings and tell you in 1, 2 or 10 years when you'll have to go through a messy divorce.
I know it hurts, but you will build your life back. You will find yourself again, and eventually, you'll find a fantastic husband who loves you no matter what.
I want to leave you with a quote that meant a lot to me after my ex broke up with me the second time and I felt like I had missed my chance at love. It's from the show Bones, and if you watch that show, it's something Bones says to her bff Angela when Angela wonders if she'll ever have another chance to find her true love:
"You will, because nothing in this universe happens just once, nothing. Infinity goes in both directions. There is no unique event, no singular moment ... It means you will get another chance ... Yes, I promise from my heart, you will get another chance."
P.S. Mr. Bunny and I started dating only a few months after my ex and I broke up the second time! <3
P.P.S. Feel free to PM me if you want to talk!
I am with Nicole61183 (sorry Mr.Bee). Unless he's shared other reasons with you that you haven't told us, these sound like really dumb reasons not to get married. I think something else is going on here. If he's flaky enough to call off a wedding b/c the two of you have been too busy lately to spend a lot of time together and you aren't clean enough for his standards, I would assume he's not emotionally invested enough in the relationship or, like I said, something else is going on.
I'm all for taking the tests Mr.Bee presented and maybe going to counceling, but honestly this doesn't sound good.
Oh hun, I'm so, so sorry. I really am.
But I have to agree with the others who are saying that you really need to examine this relationship. It sounds to me he's making excuses for the simple fact that he may not be ready for marriage. I know you may not want to hear this, but it might help. I've had not one, but two friends who've been in this situation. Almost engaged, thought a wedding was in the near future, and then their BF's started acting distant and coming up with excuses to hold off on any major plans or take a break/give each other space. Excuses like, "I think we should find ourselves before getting married" and "I want you to be fully happy with life." A lot of the excuses revolved around wanting the girl to find true happiness, implying the guy couldn't give it to her, but still saying they loved each other and wanted to stay together.
They both eventually broke up, and it was the BEST thing that ever happened to them. They weren't super young (25 at the time) and they had both already found themselves and knew what they wanted. They both now look back and see that they had a lot of problems with the relationships they were in. They just weren't working well together, or one wanted to put more into than the other. They're both SO happy they ended it and started fresh.
I'm not saying every situation ends like this, but it's a possibility.
It really bothers me that one of your FI's major concerns is that you're messy, yet you picked up after yourself once you guys talked it out, and he didn't reciprocate by doing something special for you. It really makes me think that there's something else going on.
Take a step back and breathe. Keep us posted!
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