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I got married a little over a week ago. The wedding was wonderful and we are still in the blissful newlywed stage. Since the wedding I feel like our relatinship has been renewed, like we fell in love all over again. In the 6+ years we've been a couple I haven't been happier, but today something happened that made me feel completely deflated.
A lttle background info - I come from a broken family where my mom worked hard to support my sister and I alone. She instilled in us strong work ethics and I have always believed in working hard to earn the things you have/want.
My husband has a "baby" sister (she is 21, I am 28 and DH is 33). She is is nice person but also a big time freeloader. She lived with us for a while about 2 years ago because she didn't want to live with her parents anymore. After 6 months of not doing anything, my husband (then fiance) told her she needed to get a job or move out. So what did she do? She moved out into her friend's 1 bedroom apartment and crashed on the couch. That only lasted a few months, after that she eventually moved back in with her parents. They also told her she had to get a job, so she found a job at the mall where they only needed her twice a week - the easiest nonjob she could find just to say she has one.
In addition to living off other people, she also freeloads other things - food, rides, gas money, clothes, basically whatever she can get. I mean, when I was 21 I had a full time job, went to school, lived on my own (with roommates, but I paid rent). However, like I said earlier she is a nice and even funny girl, but her lack of ambition drives me crazy.
Today she called DH saying she needed a ride home from work because she was "stranded". We had been running errands all day and were on our way to pick up some food, but we weren't too far away so we picked her up. After we picked her up we went to a drive-thru deli to buy food. Out of courtesy DH asked her if she wanted anything. Of course she jumped on the offer, ordered the most expensive thing on the menu, a side dish, chips, and a drink. All I ordered was one small sandwich, nothing else (I had a bottled water). It's not that we can't afford it, but we are money conscious and trying to save up since we spent so much on the wedding.
I was hungry and irritable, so I admit I made some not-so-nice comments (sort of half jokingly). First comment I made was "Gee, do you really need the large sandwich? It wouldn't hurt you to have a small you know." After she ordered the next item I said "Wow do you really need that potato salad too?" As DH handed his sister the large coke she ordered, I said "A coke too? That won't soak up the grease from the chips." I laughed as I said this.
So then DH looked at me and jokingly said "Hey - you're the one that couldn't fit into your wedding dress!"
I was completely shocked, angry, and hurt. Let me say that his sister is NOT fat at all. I wasn't trying to imply that she was fat. I was trying give her hints that she was taking advantage of our hard earned money.
Looking back, I can definitely see how they both would have taken it that way (that I was calling her fat). But I didn't know how else to say, "Hey stop mooching off of us and buy your own damn food!"
I understand that DH loves his sister and felt the need to defend her. But I am his wife now - he knows how I feel about her freeloading - and I feel like he should be on MY side. It made me so sad.
I also know it was just a joke, because I'm not the least bit overweight and I fit in my dress just fine. I know he thought I looked beautiful on our wedding day, so that is not the issue.
Later I told him how his words hurt me, and he apologized. He said he didn't realize what I was getting at and he thought I was just trying to be mean by calling her fat.
Even though he apologized I still feel so hurt and upset. I feel like our blissful bubble just burst because he sided with his sister over me.
I'm still angry at him for saying what he said so close to the wedding. I feel like he sort of trivialized our wedding, and now it somehow doesn't feel as special because he's already making jokes about the day.
Am I completely overracting? Did I have this coming for being way out of line? Any honest opinions are welcome. I just need to know if I should be as upset as I am at him or if I should be the one to apologize.
I would be upset too however you were completely in the wrong making those comments. Until the very end I thought you were in fact meaning those comments in regards to weight. If my DH kept pestering my sister like that I think I would snap to defense too. In the future keep negative comments to yourself and if your upset about her freeloading off you guys then discuss it with him. It doesn't sound like his parents are doing anything really to help combat her behavior and really it's not your responsibility.
Oh my... any negative comment about how a woman looked in her wedding dress is definitely a low blow. I would definitely be hurt, but I think you might have to chalk this one up to both of you shooting your mouths off without thinking.
Honestly, and don't take this the wrong way, I think you are overreacting. This is just a case of miscommunication (intentions behind the words). One of the qualities I love about my FI is that when I am make comments that may seem out of line, he calls me out on it and vice versa. It seems to me that your husband is a great guy bc he stood up for a loved one when he thought they were being picked on. Unfortunately, he misconstrued what you were saying bc you weren't forthright, and it was unfortunte you were the one he thought was making the "mean comments." I don't think it's so much of him taking her side but his instincts kicking in. He is her older brother after all. Granted, his comment wasn't nice either. Next time, don't be so passive aggressive. Spit it out. It'll save you both drama of misunderstandings. As for the honeymoon phase, if you let this fester mentally, it will impact the bliss your experiencing. You discussed it, he apologized, move on, and enjoy your life together.
I completely disagree with the previous poster. She is going to do what others allow her to do. By giving in to her and buying everything for her she will continue to live off of other people instead of growing up and paying for things herself. My FI is the same way. He keeps buying things for his family because they are "family". At some point you have to cut these people off and make them live on their own means.
@soonerbride: Just to clarify, I'm not saying the OP overreacted to her SIL mooching off on her. I am speaking of overeacting in thinking hubby picked sister over her. I'm all for OP to take a stance against SIl's mooching. Just don't do it passive aggressively bc it leads to misunderstanding.
@soonerbride: No one is saying to let her continue to freeload. In fact not one of us said that. Just bc OP wants to stop it doesn't mean she had the right to say those things especially since they could be so misinterpreted. She could have phrased things better or not said anything at all and then discussed it with her husband to not buy her stuff anymore.
I know you wrote this post to get honest feedback. So, honestly, Yes I think you are over reacting. I think your words were hurtful as well. I think your DH was trying to make light of the situation and give you the same treatment you were giving his sister.
Now on the other hand. OMG I KNOW HOW YOU FEEL! UGH! my FI has sisters.... last summer we drove 1500 miles to go to on a family vacation - paid for everything ourselves (didnt tell his family that FI just got laid off and this was super expensive for us, just kept it to ourselves) and one of his sisters.... drove about 1000 miles, so i understand, but came with NOTHING no food nothing! and expected FI to buy them (her DH mind you this was the first time the entire family was meeting her DH and his kids) we spent $150 on groceries for them. and then a few days later we all went to a dinner at a nice place knowing someone else was paying, my FI and I ordered reasonable meals and had water. They had the most expensive meals on the menu nd each had drinks - I just was shocked. Then we were all invited to go to a movie, (we were told that someone else was paying) so then when we got there we were informed that the person originally paying wasnt going to and they got MAD! I was like seriously? I dont get it! I seriously wanted to tell them SHUT UP- stop MOOCHING - good greif we bought you groceries and your brother doesnt even have a JOB anymore! grow up...
but I didnt as I didnt --- I REALLY wanted to! I can really understand why you felt the way you did, but I think my FI probably would have reacted as yours did. Even though you are his lovely wifey, its a connection between family that has a way of making you defend them even when you didnt think you would!
Thank you for the honest opinions. I probably should not have phrased it the way I did. I was just so frustrated - this has been an ongoing thing. Even after she move out of our house for the past 2 years she has still taken so much from us and never given anything back (DH bought her a cell phone b/c she lost hers and had no money to replace it, everytime she comes over she eats our food, leaves her dishes for us to clean up, on several occasions he gave her money b/c she spend her paycheck on nail polist, etc etc.)
I'm still upset, but starting to put things in perspective...
@hduras54: its very understandable! we are girls!!!! and sometimes the slightest things we can take the wrong way. it doesnt make us wrong, just girlie! :)
Yeah. It sounds like just a misunderstanding and a hiccup between you and your SO. I wouldn't let it color the rest of your relationship by any means.
I would totally get on the same page about the sister though, lay down some ground rules. When she's not around of course.
Given that it sounded like you were picking on her weight, I can see why your DH jumped in the way he did. It was mean of him to say, but the exact words you used came off in the same way.
Since the problem is actully with her mooching, you two need to agree that he's not going to enable her any more. He needs to stop loaning her money, and not give her a cent, not even buying fast food. She's plenty old enough to be taking care of herself. And she's never going to learn unless everyone holding her up drops her on her butt.
At 21 I had a small apartment where I lived alone, a full time job, went to school 2 nights a week, and had a dog (poor little guy had to rely completely on me). I don't have any sympathy for overgrown babies who still want to live like 10 year olds and have someone else provide everything for them.
well...I think, as with many in-law type situations that you're allowed to feel what you feel and your husband should know and respect that, BUT anytime you speak up and address your partner's family in a negative way you should be prepared for a bad backlash. I'm not saying it's fair, but you're still in a newly wedded stage (idk how long being a family outsider lasts, forever, who knows). It's just a dangerous game to play when you start calling your partner's family members out on their behavior.
I think what he said was wrong, but I also think what you said was wrong too. I could also totally understand how they thought you were calling his sister fat. So, two wrongs don't make a right, apologize and the next time you have an issue keep it to yourself or tell your husband in private. It was rude of hsi sister to order that type of meal on your dime, but as a couple you shouldn't have offered if you didn't want to pay. :( I'm sorry it's a crappy situation, but I'm sure it will blow over. Maybe use this as a starting point to have a conversation with your husband about boundaries and his sister?
We have all said someting from pent up anger that came off wrong. I wouldn't let this deflate your honeymoon stage. Just a little miscommunication of intent. You have every right to be pissed about the SIL. I don't know of anyone who wouldn't be annoyed. It would be wise to have a discussion with your DH so you can work together to set some boundaries with the SIL. It sounds like you both don't know eachothers expectations in dealing with her.
I thought you were calling her fat too :( sorry. I know how it feels to get upset about stuff like this. I don't think he was siding with his sister, I think he was just trying to point out that what you were saying was coming off a little harsh.
Yeah, that was completely out of line. I'd defend my own brother too in a situation like that. I love my husband, but family is family and if he ever made comments like that I'd put him in his place pretty quickly. That's a line you just don't cross, at least in my view.
Rather than making passive aggressive jabs at a girl who is younger than you, and probably still maturing, just talk to him about her freeloading. Don't be starting up stupid family drama over a sandwich. And stop giving her money and offering to pay for things if you're just going to be pissed off when she takes you up on it. Cut her off, it's probably the most helpful way to get her to grow up.
Yeah what you said didn't reflect a frustration with paying for her, it sounded like you were picking on her meal choices (soda and greasy chips) and callin her fat. My husband is the most supportive man ever but if I'd said that to his sister, he would've defended her in the same way (and vice versa). Not cool of you, IMO, especially when your husband did offer her food and it's just a sandwich, not a filet mignon dinner.
But I think if you two sit down and make real rules (we won't offer her free food anymore; she can't stay here anymore; only pick her up if we are already going that way) it will clear up y'alls issues. It's probably hard to be stuck in the middle of loving and wanting to support his baby sister vs. his wife who he loves but has a hardass attitude towards his sister and her freeloading. Discussing hard ad fast rules you can both agree on would take the guesswork out of it for him.
I'd be hurt too : (. If skinny sister has no weight issue he should have figured out it was about somerging else. & if she free loads & takes advantage. I'd say she had it coming.
My advice... Next time you hit a drive in together & she's with you say as you enter the drive in.. Stuff here is expensive & with us paying off the wedding we should all probably get something small.
Just my thoughts. : )). Good luck with the mooch!! :p
I think those comments were out of line, of course I also think the lil sis is way of line but you asked about your comments. there is a better time and place to talk to the sis about her mooching, making what were interpreted to be mean comments after she was technically invited to order food is not the way to address the bigger issue and I can see why DH responded as he did.
He however has owned his comments - told you why he made them and apologized. in order to get back to your honeymoon phase I think you need to own that you were innapropriate and own the fact that what happened after was a result of that. DH wasn't picking sides, or picking on you, and has already said sorry for the impact of his misinterpretation.
Apologize to yourself for bad judgement in the heat of the moment, forgive yourself and DH and release yourself from what you are putting yourself through right now and allow yourself to get back to the happy lovey dovey stage you were in and keep enjoying it!!! you control how you let this incident impact you.
Good luck, and seriously, that sis needs to be dealt with, just at a more opportune time - it would benefit her and everyone else!!
Came back to edit and saw the pp advice on future drive through situations - love it!! totally the way to go and set boundaries!!
I don't think anyone 'deserves' hurtful comments, especially not about their bodies, the way they look, their wedding day etc.
But, I do think you were insanely rude and also passive aggressive and brought the negative response on yourself. You should have been more direct and said something along the lines of 'Hey we are grabbing a quick deli lunch, but we are trying to keep it under $30' (or whatever number you chose) so that she knew ahead of time not to go crazy.
OR.
Don't put yourself in a position to be paying for her food if it bugs you this much.
@hduras54: first of all, congratulations on your recent nuptuals. i can understand how all of this came up. i am not a fan of freeloaders when i worked so very hard to earn my keep all my life. it really gets to you and you get to a point where you explode. not the best thing to do (i try to bite my lip) but anyways, what's done is done. obviously you are hurt about your husband's comment. he burst your big, beautiful newlywed bubble. it doesn't sound like he was being serious but still, your bubble is gone. i think that's what you are more upset about. well, life goes on. just put it behind you, hug your husband and tell him you love him. why ruin the beginning of your married life over a freeloading sister. (i know it feels good to just vent though).
Yeah, I think you are overreacting. If I were your hubby, I'd have been kind of pissed at you and maybe lashed out at you as he did, too. You were making passive-aggressive comments to his sister which isn't cool. Granted, it sounds like her freeloading has been bugging you, but the way to deal with that is through honest discussion... not P-A comments about the lunch she's ordering after it was already offered to her!
No major harm done; just try to move on and figure out how you want to deal with his sister going forward so that you're not so bothered by her. Remember she's only 21...your hubby probably feels very protective of her.
I think his comment was mean, but you were being a bit of a bully to his sister. I think he felt like coming to her defense and said something he knew would hurt. Honestly, if my SO were talking like that to my sister, I would've been furious and said something similar.
IMO, you either needed to be direct: "Hey, we're trying to be money concious so would you mind trying to keep it under $X amount of dollars?" or needed to suck it up and talk to your DH later about your concerns.
His response was really mean and of course you have the right to feel hurt, but I understand why he snapped and said it...you were antagonizing them both.
I think you're over reacting too. He was just telling you lightly to back off the comments. I'm sure he didnt mean anything by it, but your comment was definitely hinting at something, and they were probably not sure what. If you want to speak up about freeloading, just do it. Next time she does that, tell her how much she owes before handing over the food. No money, no food. She'll get the message pretty fast I think.
you totally deserved the comment.
you could have said your piece without the sarcasm and just said "hey, we offered food to be nice... please don't take advantage of us by ordering such expensive things." if it was really getting to you.
if i were the sister, i would have taken it as you calling me fat. and as her brother, your husband got protective because YOU were the attacker. if it had been in your husband's place, you would be writing a post about how DH attacked your sister and is not the person you thought he was.
@rosworms: Really good point about her husband's perspective. OP, I think what you said to the sister was shockingly rude. And no good ever comes of being passive aggressive. Also, I know that lots of people are self supporting and have it together at the age of 21, but tons of people don't. It's not like she's 35 and mooching off her parents. I think you need to cut her a little slack for her immaturity while also being up front about what your boundaries are financially.
I think you're overreacting. If my DH ever said mean things to my little brother you better believe I'd shut him up. I love my husband but my brother and I have been a team for 20+ years.
Also, being passive aggressive is not going to help you. You need to be upfront about your concerns. It really sounds like you were calling her fat so she doesn't even know what your problem with her is.
I think prior posters have done a good job in helping you to sort through the issues involved with what happened that day at the drive-thru. I just wanted to comment on the phenomenon of the "bubble" bursting.
I know that feeling, and almost everyone who has been with his or her FI or DH longer than six months to two years knows that feeling. It quite literally feels as if someone has taken a glass snow globe in which we've resided and smashed it to the floor in pieces. The perfect little worlds in which we and our SOs have resided are somehow now tainted by reality, and that does feel very shocking to us. The factors that end up precipitating this in each relationship obviously vary, but it does eventually happen to almost everyone. (I'm sure trained, licensed professionals would say that it does happen to everyone, but I can think of two couples that I know or have heard of who have not seemed to have yet experienced this, so I am leaving room for that to be the case with others.)
The good news is that, when this initial, blissful stage ends, it just signifies the beginning of the next phase, as the two of you begin to learn to face, deal with and recover from hurt, disappointment, disillusionment, etc. in your relationship. I know how I felt when my bubble burst, and it was much sooner than I had ever imagined. Yet, the relationship that I have with DH now, more than 2.5 years into our marriage, is much stronger and more real than the blissfully happy fairytale stage we felt as we exchanged our marriage vows.
I'm of the opinion that you shouldn't offer someone something unless you are willing to pay for it. Your husband obviously wanted to buy her lunch, so he did, and shouldn't have offered if he was "just being polite." I'm willing to bet your brother is pretty comfortable with his sis needing help, and her freeloading ways. I'd definitely take the issue up with him, and leave the sis out of it. Honestly your comments were super rude, and totally uncalled for. I don't blame your husband for snapping at you, you were being a jerk to his sis. I'd be so mad if my husband was calling my sis fat, which is what you were doing regardless of what your intention was. Have a long talk about being less enabling to his sis, and get on the same page. Also, don't ever insult his family or be passive aggressive towards them, it will not solve anything and will only serve to bite you in the behind.
i had something typed out but it didnt post
so Ill give the lowdown on what I tried to say. When you become a wife, you are an addition, not a replacement to his family. You become a priority. But he did not divorce his family, and he should still be able to support/care/love them in whatever way he feels fit, and, while doing this respect you. Sorry you are feeling down, but I agree you were in the wrong, and echo most PPs.
I think if your husband offers to buy lunch for his sister, you dont take it out on the sister. If she sets you back 10 bucks once in a while, is it really a big deal? My FI's sister struggles financially too. She works at Whole Foods and can barely afford her rent or groceries. I would just assume if we go out to eat with her we'll treat.
I talked to my best friend about this, unfortunately she is biased in my favor so it really helps to hear some outside perspectives.
I'm under the realization that there are underlying issues here.
Actually, DH and I have discussed his sister's behavior many times in the past. Each time he agrees that she does take advantage of other people and he needs to stop facilitating her behavior. But then it's like he forget and goes back to doing what he's been used to doing for so many years.
I had no intention of offering her lunch yesterday, so when DH offered it kind of irked me already. (Last week something similar happened and I didn't say anything. Afterwards I reminded DH that we agreed to stop supporting her to which he agreed, but it seems that he forgot already).
After she moved out of our house a couple years ago, DH was so fed up with her and quit giving her anything for a while. He was pissed that she would rather sleep on someone's couch than go get a job and live in a nice house with her own room & bathroom. But she seems to have a handful of sources which she will suck dry then move on to the next.
Since that time period DH's relationship with his sis has gone back to normal. When he bought her the cell phone, it was because her parent's had sort of cut her off.
They gave her money for school but she only signed up for 2 classes one semester and then quit going. She spent the rest of the money on random things. She didn't even bother to formally drop the classes (if she had she could have gotten a partial refund). Later she said she didn't know that she had to actually drop the classes. So after her parents cut her off, she lost her phone and they refused to buy her a new one. So she came to Dh with a sob story about how she got harrassed on day but couldn't call anyone for help. I don't know if the story was true or not, in the back of my mind I think she was manipulating him to try to get what she wanted.
So I guess the real issue is I don't know how to deal with this. Should I just back off and let him pamper his sister if he wants? (We recently discussed opening a joint bank account - now I don't know if we should). Argh!
Uh oh, two wrongs don't make a right. Instead of making snide comments to his sister, you probably should have straight up told her that she should be more conscious of the fact that you guys were paying for her meal. It sounds like no one is up front with this girl, so she isn't even aware of the fact that she's a free-loader. I've had lots of friends like this over the years. They are cute, sweet, and so much FUN! No one wants to tell them that they are spoiled brats. Someone could do her a favor by giving her some tough love!
That being said, your DH was also in the wrong to make that comment about you in your wedding dress! Oh my goodness, bet he regretted that after it came out of his mouth! Of course he's going to defend the little sis that he's been taking care of forever, but he needs to remember who the wifey is here.
Do that young girl a favor and give her a reality check! She'll appreciate it someday when she grows up.
I actually disagree with MissMarriage - I wouldn't reality check your husbands baby sister. I can't see that going well, especially since you two talk about her behavior and he doesn't seem to do anything about it, so I'm not sure he'd appreciate you going after her (again).
I understand that shefrustrates you - hey, I've worked for my life and get annoyed at people who take advantage too - but for my baby brother and sister I'd do anything, including buy them a sandwich each week if I wanted to (and DH would do the same for his sister and laugh if I got pissy, lol).
I say cut your losses on the sandwich, let go of the past annoyances with her, and try to start fresh with your husband trying to make some reasonable ground rules.
@Future MrsB - It sounds like your FI's sister is at least making an effort and working.
But my husband's sister will do anything she can to avoid working. Anytime we go out together I always assume we're paying (and we do). She's not struggling financially as she has no bills to pay. She lives with her parents who provide all her food and basic necessities. She has an old car that was given to her by her parents when they bought a new one. If she would just get a real job, she'd have plenty of spending money and she could afford to pay for her own meals.
It's weird because DH, his parents and other siblings are very hard workers. His parents, like my mom, struggled to provide for their kids. People have said it's because she's the youngest. Well I am also the baby in my family, but I saw how hard my mom worked to give us more than she could afford so I told myself that I would work hard to provide for her whenever she needs it.
@MissMarriage - You described her perfectly. She is a nice, funny girl but I think she is also manipulative. DH and his parents have had serious talks with her about her behavior. After each talk she will be on really good behavior for a few days (cleans house, takes out trash, etc which I think she should be doing anyway). But then she'll go right back to being lazy. At one point or another we have all cut her off. When that happens she just gets her resources elsewhere.
If you two get a joint bank account, keep your separate personal accounts also. He can pay for his sister out of HIS personal account not the joint one!
Then you can "let go" of your frustrations... she's not your problem.
@mypinkshoes & Brielle - Thank you for your posts. I felt so stupid writing the original post because I know it sounds ridiculous - getting mad over a sandwich!! It really helps to know that other girls experience the same feeling of the "bubble" bursting. Perhaps it's because it was the first non-nice thing DH has said to me since the wedding, and also because what he said was about the wedding. (Sacred grounds for a recent bride, again I know it sounds silly). I just didn't expect the bubble to burst so soon.
If you guys have a joint checking account than you need to have a very serious talk with your DH about his sister. Its both your money now not his. Its completely inappropriate for him to spend money on his sister without discussing it with you (especially as frequent as it is). It is not your place to reality check his sister though. DONT DO THIS. Its her life but you guys need to cut her off. Its completely inappropriate for him to spend your money on his sister without it being ok with you. You need to explain this.
As for the wedding dress comment...it was a low blow and he should not have said it. However, the comments you made to his sister were fat jokes. Your comments dont sound related to $ at all. "the coke will soak up the greese from all those chips". That is a fat/you are eating poorly joke. You should have said something like: can you please order something cheaper or do you really have to order the most expensive stuff on the menu. Not comment on the greesy and large sized items she got...
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