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    AnnieAAA    October 25, 2009   Dallas, TX

    So, my husband and I decided to start getting into brewing our own adult beverages!

    The beer is coming along, pretty well, and we are getting the hang of it. But, the cider is another story. The recipie we just tried was NOT good at all. The cider tasted like weird champagne, not hard apple cider, like we intended.

    Are there any brewing bees out there? Anybody brew hard cider? Lets share recipes of your favorite beer or cider! :)

     
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    Masala    October 22, 2011   Ohio

    I don't have any tips, but I'm interested in what others have to say. Homebrewing is awesome. I'd love to brew cider (if I had more space).

     
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    Soon2beeMrsM    October 2010   NY

    FI bought a huge beer kit but we've been too busy to make any! I'm hoping after the wedding & honeymoon he can start it up and get it out of the garage! lol.

     
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    Entangled    September 17, 2011   Carmel, CA

    We brew - it's mostly my fiance's thing, but I help out.  I've never done cider, though I think he may have.  I can ask him later today when I get home - feel free to PM me if I forget.

     
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    historienne       SF/Mendocino

    I homebrew cider.  I'm assuming here that the high alcohol content and dryness/lack of sugar is a lot of what you mean by "like weird champagne."  Personally, I like this style, and getting it is the whole reason that I brew myself rather than buying commercially available hard cider.  But if you want something that is sweeter, it's possible, although technically a bit more challenging.  The basic issue is that the same process (bottle-conditioning) that makes the cider carbonated also makes it dry.  The yeast are transforming the sugars to carbon dioxide in the bottles.  If you want there to be sugar left, you have three basic options.

    1. Get a kegging system that will allow you to force-carbonate the cider.  This will allow you use yeast that die at a moderate alcohol content, add more sugar after they die, and then carbonate the beer with a keg rather than in bottles.

    2. Back-sweeten the cider with a sweetener that yeast can't digest.  You would add the sweetener when bottling.  The yeast would convert the actual sugar to carbon dioxide, but the sweetener would remain.  I know some people use Splenda for this, there may be other options.  Personally, I don't love it as a choice, because adding artificial sweetener to my homebrew seems weird, but it might be something to research more.

    3. Use a yeast that dies at an alcohol concentration less than would be produced by the conversion of all the sugar in your original juice.  Monitor the alcohol content of the cider as it sits in the carboy closely, and make sure to transfer it into bottles while the yeast is still alive and working.  This way the yeast will continue to ferment in the bottles, but only up to a point, and will then die and fall out leaving some sugar still in the cider. This is the option that will probably produce the best results, but it requires careful calculations (of the original sugar content, and of the alcohol content through the brewing process) and monitoring.  It will also leave you with some sediment in the bottle.

    ETA: if you want to follow up the technical information, i highly recommend the cider pages at the northern brewer forums, http://forum.northernbrewer.com/

     
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    AnnieAAA    October 25, 2009   Dallas, TX

    @historienne: You are excatly right, it is very dry and not "sugary" we didn't realize it was supposed to be like this, lol! Thanks for your options!! Intially, we were thinking the sugar in the juice would keep it sweeter given that the rest of the sugar would convert into carbon dioxide; but didn't realize it would break down too. 

    We will eventually get a keg, but right now, since we're just getting into it, we are sticking with the bottling. We might be able to swing option 3, since its the best. Do you have a specific yeast recommendation?

    In our initial batch we used champagne yeast, which is why my husband thought it was so dry.

     
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    historienne       SF/Mendocino

    Your husband is right. In general, an ale yeast (or one specifically for cider) might be better.  Something for wine or champagne is going to tolerate a much higher level of alcohol.  This forum thread has some suggestions: 

    http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f32/semi-sweet-bottle-conditioned-cider-yeast-trials-58656/

    You can also do a varient of this technique where you bottle the cider, open a bottle every so often to test the sweetness/carbonation, and when you get to the level you like, kill the yeast with heat.  Some people have suggested running bottles through your dishwasher, although I might be a little scared to do that.

    Another point with cider is that the quality of the initial apple juice matters a lot, especially if it end up on the dryer side.  Once the sugar is gone, it really starts to matter how good the original juice was.  Now is a great season to get good fresh juice (ie, non-hard cider) from local sources in most parts of the country, and it really makes a difference.  Good luck!  It's so rewarding to drink stuff you've made yourself

     
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    Entangled    September 17, 2011   Carmel, CA

    @historienne: Whoa - that's awesome.  Is it wrong that I kind of want to stalk you and try your cider now?

    I believe lactose is a non-fermentable sugar that can be used.  There may be others, because personally I am lactose intolerant and really would not like to find that in my beer or cider.

     
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    Aleanan    September 25, 2010   South Carolina

    My hubby (it is so awesome to say that!!!!) is a homebrewer. He brews beer mostly but has dabbled in cider. I will get his input and get back to ya!

     
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    TealChocolate    December 4, 2010   Columbus, OH

    LOVE home brewing! If you're looking for something sweeter, try an "apfelwein". They're super easy to brew and pretty tasty! Northern Brewer has an excellent selection, but if you know your stuff it's usually cheaper order the ingredients seperately. Otherwise, definitely go with the kits. What kind of beer are you brewing? We're doing 3 for our wedding - a Sierra Nevada style pale ale, a honeyed orange peel/cinnamon/clove amber or brown and big, "smack you in the tongue" India Brown Ale. Mr. C is a total hophead, can you tell? :) Saved us a TON of money on the bar fees too - always a good deal.

     

    Three cheers for home brewing! Good luck!

     
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    AnnieAAA    October 25, 2009   Dallas, TX

    @historienne: Thanks for the links! And the yeast tip! I'm excited to make our second batch :)

     
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    tallgal    10.10.09  

    I'm so excited to see so many homebrewing bees!  I got my husband started about two years ago and now we not only keg but also grow our own hops!  Yeah for homebrewers!

     
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    AnnieAAA    October 25, 2009   Dallas, TX

    @ TealChocolate : Oooohh Honey Orange sounds yummy! Let me know how it turns out!

    Our first batch was just a standard bock, it was okay, nothing special, plus we didn't use a grain mixture, so it was just eh. But we just finished brewing our "Fall Festival" beer which is a pumpkin ale with cinnamon, nutmeg, and ginger! It smelled sooo good!! I can't wait to try it!

     
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    Glad I was helpful.  It's funny, I actually don't do most of this stuff just because we make pretty dry ciders on purpose (my husband is English and really misses the style of cider you can get there) but I really enjoy figuring out how it all works.  But there are lots of people on the brewing forums with way more experience than me, I definitely recommend poking around there for awhile to get a sense of the options.  

    @Entangled: good to know about the lactose.  While it's definitely a drawback that so many people can't eat it, it does sound like a better option for those who can than Splenda!

     
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    TealChocolate    December 4, 2010   Columbus, OH

    @AnnieAAA: That Fall Festival sounds mouth-watering! In fact, my mouth is watering lol. I'm off to one of our local breweries for their latest "Hop Odyssey" release. They've been releasing a distinct hop beer every month and tonight's is their "Super Fresh H-O-P" - all Ohio grown hops pulled right off the vine and put in at flameout for some insane hop flavor. A very nice way to end a crazy day, if I do say so myself!

     

    @tallgal: we grew our own hops this year as well, but they turned out pretty puny and light. Any tips??

     
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    lezlers    April 3, 2011   California

    My FI and I want to do a "wedding brew" for the big day.  Haven't a clue how to go about it so I'm VERY interested in this thread! The honeyed orange brew sounds OUTSTANDING!

     
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    peaches1038    July 9, 2011   Southern Tier, NY

    My FI brews a lot and he found that using organic, non-filtered apple juice works the best for the ciders. We buy ours at Whole Foods and it always turns out yummy!

     
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    TealChocolate    December 4, 2010   Columbus, OH

    @lezlers: Check out Northern Brewer's website (www.northernbrewer.com) or William's Brewing  - personally prefer NB, but William's has some good starter equipment and kits, plus the first batch usually comes with a cheesy, made in the 70's, how-to DVD that is pretty helpful. 

     

    What kind of beers do you like? April's usually the time I start drifting out of the darker, wintery beers into something a little lighter and hoppier. Knowing what you currently like can guide you in choosing which beer would be good. There are also lots of flavor extracts for sale on these sites, so if you were interested in doing a flavored brew they provide all the info for that as well. Have fun with it! :)

     

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