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help - order professional album, or make my own?

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    fleur99      

    My photos turned out awesome.  I originally didn't think I cared about photography, but after enough "make sure you get a good photographer" admonishments, I expanded my budget and I am so happy I did.  

    Anyway, because I increased the photographer budget, I didn't consider at all buying an expensive professional album at the time we hired the photographer.  But the photos turned out so well, I'm worried that my own work on adoramapix.com won't do them justice.  Plus, it's taking me FOREVER.  Plus, my husband and I already decided to buy a nice box of professional prints at about half the cost of the album, i.e., we've already decided to invest a chunk of change - just not that big of a chunk.  So now I'm considering just doing the whole thing.  Worth it?

    Is the professional album really that much better than a DIY one?  

    Thank You!

     
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    Loribeth    December 1, 2010   Michigan (Married in Savannah, GA)

    I used MyCanvas.com, and I was really happy with the album I made.  DH loved it too.  I also did a small one for our two families, and they were really impressed.

    So I would recommend trying DIY. 

     
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    RLondon    October 23, 1993   NYC

    You are in some luck, 5 years ago I would have said no way but there are diy options out there, read this article it will telll you all about it:

    {link removed due to self-promotion policy}

     
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    artbee    February 28, 2010  

    I wanted more pictures then a professional album would hold. I felt like if I spent that much on photography, I should have lots of pictures to show for it! My friend had a pro album and they asked her to pick only 20 pictures out of her 700. That's crazy to me!

    Plus, we just didn't have the money for it. I figured we could do a DIY now and if we ever want to upgrade, we have the images on CD.

     
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    PizzutiStudios       Boston Area

    If you can do it, then definitely go for it. The consumer albums on the market still are no where near what your pro can offer you.

     
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    RLondon    October 23, 1993   NYC

    @artbee a professional digital album should easily fit 80 images, your comapny is saying 20 for they just want to do 20 big pictures which is the easiest

     
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    mzlouis2b    November 3, 2012   Live in Brooklyn, wedding in MI

    There are places where you can make your own professional albums such as black river imaging. Its a company that many photographers order from and its a way higher quality than a book from shutterfly or similar sites (although i do like those for my more casual photos). My FI and I are actually about to order a small album for our engagement photos.

     
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    atomic    October 2013   Atlanta

    Keep in mind that you are investing not only in a higher quality archival album, but also the professional layout and design. I agree with Pizzuti, it is definitely worth the investment if you can afford it. Even places like Black River, while offering higher quality options than most, are still not the same level of quality that you will get from your photographer. As they have access to the highest quality albums that are only available to photographers and designers (with legally registered businesses). 

     
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    Wow - you've all given me a lot to think about.  Thanks a lot for the input.  But I'm still not sure!  I have a bad feeling that I'm going to do all the work myself, and then end up ordering the professional one anyway.  Hmmmmm.

     
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    TedNghiem       NJ

    @mzlouis2b: You need to be a photographer to use BRI's services. 

     
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    kala_way    May 28, 2011   Manhattan Beach, CA

    I'm DIYing mine. I want to have control of what pictures I use and how it turns out. There are tons of places online where you can make very good quality books and albums. I've made a book online before with images and stories for a family member so I'm confident that I can do something that will turn out well.

     
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    7SEVENJ9    September 25, 2010  

    I have the rights to the photos from my photographer, so we made our album on www.photobookamerica.com. They're GREAT!

     
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    PitBulLover    August 21, 2010  

    I'm going with DIY through AdoramaPix. I love having complete control over what photos go into our album. If I left that up to the photographer, how do I know their favorite photos will be the same as my favorites? Also, I know that a professional album is even nicer but I really cant justify spending that much money on one. I am going to be paying less than $200 for our 76 page album that will have a TON of photos in it. A pro album will be at least double (probably more than double) what we are paying now. Have you seen this post - http://www.weddingbee.com/2010/08/23/affordable-photo-albums/#more-158510

     
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    @kala_way:  Most (reputable) photographers give the client this control.  The client selects the images, and the photographer does a rough layout, that you review, comment on, and then approve, prior to hitting the press.

     

     
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    kala_way    May 28, 2011   Manhattan Beach, CA

    @USER876: lol, so I can pick everything out myself and then pay someone else a lot of money to pay a company to print it or I can pick everything out myself and pay a little money to a company online to print it.

     
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    PizzutiStudios       Boston Area

    Our clients pick out their images, I design the layout after they've been samples and give me an idea of the type of design they would like. I then spend HOURS/DAYS laying out the album that matches the feel for the design the client wants and cohesively tells the story of the day. We go back and forth making changes until the client is happen then I spend additional hours/days retouching each image so it is perfect. Once the client loves it we order it from a high end pro lab. Just making sure each of the layout is formatted to be print ready takes hours. Most pro labs wont work with the public because of the technical details that go into the printing process so the images come out looking their absolute best. All of my clients have full control over what their album will look like, they just don't have the time or desire to sit in front of the screen for hours putting it together. Because I'm trained and experienced in putting albums together they invest in my time and skills to produce it for them, just like they did for capturing those images. If DIY is your thing then go for it, but if you don't have design skills, printing knowledge then why not trust a pro. It's like saying oh I can be a good photographer because I have a nice camera. If you are going to invest in good photography then why not invest in how you are going to display and archive that investment.

     
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    @kala_way:  You are looking at this from 100% cost perspective, and yes you can get an album done cheaper than a professional will charge.  However, most of the money a professional will charge is the cost of the album itself which you would have to pay anyway.  Also, since the general public doesn't have access to work directly with professional album company's, the DIY album will not be of similar quality.

    Why pay a hair dresser to cut my hair, I own a 10 dollar scissor?

    Why pay a DJ, I have an ipod?

    Why pay a landscaper to redo the front of my house?  I can buy shrubs and paver blocks myself?

    Why pay a car body shop?  I have paint and a hammer?

    There are some things a professional can just provide better than what we can do or supply ourself, albiet more expensive, and a wedding album is one of those things.

     
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    kala_way    May 28, 2011   Manhattan Beach, CA

    I definitely understand that, and I think that works for a lot of people.

    I do have the time to do it. I do have some experience in it. And all of our photos will be fully retouched by our photographer.

    I honestly don't really like the look of most professional albums. They are usually huge! (which I guess is only right given the price) And the several that I've seen I'm confident I could have done a better job. I just can't imagine spending so much money for something that I think I'll be more happy with if I do myself.

    Non-"pro" services can turn out amazing products. I've used them before. And again, since I don't really want the same look as the pro books, not usuing a pro lab won't be a problem. :)

    Oh and I completely agree about the DJ. Complete waste of money, imo

    Same with the landscaper actually.

    Though I don't think the body shop comparison is a good one as there is little chance you'd have the necessary equipment.

    Anybody with photoshop and a creative eye can make a wedding album. Again, I understand it won't look like a pro-book. And I don't want it to.

     
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    deetroitwhat    April 28, 2015  

    @kala_way: I am totally DIYing mine (scrapbooking).  And not using a website.  I use Creative Memories products.  This is something I do, but I definitely could not see letting someone else "do" my album for me--using a website or otherwise.  It can be expensive for the material--but what an investment!

     
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    kala_way    May 28, 2011   Manhattan Beach, CA

    @deetroitwhat: I've never seen a scrapbook wedding album. I bet that could be really nice. It's not really my style, but my sister has tons of scrapbooks she's made for her kids and they're awesome.

    Using a website really isn't allowing them any control. You create and organize every single page and then hit the order button. All they do is print it so it looks like an actual book.

     
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    mzlouis2b    November 3, 2012   Live in Brooklyn, wedding in MI

    @TedNghiem: Im sorry I meant their other site Somerset Albums where you dont need to be a photographer to order.

     

     
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    deetroitwhat    April 28, 2015  

    @kala_way: Yeah I've ordered one before for my boss, and I didn't like the way it turned out.

    Scrapping is tiring :(  But worth it when it's over!

     
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    smb555    April 2011  

    I made an engagement album for $30 on shutterfly. It came out gorgeous!!

     

     

     
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    kristiwright    January 1, 2010  

    I know I'm biased being a wedding photographer myself, but I really think having your photographer design the album is the way to go. Most consumer album companies are not crafted to last as long as professional album supplier hence the significant price difference. For my clients, I pre-design the album for them. It is so much easier for me to do it than to have them select the images. Of course, they have the opportunity to make changes but so far all my clients are loving my choices/designs. I bet your photographer would do the same for you. 

     

    Definitely worth the splurge! You won't regret it!

     
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    @kala_way:  I am not second guessing the quality of the photos your photographer supplied or your ability to design a nice layout.  DIY books are not printed on real photopaper and the books are not bound the same as a professional quality album.  The final result will not look, feel, or hold up the same.

     
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    kala_way    May 28, 2011   Manhattan Beach, CA

    @USER876: Yes, I'm quite aware it will be different from a photographers wedding book. As I've said, I want it be.

    The books I've made in the past have a quality that I find perfectly acceptable. I worked in a library for 5 years so I know my way around bindings.

    Additionally, I will have all of my images electronically and if for some reason my book disintigrated in 10 years I'll just make/print a new one

     
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    @kala_way:  Will your grandchildren make a new one 75 yrs from now?  Just sayin....

     
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    kala_way    May 28, 2011   Manhattan Beach, CA

    @USER876:lol, when was the last time you looked at your great grandmothers wedding album? I don't think my grandparents ever even had one. I think there's a much great chance in our electronic age of images sticking around on computers than in printed form. I know that my dad and great uncle have spent hours searching for, scanning, and reconstructing images of my ancestors. So yes, I think if they'd like to they will and will be able to :)

     
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    @kala_way:  I guess we will never know until 75 yrs from now, but a quality album is a tangable item that will most likely last generations.  I honestly think it has more chance of surviving computer after computer, hard drive after harddrive, and the internet evolution.

     
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    kala_way    May 28, 2011   Manhattan Beach, CA

    @USER876: Guess we'll just have to agree to disagree then. I've never seen a wedding album that survived for generations. And there are plenty of poorly bound books that last for centuries in the bowels of libraries. I think you're overestimating the staying power of pro books and underestimating that of non-pro, but you have your reasons and I have mine. I doubt we'll convince each other. I'll save my money and you can go on making giant expensive books.

     
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    amyisnice    September 18, 2011   Austin

    I would DIY.  

     
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    @kala_way:  I am not arguing with you, just providing a different point of view.  I do a lot of DIY albums and the pages all look worn after a yr or so of normal use, esp the one I got from mypublisher the pages show every finger print and dent.

     
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    kala_way    May 28, 2011   Manhattan Beach, CA

    @USER876: I've never actually heard of "mypublisher" but thanks for the tip.

     
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    MrsTimber    October 10, 2010   Michigan

    My husband and I ordered the photographs for framing from our photographer and DIY'ed the rest for our album. The standard 3x5 print in a store-bought album looked fantastic as the digital files were high-resolution, professional quality. It saved us a chunk of change!

     
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    Mrs Grape    December 10, 2010  

    I liked the freedom of being able to put the album together myself. My friend and her hubby did our pics so a full pro book wasn't quite in the cards, but even if we'd had a traditional professional photographer, we still wouldn't have spent the extra money for a pro album.

     
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    @kala_way:  It's one of the most popular DIY sites.

     
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    BeeM    October 13, 2012   North Carolina

    @kala_way: I understand the struggle here. Wedding albums are EXPENSIVE. Prints and albums are an area where I feel there's a disconnect between photographers and clients. I am all for beautiful, well-crafted albums and prints - I think they're timeless and wonderful, tangible things to have in a digital world. However, the mark-up I've seen some charging on albums is OBSCENE, especially in this economy. I have access to the pro album websites and know what they cost, and I've seen photographers charging $1,200 for an album I know cost them $400 to print. I've similarly seen some charging $40 for a print I know cost them $4. Sorry, fellow photogs, but in a post-darkroom, digital world of photoshop actions, batch editing, and easy online ordering, this is just crazy. Folks aren't going to order tangible products anymore unless you make it an appealing and affordable option. Obviously make it worth your while and get paid for the work you put into it, but realize that to compete with DIY options (admittedly lower quality across the board) you may need to cut your mark-up substantially.

     
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    PizzutiStudios       Boston Area

    @BeeM I agree, there are some lower album companies out there who charge $400 for an album. The company I choose to use because I know their albums are definitely worth the price for the quality start way above that. Not to mention the 20+ hours I work between designing it, editing the images and preparing it to be printed need to be compensated or I wouldn't be able to be a sustainable business. How much is your working time worth to you?

     
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    BeeM    October 13, 2012   North Carolina

    @PizzutiStudios: I'm not talking about lower end albums though. (kissweddingbooks, renaissancealbums, finao etc don't start way higher than that. not to let the cat out of the bag too much, but base pricing for a flush mount album from some of those companies is actually UNDER $400. there are of course tons of add ons, but still . . . $1,500 for one of them?). I of course value my time, but I also value my clients' wallets. Like I mentioned, batch editing, retouching software, and album layout templates all make our job a little easier than it used to be. I think we have to constantly adjust and be aware of what clients really want, and if we want our work to be showcased in a beautifully made album instead of a Walmart DIY project we may have to price more attractively to do that. If you're having success in your area pricing albums that way, do it for as long as you can! I'm not sure it will last in this economy. =)

     
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    @BeeM:  I don't think it's wrong for photographers to mark up pricing on products.  That is basically how the world and business works.  Depending on their cost structure, they may also be covering their time for the design and layout.  If you ever layed out an album you know how long it takes.

    As for charging 10 dollars for a 4x6, the cost adder is to cover the time it takes to retouch the photo, and manage the order.  I always give a 50% discount on multiple copies of the same print because once it's ready to print getting copies made costs me much less in overhead.

     

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