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posted 3 years ago in The Lounge
Post # 3
Member
10748 posts
Sugar Beekeeper
  • Wedding: February 2014

This sounds a lot like a certain system we have going on in Canada. And it pisses me off to no end. I wish some politician would just have the balls to put the issue to a vote because I’m 110% sure it would pass. I don’t know a single person who agrees with it. Unfortunately nobody will ever do that probably… such a waste of my tax money. 

Post # 4
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2162 posts
Buzzing bee
  • Wedding: June 2014

I’m not opposed to people receiving aid, but this situation sounds really messed up. If they can buy those things, they should not accept aid for four people, they should only accept it for the one who is handicapped. If they stop receiving benefits now, there’s really no harm done. They can always reapply for aid when their situation calls for it. If they get caught doing this, it is fraud and they will pay for it and they will lose everything, and never be able to receive any kind of help in the future.

Post # 6
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4410 posts
Honey bee
  • Wedding: September 2010

@elliptical2013:  it’s hard to comment because your understanding of this family’s situation sounds like it’s completely based in hearsay, and 1-sided hearsay at that. I’m not saying that to be rude to you, just pointing out that there is likely a lot more to this story than you (or we) know. 

 

Post # 8
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7195 posts
Busy Beekeeper
  • Wedding: November 1999

@elliptical2013:  I’m trying to understand what the problem is. They receive legal payments, and were fortunate enough to benefit from a legal life insurance payment. How they use these legal payments is their business, surely.

I have a lot of sympathy for parents of disabled children.

Post # 9
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5192 posts
Bee Keeper
  • Wedding: April 2013

@elliptical2013:  Based on they way you’ve characterized it here (and I understand that reality may be more complicated than that) I think that BOTH the system and the people who take advantage of it are trash.

Obviously you should not set up a system so that people are incentivized to take advantage of it.  This seems to be a huge problem in the USA (I do not know first hand, but I hear this all the time).

However, even if the system exists, I cannot and will not let someone off the hook (morally) for taking advantage of it.  If you can retire on your own money and on a well thought out and honestly purchased insurance policy?  Great.  Good for you.  If you are doing this on a fraudulent claim on government aid (I’m not sure, but it sounds like this is what your saying) then SHAME on you.

I believe that most people have an internal drive to do well by themselves and will not try to game the system.  Some people will, but our society depends on human nature being better than that.

Post # 10
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1463 posts
Bumble bee
  • Wedding: August 2012

I don’t know how people can get away with this; it seems a little unbelievable.  My mom has been taking care of my severely disabled sister for decades and had to make poverty-level wages to qualify for my sister’s medical care.  My mom now lives on a modest social security income and my sister gets a modest amount in social security disability. They are in no way, shape, or form living an envious lifestyle.

 

Post # 14
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5192 posts
Bee Keeper
  • Wedding: April 2013

@elliptical2013: 

“The mom and dad sometimes work under a family member or friend’s name and social security (I DONT KNOW HOW?) so as to not claim any income.”

People like that are absolute scum.  I know that’s an inflamatory thing to say, but I wont back down from that opinion.  It’s these imoral people who ruin these systems for those who truely need them.  How can they live with themselves?

Post # 15
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2162 posts
Buzzing bee
  • Wedding: June 2014

@elliptical2013:  I believe that assistance should be available to anyone who needs it, whether they have children or not.  I do believe that you should be able to claim caring for your handicapped child as your “job”. However, I think the pay should be adjusted based on the amount and type of care delivered to the child (or even a handicapped adult) and the caregiver should have some special training for working with the specific disability. A social worker should make a quarterly visit to the home to assess the necessity of continued financial assistance. Just my opinion.

Post # 16
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4076 posts
Honey bee
  • Wedding: November 1999

@elliptical2013:  I don’t think you or your friend really know enough about this person’s situation to be making judgments. Your friend is right that they should stop being friends or being in touch with the family, since it is obviously causing him mental stress to see people in (what he perceives to be ) their sitatution. 

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