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I got a lot less than we expected for having 2 photographers all day, about the same amount you did. I asked for copies of ALL the pictures even if they were bad because there were some key pictures missing (one of my family and his all together) after and was told that they only edit the pictures they choose that are best and its their policy not to release the others (even though I said it was for personal use only, not to be published). I get it and I dont at the same time. I love the pictures we did get but wish I could see the others one too.
But to make matters worse, I was totally bitter when my SIL/BIL capitalized on this with their photos (same photographer as us) - they knew how upset we were and made sure to tell the photographer they want pics even if people arent looking at the camera or have their eyes closed because its candid - and they got nearly double the amount we did! I mean, good for them they got more pics because they spoke up but I wish we had thought to say something (but obviously wouldnt know any better since our wedding was first). Im not mad at them for saying something, just upset we didnt have the opportunity to do so and got less pics and paid more money.
Just want to point out that I mentioned there are instances where that isn't the case. There are times that people have "good" 2nd's who just don't want to be in business. A case like was pointed out where 2 photogs marry. Cases like I do on occasion where I go to help a "friend" who can't get a 2nd.
HOWEVER, the overwhelming majority of the time 2nd's are not to be thought of as "pro's." In fact, in photographer forums there are posting where hundreds are putting their name out there to try and get a 2nd shooting gig. I see their portfolio's and no one in there would match my quality. I've hired 2nd and will hire a 2nd when my clients want them, but I'm not hiring another "me."
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I don't think anyone would want to receive ALL the images a photographer captured, because most of them aren't "view-worthy" anyway.
I think 460 is not a paltry number, but if you do feel that vital moments were missing, it may be useful to see if the photographer can provide more images. I'm sure she picked those 460 as the 'best of' your wedding and her absolute favorites.
I hope you managed to resolve this. But I do wish to add that it's really quality over quantity. Our photog returned us 5,500 raw images in addition to the 500 edited ones because my husband is a fellow professional. We did not have fun at all going through 5,500 images, although, i do agree with you, that we did uncover a lot of images that we liked but did not make the photographer's cut.
Hope you got what you wanted in the end!
I want to point out one other thing that may be a difference of opinion between brides and photographers. To say that 1,000 or 2,000 photos to sort through would be overwhelming to us as brides simply underestimates our attention to detail and commitment to our photos.
I sorted through all my photos and loved that I had the opportunity to do so! There are so many little gems and forgotten moments in there that I stumbled across in looking through them... and at least a couple of them made it into our album
We are Weddingbees after all, and obsessed with every aspect of our weddings!!!
My second shooter and I generally take around 2000-2500 photos during a 10 hr wedding, and then edit them down to 800-1000 photos for the couple, so these edits should be "good" You shouldn't expect all photos to be amazing, but they should all be ones that you would want to keep. Some photographers edit down more to make themselves look even better...but I feel like brides like having more photos. I know I did for my own wedding, even if they weren't frame worthy, I liked seeing moments I missed etc...
What everyone must realize is that photographers maybe choose 10 or less photos from each wedding to display on their site or portfolio, so out of how many are taken it is quite extreme!
Not every photo from your wedding will look like these photos you see on sites, but you should be happy with the overall product. If you aren't ,you should contact the photographer to see if he can give you the "throw aways". Some may be willing, some not!
Cindy
I need to say as a pro wedding photographer, all you gals got lucky. Normal photographers in the biz don't typically give out 400+ photos. And I don't think any of you girls realize how long it takes (weeks to months) to edit that many photos. Topic Creator stated her photographer picked HER favorites with no regard to what she wanted. That is simply not true. We are using our professional opinions regarding lighting, facial expressions, story telling, etc. to give you the best photos, not just what we personally like. You have trust that we do know what we are doing. And here it is, because it takes so long to edit photos, we can't give you a lot. And most photogs won't show you the unedited ones because... well...you wouldn't want to see a painting before its done would you? Basically, what you are doing is basically chosing quanity over quality when your asking for 1000 photos. Before hiring someone, try asking your photog to see someone else's online gallery to see how many images (a wedding your size) you will receive, and ask, is this the amount I will get? Every photographer is different and so is every wedding.
In regards this: "I take about 200 photos everytime I go out with my girls for crying out loud!"
Hon, you are not taking the time to think carefully plan your shots regarding composition, lighting, and MANY other things. You aren't dealing with metering, depth of field, focusing, external flashes. All these things take time. There is a reason why we photographers do this for a living. You going out with your friends, well, your just snapping away, so of course your going to get 200 photos in just an hour. Your photog will vary. Everyone has a different shooting style. Some will not shoot very many at all. Some will shoot too much.
@KLP2010: That's a pretty blanket statement, and it's not entirely accurate, especially as it pertains to husband and wife teams. There usually is a lead photographer, but to say that the second photographer has no experience or is only contributing 10% of the photos definitely does NOT apply to all photography companies. Many second shooters are photographers who work as full time lead photographers for their own businesses, but just happen to be free on the day the other photographer hired them.
Industry standard average is around 40-60 pictures per hour per photographer. But the correct answer is, they should supply as many images as they need to and little as they can to tell the complete story of your day Newer, less experienced photographers tend to overshoot. They also have difficulty deciding what to keep and what not to, so end up giving the client thousands of pictures. Conversely, it's common for high end photographers to supply 250 proofs for a full coverage wedding. The proofs are just that, proofs.......a sampling and variety of images of your day. You are not supposed to love them all. Out of these, the hope is you can find 80-120 images that you really like for your album that tell the story or your day.
We got back 150 edited photos. Our wedding was super tiny & he got most of the shots I requested. Plus we basically got him for free & the photos were really good, so I was very happy with what he gave us.
It was supposed to be a minimum of 350...and while I did get back 360, that includes about 50 I absolutely hate and don't understand why they're in there. Backs of heads, blinking people, 20 of the musician with his guitar, etc. Blah. At least I got really great ones of the 'getting ready' from earlier in the day.
I got 760 and I thought it was a ton! We had him for about 8 hours, I can't imagine having over 1000! It will be hard enough to pick 50 for the album from what i have!
@USER876: +1
I'm actually horrified at the number of people who say they're getting 1500+ images back from their photographer. It's no wonder the industry is going down in flames! I also want to highlight what @USER876: said here:
Newer, less experienced photographers tend to overshoot. They also have difficulty deciding what to keep and what not to, so end up giving the client thousands of pictures.
This tends to be true. Now, I know someone is going to rebut that, and that's fine. In MY expereince that tends to ring true. There is a sentimate amoung photographers who have been doing this a long time that the digital age has produced sloppy photographers. Now before someone comes in and says "no way, that's not true", I mean that back in the days of film, photographers really had to think out their shots. They weren't just snapping away - everything was calculated to take lighting, facials, compostion, etc into consideration. A lot of new photographers shoot EVERYTHING, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but they also show everything. We're all guilty of it. When I transitioned from film to digital, my first few digital weddings I WAY overshot. It happens.
I usually average about 100 images/hour in a final gallery - so getting just shy of 700 for a 7 hour wedding is right about in line. I never gurantee a certain amount, and I also tell my couples that every wedding is different. I've had weddings that were so happening I proofed more than 100/hr. There have been plenty of weddings where NOTHING was going on at the reception and that results in fewer images. It's unfortunate, but you can't shoot what isn't happening.
@starfish0116: +100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
Many of these new photographers would be out of business in the film days with the cost of developing. You really had to plan your shots and not click the shutter until everything was perfect.
I also agree with the statement above that not all 2nd shooters are newbies with no experience. Bottom line, find out who you are getting.
My FI is a photographer, and typically when he does weddings he only gives them about 900 photos, but shoots about 2500 photos. I think 500 pictures would be fine as long as they captured all of your special moments, and they looked nice :) It's quality that matters, not quantity!
Also, most of the photographers I know hire college students as second shooters, and its true they typically don't have as much experience but are still pretty good. I had my FI teach me how to shoot, and took a few photography classes so I work as his second shooter. But just because you have 2 shooters doesn't mean you should be getting a lot more photos. They are there to help the main photographer catch important moments in case theirs doesn't turn out the way they want.
Sorry to hear that. I'd be more upset in the gaps of types of photos than a smaller number. It seems like, theoretically, 400 should be enough to capture the moments. But with you missing key scenes, that's disappointing. Maybe there are some from your friends?
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