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Hi,
Been around for awhile and decided for the first time to post...
Yes, it's about The Ex. It was his first love, let's call her A, they met when they were about 18-19. He is now 28 and I am 25. She was a foreign student at the time and moved to his parent's house to live with him. They talked about marriage, they were engaged after a year of relationship. Then she had to go back to her country. They maintain LDR for a year. After that, my FI dated another girl (let's call her B) for a few months it didn't work out, and I met him after.
My FI and A maintain a friendship after they broke up, via chat, phone and skype. I must mention that it is one of the reason why FI and B broke up along other things.
At first I trully didn't mind FI and ex being friends (A and B). I didn't mind that FI and B were roomates and had the same courses and same friends and would go out just the 2 of them for coffee, sometimes we would go out together with other ppl as well. All of that I am saying to show that I wasn't the jealous type of girl. My concern is with ex A.
When we officially dated me and FI, he told A via chat. She cried even though she was with someone for over a year or two (now husband). She said she was happy for him. FI cried as well after knowing she was crying (I know this because I saw their chat), he said that his gf (me) was a too good person not to be faithfull to her, that he wanted his relationship to work out and that even if he has a gf, nothing would change between them. They kept communicating for years. During that time there were many things that bothered me. I'll post a few here..
They kept saying they miss each other (like friends), they finished chat with a kiss and a 'love u'. I told FI that I didn't approve, but he said its nothing harmful, it's in her culture to be like that, I said it's not in mine. FI had a special sound when A connected her chat, not me or anyone else. He remembered the 1st movie they watched together. Not the one WE watched together. When her chat was open, even if they werent talking, I saw him saying good night to her before going to bed. I always felt like she was still special to him. Once we were at the movies, of ocurse he couldnt answer his cell. She called multiple times. Then her MOM called asking FI why he wouldnt answer her daughter's call...(totally none of her business). She already told him she thinks he's more good looking than her bf (now hsuband). He told her she was good looking too (after seeing a pic of her, she used to send him pic regularly). She gave him her email password because she wanted him to help for something i dont remember. After a year and a half of dating, A randomly says she still cries sometimes when thinking of him. We had a lot of arguments over all of this. He thinks I am overreacting. Once, FI was drunk, he said, that A will always be special to him because this and thats...I was hurt. Time passes, they speak less (since A gets married, is that a coincidence?), I forget all about it.
At our 4th year of relationships, I start to wonder about marriage. He doesn't want marriage. But yes, he was engaged to A, had officially proposed to her in front of his family..after 1 year of relationships. I really feel like he'll never love me as much as he had loved her. Again, time passes by, he finally agrees to marry (no proposal) because he knows it's important to me. I am happy....but I feel like he does it for me, not because he wanted to like with his ex. At that time, we had agreed that he would not contact A as much as before, because it<s unhealthy for our relationships.
Then he started to recontact A, like almost everyweek, I freak. I am wondering why he does that. He doesnt really give an explanation, that he just wanted to have some news from her. Then I did it, I told him to never contact her again, I<ve had enough of it. He said okay, but still asked to have the permission to speak to her for announcing our marriage, our telling her when we<ll have kids...Why would he care enough about her after more than 7 years ...She did call him and text him a few times. Once I answered, she hung up on me. He never answers her no more. She still gives him updates of her life even if he doesnt answer her (why would she do that). Last time they spoke (he accidentally answered his phone when she called) he told her we were getting married, she asked to be invited, and said jokingly "dont worry I wont say anything at your marriage", meaning she wont oppose at our marriage, what kind of joke is that! She said that her husband couldnt probably come, for x reason (btw, she now lives in the States, I live in Canada, so she was willing to pay for airfaire, hotel to go to our wedding and FI and her never met after their breakup). FI wants to invite her, I dont. I am upset that he even wants her at our marriage. Even now he still puts her on a pedestal (or thats the feeling i have), when i say something about her, he defends her. Now because of all of this I've become jealous and insecure.. Even if he says he loves me and that there was never anything between A and him when he was with me. He admitted that his behaviour could have hurt me and apologized for that.
I want to know, am i being crazy for forbidding him to speak to her? How would you have reacted? We are now good, he doesn't mention her, we love each other and time had passed by..but I can't help but not forget about the past. How do you truly forgive ? Sorry for the long post and thanks for reading..
This would have been a deal breaker for me a long time ago. You are a saint for putting up with it as long as you did. There is no reason to have her at your wedding, ridiculous........
This is probably a great case for counseling. Even if he's "heard" your feelings and you've "heard" his reasons, it sounds like you both may need an independent third party who can help you both process everything.
It sounds like you gave him quite a bit of room to have a healthy relationship with his ex, and he may have abused that - whether he realizes it or not.
I'm not at all the jealous type, but I forbid my other half's ex from our house soon after I moved in. It wasn't because of their continued friendship, but because she walked in one day while I still had boxes in the formal living room and started going through them asking if she could have the stuff. He pointed her to the Goodwill box and told her to go for it. I was fuming. Even though I was ultimately giving the stuff away to charity, the fact that she felt it was remotely appropriate to walk into what is now my shared house, go through my things, and ask him if she can them - no, there are no polite words for what I think describes that kind of attitude.
The point was that I drew a line because of a behavior, too. Fault fell with both of them, but I pointed out that if this is the type of pushover he turned into with her around, I didn't want her in my home where it would have a direct impact on my life. If they want to see each other, he would have to go out. Fortunately, she decided that once he was no longer useful for getting free stuff, she didn't ever ask to see him again.
Asking him to agree to a line in the sand for their relationship isn't a default negative thing. I would say the biggest reasons you guys should look at talking to a neutral third party is to get help on your communication. It seems clear by the fact that he still wants her to come up to your wedding that he doesn't really understand how much this hurts you. Maybe there's a way that you could better communicate that to him in a way he'll really understand.
sounds like there is 3 people in this relationship and im with you, i would feel pissed (uncomfortable is the pc word im sure) about this
even if he has a gf, nothing would change between them.
im calling this as bullshit. when people fall in love and develop relationships everything changes because priorities change.
do you think he likes the attention he gets from her?
I dont think you are crazy at all and you went about it a lot better then what I would have!! I know how you feel. When me and my bf started to date he also had this girl that he could not get over. She left him because she changed religions and she wasn't able to see him anymore. When I first would go over to his apartment he would show my pics of her and just always talk about her. This really bothered me and he would tell me all the things he would do for her and then I compared it to our relationship. It was a big mess and we would always get into fights about it. He did tell me I was the first girl to truely make him get over her. After a year of us being together he found out she got married and it bothered him. He didn't know that I knew I found out from a mutual friend. Its been over 3 years and it still sometimes gets to me but I try my very best to just ignore and forget. I know you went through a lot more then I did and I couldn't imagine what you went through or how you felt but I give you major props dear. :) whenever you start to feel down just remember that your happy now and it's in the past. As for her coming to the wedding I would not allow it either. Good luck to you!! :)
ban him from speaking to her, he seems to be still hung up on her, if he doesn't agree, leave him
@Jacqui90: the problem with "banning" an adult from speaking to someone is... well they are adults and to be honest going by OPs description, can you trust him not to contact the ex behind OPs back?
the FI needs to understand why its hurtful and possibly damaging to their relationship and so far he seems to be more upset about not having contact with is EX than the fact the contacts upset OP/the woman he is going to marry. you dont put your EX before your person you say you love
Many years ago a counselor told my boyfriend and I that it's his job to make sure he is not doing things to cause me to feel insecure about our relationship. He maintained an inappropriate relationship with his ex and refused to stop communicating with her in a secretive manner.
Looking back at the relationship, it's night and day compared to how my husband treats me and his exes.
I don't think your insecure feelings are crazy and she should absolutely not be welcome at your wedding. I wonder if her husband is aware of this ongoing relationship??
This makes me feel so bad for you! No woman should have to feel like she's second to someone else!
You are not being crazy for wanting him to stop all communication. He's the one who's crazy for still allowing this person in his life when it obviously affects you! Someone who's completely "in it" would have cut that tie a long time ago.
So you're wondering if you're wrong to be upset that he wants to invite her to the wedding? That's the question here? Because I think the question should be whether or not you should marry someone who has made it so crystal clear that he has no plans to stop acting so innappropriately with his ex. PLEASE get premarital counseling before your wedding. If her marriage and your engagement wasn't enough to get them to stop having lovey dovey chats and phone calls and picture sending, what makes you think your wedding will be? I think it is appalling that he thinks this woman should be at your wedding when he has made it so obvious that he still has feelings for her.
@eloping: exactly why i think OP should leave the guy, but give him a chance first to show that he is over the ex and doesn't want her in their lives
@Missloveknot: <----I agree with her 100%. THis is completely unacceptable behavior. I am really sorry that he is making you feel this way. its awful :( I am sorry but it sounds like he still wants to be wiith her...
i agree with you i wouldnt want my bf ex at my wedding, he wouldnt like it if you maintained a relationship with your ex
I say instead of giving him an ultimatum, YOU leave. Give it a few weeks and see what he does. Then you can either get past this and work towards a future together or get closure and move on.
Your time, love and energy are all valuable. If this is Mr. Right, he needs a swift kick in the pants. If not, you are wasting your time being disrespected by Mr. Wrong while Mr. Right is out there waiting for you.
This story makes me sad. I hate you had to deal with that. I hope things are better, but I suggest going to counseling. It is very important and you will learn a lot about each other. You have to find it in your heart to try to let it go and to forgive him. If not, it will cause you all problems in the future. I wouldn't dare let her attend the wedding if you are not comfortable. Good luck and I hope things work out for you!
I'm sorry you're feeling hurt and disrespected over this issue, OP. Here's the thing I'm wondering, though - it seems like the FI's prior engagement fizzled because of age/distance, and I wonder whether it might bring some closure for FI and his ex to seek each other with their new partners. Or maybe I just have the Garth Brooks song "Unanswered Prayers" in my head. On the other hand, the fact that he proposed to her and never formally did to you (am I reading that right?) would have me a little nervous. I definitely agree that some couples' counseling could help you guys talk through what's going on in this situation.
I honestly don't know how you've dealt with it as long as you have. It sounds like a love triangle, but you're the third wheel. I'm sorry you've been put through this for so long. It sounds like you should move on yourself. I'm not really sure counseling will help, BUT it is worth a try. Good luck.
Here's the thing. You should be his number one, the person he loves the most. Honestly, if he's still in love with his ex after all this time, those feelings are probably never going to go away.
I HATE to say this, but I don't think I would marry him in your position. He doesn't seem to want to get married, he didn't propose, and he's in love with another woman.
Don't you want to be the love of someone's life? DOn't you want someone to be completely infatuated with you and love everything you are and never ever think about another person? Because that's what you deserve -- that's what everyone deserves, and you're not going to get it from your man.
I hope everything works out for you. And DO NOT invite this woman to your wedding. Who do you want him to be looking at, you or her?
@brandy-lynn: This is how I feel too...I was wondering if it was too harsh to say, but you worded it perfectly. You should be the love of your spouse's life, every person getting married deserves that.
I hate that women aren't allowed to oppose a relationship their SO has with another female for fear of being called "jealous". Fact of the matter is, he should have cut off this relationship with A right when you became serious/started dating. He needs to block her from all aspects of his life (via phone, internet). And you need to make sure he's fully committed to you. It doesn't seem like he is, based on this post.
Girl B cut her loses early. You got too invested and you're at a cross-roads now...
you have been way more patient than i would have been. i would totally NOT invite her to the wedding. i could only imagine what scene this attention seeking female would cause. i would have a few family members or friends on security lookout just in case she crashes it.
it does sound like she enjoys the attention she still gets from your FI. it fuels her, even though she herself is married. i bet her husband doesn't even know about how they communicate all of the time. maybe your FI enjoys the attention too. it's time to be firm and tell your FI that he can only continue a relationship with one of you. he needs to know how this is making you feel and his current actions are what will build your future together. how can you build a future by feeling betrayed or insecure? not sure when your wedding is but hopefully you will have the opportunity to go to counseling and come to terms with this situation.
I agree with PPs here. A marriage will not solve this triangle. It will make it more complicated. I would seriosuly think of postponing all wedding plans and getting some serious counselling. From the counselling you can decide whether to go ahead with the marriage or what.
You need to remember, you deserve to be happy. You deserve the full attention of your SO. And you deserve the peace of mind to know you're in a marriage where your husband isn't going to leave you when his ex divorces her husband.
I think he's still carrying a torch for her, and she for him. I think you should find someone else, who only has eyes for you.
I'm sorry hun, but I think he's only with you because he can't be with her.
He's still got feelings for her and marriage will not make this work.
Like the others have said, you've been an angel to put up with this BS. He's bad news. Get out before you get hurt.
THIS WILL NOT STOP ONCE YOU GET MARRIED.
@Wonderstruck: <- What she said.
You've given him ample opportunity to choose to put you first. He hasn't. Maybe it's because he's in love with her; maybe he's too emotionally immature to let go of her. Maybe she's just his what-if that will always haunt him. Whatever the case, that passion should be directed at you, not her. If there is someone in his history that he is not willing to give up, that person should be YOU.
Thanks for all the feedback!
To answer a pp, yes I think she likes the attention she gets and I an not sure her husband knows about it. In fact I sometime thought she acted this way because her husband (then bf) had already cheated on her, and it's her way to feel better..She said he had to marry her or she would leave him. FI even said their marriage wont last long because of that. I asked if he would go back to her if there was an opportunity, he said no ppl change with time and they were young.
One of the things that made me stay at the beggining was that I knew what she was doing and I wasn't letting her win this time (unlike B) (FI told me she was happy when he and B broke up..). But yes it was hard, and I wouldn't do it again, and he knows it.
FI already told her (even before meeting me) to be careful with her behaviour because she was in a relationship (while he wasn't). He told me he knows she's manipulative, but somehow doesn't see the harm in talking to her because there are no feelings (on his side). But I said it bothered me that he makes her happy by giving her what she wants (attention). He understood, and they stopped communicating for the ladt year. I think I need to get over it, like pp said and focus on the good things. I still feel bad for resolving this issue the way I did (by not allowing him to do something, I wish he would have done it by himself)
FI said he knows he tends to embellish the past and knows he's lucky to have me, but he doesn't know what more he can do and I need to leave the past behind. I know he's a good person, and that is really the only "problem" in our couple.
(on a funny not pp said something about security at our wedding made me smile because one of my best friend told me she and the girls would take care of her if she even dares to show up haha!)
I would also rethink marrying him. It sounds like he's idealized her to be this dream girl just out of his reach, and you're the safe girl. And of course she's devouring every minute of this attention and (IMO) wants to go to the wedding to cause some doubt/tension/entertainment for herself.
You should find someone who's head over heels for you.
My brother and his high school sweetheart have a nice friendship and our family still loves her. However, she also has a nice friendship with my brother's WIFE. My SIL is comfortable because my brother is annoyingly in love with her and also because the ex is so respectful of their relationship and genuinely wants my brother to be happy. They definitely care about each other but they don't have special ringtones for each other, goodnight messages, and conversations that end in "love you". That's just wrong. You can't ban two people from talking, they'll just do it in secret, all you can do is choose to date men who have enough respect for you that they don't carry on other relationships while they're with you. I know you said things have been ok for a while but I just think you deserve more than a man who would make you feel second best.
I would have had enough a long time ago. It sounds like he's still in love with his ex and if she hadn't moved away they would still be together. It seems like he's with you because he can't be with her? That sounds awful and I don't mean to hurt your feelings. You deserve a guy who thinks of you like your guy does of "A". You deserve to be soemone's first choice and priority.
It totally sounds like she had/has some not so pure intentions but I just wanted to bring another side to this issue because I don't think it is imposible to appropriately be friends with an ex. I also have an ex who was a first love, we dated as teenagers and then went about our lives reconnecting at times and now are good friends. He was at my wedding, I at his. We still talk on the phone and internet and still say I love you at times. I see him like family at this point as we dated at 16 and are now in our late 20s so our friendship has lasted over a decade. I agree that if we were in the same city long enough we may have gotten back together and I will always consider him my first love. I am glad my DH and he get along well because I do not think I would be happy if DH asked me to cut him out of my life. However, I do see that the difference is that in your case, she seems to want more and my ex has never made reference to getting together or anything appropriate. It is more about the idea of saying I love you in a familiar way like I do to my parents or aunts. I am sure it was hard for your FI to cut her out of his life and for that you should give him credit. He made a choice to honor your requests and put you before her when you asked him to do so. He seems to be confident they have grown in their own drections but it is hard to forget a happy past and we all tend to look back on things more positively. If you trust your FI, move forward and instead of dweling on his past relationships, realize that he has chosen you because he wants to have a life with you.
First off, I want to send you lots of love and a big giant hug. This kind of thing can be so frustrating.. because after awhile, you start to think YOU are the crazy one, and it's just not right. This post brings back that sinking gut feeling I can relate to all too well...I was with my ex for 5 long years and put up with alot of the same BS. He'd had a long term 'friend' who had had a crush on him hanging around our relationship, and his previous relationship, for years. I had never been the jealous type, but his repeated behaviour of putting her needs first throughout our relationship certainly brought those traits out in me over time.
Alot of what you're putting up with (and that's what you're doing, tolerating inappropriate behaviour), is unnecessary frustration; he's saying that he understands your feelings about it, that he doesn't want it to be a problem between you, etc. but then goes and does what he wants, right? He is putting his needs and desires above what is best for your relationship, and it shows immaturity on his part.
5 years in of similar behaviour in my own past relationship, I'd had the last straw and said it was time to put our home on the market, my resentfulness had been building so long, I was done. Only then, did he throw a thinly veiled 'I was actually starting to think of marrying you' at me (starting? wtf). Once I left, he ran to the 'just a friend' and they hooked up. I've moved on, met the real love of my life, ex and 'just a friend' married (other people), but she was still in the wedding photo of him and his new wife. I didn't know whether to send a congratulatory card or a sympathy card! I really feel for the new wife:)
Dodged that bullet, and if you can relate, and unless he's truly willing to commit to some counselling to deal with his long lost love or co-dependency issues, you should too. Best of luck, sweetie, and big, big hugs. You deserve a big hearted, real man, who's going to put you first.
@Missloveknot: agreed. I would have put my foot down a long time ago. Its obvious he still had feelings for her after all that time or else why continue to talk to her, and why want to continue to report to her with milestones???? She's not a relative who lives far away, she's an ex who has her own life, and needs to forget about him. Personally, I would not want to marry a person like that. What happens if her marriage ends,and she contacts him to let him know?
No way would I be able to trust that he's really cut off all contact with her. I really don't have any answers for you, but I hope you do what's best for you, and not stay if you truly don't think you can forgive him and trust him again
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