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    serabell    May 22, 2010   Oregon

    So the rescue pup Piddles I was told was housebroken is not (ohh how well that name suits her). This is a huge problem:

    1. My dog Hayley will start peeing in the house (know this for a fact) & once this happens, she won't stop.

    2. I'm afraid my cats will start spraying (probably an even worse issue than Hayley peeing)

    I told the owner that if the dog was housebroken & got along with my other pets, I could watch her for 4 months. Idk what to do :(.

    Problem:  I will take Piddles outside on a long-ish walk (20-25 minutes) & she will sniff around. Once I bring her inside, she pees :(. Its either at home or at work. I've only had her since Tuesday. She did this Tues night, Wed morning, Thurs night & Fri morning.

    Example: I took her out, she peed a lot, I walked her around a tiny bit more & nothing. We go in & she pees on the carpet. 10 hours since the previous "accident", she hadn't gone potty. I took her on a 20 minute walk & nothing, so I put her in the kennel for probably 25 minutes. We go in the car, get to work & I walk her for 5 minutes, still nothing. We go in & within 5 minutes she pees inside :(. There's no warning.

    I let Piddles out every 4-6 hours for 10-25 minutes. Every time she wakes up from a nap, after she eats, & all the times they say to let your dog out while housebreaking. Every time she does go I say "potty" while she's going. I praise her a lot when she's done & say "good girl" & pet her. We play a little outside & then go in.

    When she pees inside, I will firmly say "no!" & she knows she's bad (she slinks down). I take her outside & just stand in the yard for 5-10 minutes. I don't want her to associate peeing inside as a chance to go on another walk.

    I can't bring her to work if she keeps doing this. If she pees 1 more time at work, she can't come with me. Meaning she'll have to be locked in the kennel for 8 hours (its a 10x10 foot kennel with an igloo dog house). She barks & howls when in the kennel. I would hate to leave her in the kennel all day, but idk what else to do.

     
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    mwitter80    December 11, 2010   Connecticut

    One of the first things you'll want to do is effectively remove all
    odors from areas where she has had an accident.  A dog may be
    triggered to urinate indoors by the smell of the spot where he
    previously went.  A dog's sense of smell is 200 times greater than a
    human nose!

    Two well known products that are good odor neutralizers are Nature's
    Miracle Stain & Odor Remover, and Un-Duz-It.  Vets can also recommend
    efficient products.

    When cleaning up accidents in your home, Do not use ammonia-based
    products, as their odor resembles urine and may draw your dog back to
    urinate in the same spot again.

    When outside choose the spot were you want her to do her business
    carefully and she should be taken out on leash to the same designated
    spot each time.

    This is not walk time or play time; stand in approximately the same
    spot and wait for your dog to eliminate. If she does, praise her
    enthusiastically. Don?t immediately rush back into the house with her.
    Because she will learn to hold on and not eliminate so that she can
    get more time outdoors. Instead walk a few minutes or give her a
    minute or two of playtime.

    When she has successfully peed and pooped outside, don?t fully clean
    up the spot, but leave a trace of urine or feces to provide a scent
    that will remind her what she is supposed to do there.

    There may be an occasional accident in the house. If there is one
    don?t hit, don't yell, and don't rub her nose in it.

    Dogs cannot make a connection between your punishment and earlier behavior.

    The result of hitting, yelling and punishment will eventually lead to
    her being afraid of you.  Just clean up the mess without making a
    fuss, and apply one of the odor eliminators/neutralizers.

    If you actually catch your dog in the act of eliminating inside the
    house, interrupt her and take her outside to the proper place (without
    harsh words or punishment). If she eliminates outside, praise her.
    Remember to be patient, some dogs take longer than others to
    housebreak.

    Learn to use the same simple words for accidents and for praise.

    "Nah nah" or "No", for accidents. 

    "GOOD GIRL" or "GOOD DOG" or "GOOD (name)"  Praise with joy and
    enthusiasm in your voice.  Smile!

    Eventually you can get her to go on demand, by teaching her simple
    words for elimination. "Go Potty", "Go Poop", "Make Pee".

    If you are consistent, watchful, and use the crate, a dog can usually
    be housebroken in couple of weeks.

     
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    mwitter80    December 11, 2010   Connecticut

    I meant to put before my post that I had the same issue with a rescue and this is what my vet sent me. It was so frustrating to stand there at times, but eventually she was fully housebroken.

     
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    serabell    May 22, 2010   Oregon

    Thank you!!!

    I'm not sure what the carpet cleaner I used was, but she keeps going in a different spot than last time (2 different spots at home, 2 different spots at work). At home, I know it doesn't smell like pee because the previous owners never had a pet & they steam cleaned it right before I moved in. My pets have never peed on the carpet so there wouldn't be an "original" spot. I also have a special odor neutralizer but idk the name of it off hand.

    I did all of the other things you listed, except the crate. The owner has no money to give me for the dog crate. I know DH isn't happy & if she pees in the house 1 or 2 more times, than we can't keep her in carpeted areas, the only place that leaves us is the laundry room & that's not a good place to keep the pup :(.

    EDIT: Ohh ok, thank you for passing that info on to me! I don't mind standing out there, but when we go in the house she goes. I understand an accident or 2, but she keeps going inside right after I let her out for awhile.

     
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    mwitter80    December 11, 2010   Connecticut

    @serabell: We didn't have any other pets and our carpets were throw rugs. I also bought this Arm and Hammer plus oxi-clean powder and put it all over the carpets, to neutralize any odors.

     
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    Pugsandkisses      

    My dog is recovering from kidney stones, so we have dealt with constant urination in the house, which has been horrible because we don't want to get mad at her about it since she was straining to urinate and in pain.  Finally, she is feeling better and is back to her normal housebroken habits thank godness.  One suggestion I have is using a training spray.  When we were pad training the dog it worked very well, and we have a great spot outside that we would spray and she started knowing that it was her spot.  The spray reaks to high heavens, but seems to help in having the dog understand where to pee. 

     

    Here is a link to a similar product:

     

    http://www.amazon.com/Simple-Solution-Puppy-Training-Ounces/dp/B0002APQ5W

     

    Good luck!

     
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    serabell    May 22, 2010   Oregon

    I will definately try to reclean the carpet with something like that. I wish I could afford one of those steam cleaners cause that would probably destroy any odors! I used Lysol disinfectant last night.

    So you're dog would just pee in the house even after walks? How long did it take before he stopped going inside?

     
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    serabell    May 22, 2010   Oregon

    @Pugsandkisses: Do I need to spray it on a pad inside also? Or just spray it outside & then walk her over by the spray? Thank you! I will try my store & see if they carry that. Sorry your dog had kidney issues :(. Glad she's doing better! What causes kidney stones in dogs? My dog had a urinary tract infection & she peed inside once & I got mad at her, then I took her to the vet & found out she was sick & I felt horrible for getting mad. She's all better too.

     
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    How old is your dog?? I remember feeling really frustrated (just like you) with ours in the beginning bc it felt like she just. wasn't. getting. it...And then, one day, she did! But the meantime is really hard bc you don't see much progress.It sounds like you're doing everything right but if she's really a puppy, it just takes time!

    I have heard that using the crate can be a good training tool, since dogs instinctively won't go where they sleep...Could you get a dog walker for a month or two and then have her crated for like, 4 or 5 hours at a time? That's what we did...

    I hope it works out for you, good luck!! 

     

     
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    serabell    May 22, 2010   Oregon

    @trailmix: So this is common? I've never had a puppy. I mean, I had one as a 13 year old but I don't remember much about training. Since then, I've always gotten rescue dogs & mine was already housebroken. She's around 9 months & lab/husky mix. She doesn't look like a puppy, she's as big as my 8 year old dog! That's a good idea about the dog walker, I have a few friends that would probably help. They both LOVE dogs too but can't have dogs at their place. I didn't even think of that!

     
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    lefeymw    April 16, 2011   CT

    We had to treat our dog. Give her treats when she when outside helped a lot.

    We had similar problems with our puppy and the breeder recommended to not let the dog unattended (ours is small so we carried her) or put her in her crate until she went the bathroom when we knew she had to go. dont give her a chance to have an accident.  and then treat her when she goes.  It was a pain in the ass, but it worked after a couple of days.

    We also have to bring our down out about every 1.5 hours when we are home to prevent accidents.

     

     
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    serabell    May 22, 2010   Oregon

    @lefeymw: That sounds good, I will try to not give her a chance to go in the house. If she won't go outside, I'll keep her in the laundry room (she sleeps there so I don't think she'd pee there).

     
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    cvbee    August 13, 2010   canada

    Good luck.  Great advice there with the cleaning. 

    I've just had a litter of puppies...they are 7 weeks old now. 

    Dogs naturally do not want to pee where they sleep...I can attest to this, as the puppies have never 'done their business' in their bed since they were old enough to crawl (and couldn't even see yet!). 

    I would suggest crate training. As soon as you take the dog out of the crate, go walking outside and let them do the business. 

    Have you tried puppy pads?  These 7 week old pups are too much for me to handle actually crate training them, but we put out puppy pads for them and most of the puppies only pee and poo on the pads.  One of the boys pees a little more here, there, and everywhere, but even he uses the pads about 50 percent of the time.  

    Good luck!  I feel for you with the carpets. We only have carpets upstairs and our big dog went up to pee there when she had a bladder infection.  Now we have a gate to prevent her from ever going upstairs again.  Carpets are so hard to clean.  We rented a steam cleaner and used the 'nature's miracle' stuff to get the pee smell out, but we still do not trust her. 

    Good luck lady.

     
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    DiamondsandLace    May 2011  

    I have to strongly endorse crate training too! It doesn't hurt their feelings to keep them in there or in the laundry room - as long as you give them plenty of attention and playtime at other points in the day, dogs want and need their own "den" where they can go to sleep and eat.

    We have two crates for my 8 month old puppy - one in the mudroom and one in the bedroom. I take her outside first thing in the morning and first thing when we get home from work, and she knows the sooner she "goes potty" the sooner she'll get her breakfast or dinner! It didn't take her long to catch on when food was involved.

    I was very, very firmly opposed to any kind of verbal punishment for accidents and practiced several months of positive reinforcement (treats and "good girls!" when she went outside), but she still had a few at 7 months and one day, when she was caught in the act, my fiance just yelled at her and then we ignored her for a bit. She hasn't had an accident since!

    Crate training, associating going potty outside with being fed, and the ocassional scolding when you catch her doing it seem to work wonders! Good luck!!

     
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    serabell    May 22, 2010   Oregon

    @lefeymw: This is working great! I let her out & if she doesn't go, I leave her in the laundry room (where she sleeps) & there have been no accidents since. When she does go, I let her in the rest of the house & she is happy to be with everyone :). This saved my sanity this weekend, thank you!

    @cvbee: This helped, although I can't use the puppy pads. The only place I could put them is on the living room carpet or in the laundry room. That's where the doors are. I don't want to get her accustomed to peeing in the living room & if she started peeing in the laundry room/ her bed, that wouldn't work. If our house was set up differently, this would work wonderfully!

    @DiamondsandLace: If the owner had the money for a crate, I'd so do this! Sadly, funds are very low. DH has a costly dental appointment next week & crates are $100-200 & we don't have that :(. However, I am giving her treats when we come back inside after she goes & she seems to really enjoy that! Also, when I say "go potty" when I let her out she starts to sniff the grass & then goes shortly afterward :).

    Also, Piddles will start to bark/howl/whine in the middle of the night when she has to go. So this is good :).

    THANK YOU everyone! If this weekend went anything like last week went, I was going to have the owner find someone else to watch Piddles. Things seem to be ok as far as housebreaking :)!

     

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