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    VirginiaMarie    January 2011   Austin, TX

    My best friend of 10 years got involved in some interesting things after college.  She backpacked throughout Africa for a year with a missionary group that specialized in exorcisms....When she got back to the states, she had a ton of contacts in super natural ministry and packed up her stuff to move across country to become a "student" of a super natural ministry school.  This program was supposed to last one year.  She has completed her year and is choosing to spend another year out there, working for the school.  She met and started dating a guy from the school too.  In a phone conversation she told me she loves how dedicated he is to super natural ministry...so dedicated that he no longer has any friends that are not involved in the school.  The whole school follows this one man, who they consdier to be a prophet of sorts.  People from all over the country sell their homes and move their families to this town (and give all their money, to this one prophet man). 

    I've come to terms with the fact that my best friend is in a cult.  It's terrifying and devestating.  But last week, I found a picture of her on facebook and saw she shaved her head. I broke down crying for my best friend.  Just 3 years ago, she was healthy and happy and beautiful.  Today, she is sickly thin and pale and bald.  My friend and I have two other best friends, we're a bff-foursome.  Our other two friends and I decided that we would intervene only when our friend cut off communication with us (which she has not yet done).  It's so difficult because on the one hand, I've never seen my friend so happy.  She is on cloud nine, almost like she's high, all the time.  I know that just because someone is happy doesn't mean they're healthy---but I'm afraid to intervene and lose my friend.  I feel like as long as we have contact with her, we still have a part of her. 

    Last fall we all took a trip out to see her and we expressed our concerns.  Our friend was very defensive and it only pushed her away.  She told us that we were lucky she still talks to us, because her new friends don't talk to anyone who isn't "going to heaven" (like us, since we don't believe in this stuff).  The three of us went to the local police station--they were completly aware of the "school", and referred to the participants as "God fearing zombies" of the town.  They believe it to be a cult, but said that nothing harmful or illegal has happened and they cannot do anything right now. 

    My friend is not budging.  She is too far gone.  She leaves for Mexico tomorrow to do missionary exorcisms and we won't see her again until my wedding in August.  She is one of my bridesmaids.  I'm so afraid that we're going to lose her to this cult.  In fact, I know we will---it's just a matter of time.

     
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    Ms.Teddy    April 2011   South Carolina

    I am so sorry that this is happening to you! I dont really know what to say...thats craziness! Like you said...if she cuts off communication with you then maybe you and your 2 other BFFs need to pay her a visit...as a last resort...at least you know that you did everything that you could have done. But in the end...this was her decision...and you may just loose her to it...and it sucks :(

     
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    VirginiaMarie    January 2011   Austin, TX

    @Teddy--Thats exactly how we feel! She's an adult and we cannot control her just because we think she's making poor choices right now.  I just don''t know how this will end.  Do people just, stop being part of a cult?  Do they just walk away?  CAN they walk away? 

     
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    okqueenbee    Dec 4, 2009   OKC

    OMG Virginia! That is really scary! I don't understand what "supernatural ministry" means. I know what an exorcism is, and that they do happen, and I am a Christian so I do believe in the healing power of God and I do believe in miracles but what your friend is into sounds VERY kooky, and not like any Christian ministry I've ever heard of. I am so sorry she is into this cult (because I truly believe that's what it must be) and I hope she can break free of it before it destroys her life! I wish you and your other two friends the best of luck in getting across to her and I hope for her safe return home and to a normal happy life.

     
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    MissAsB    June 6, 2009   Married in CO, Living in AL

    I'm really sorry.  Honestly, I don't know how much help you can really be to her.  If this is a real cult-like group, it is possible that she has been brainwashed enough that it will be hard to get her out of that.  But it will be worth your piece of mind for the three of you to go there and try everything that you possibly can.

     
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    Magenta    July 31, 2010   Springfield MA- Wedding in PR

    im curious to know what her family said about all these?? have you talk to her family? are they concern? 

    i have seen a lot of documentaries about cults and all these things are scary, i also have see how family decided to get the person out of the cult (like a kidnapping) i know it sound harsh but that is what i have seen. 

    i dont even know what to tell you, just i hope your friend can open her eyes and realize what she is doing. 

    i feel for you.

     
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    Ms.Teddy    April 2011   South Carolina

    @Virginia-my moms brother and sister joined a church that is similar to a cult...my mom and my grandfather are the only two that were not sucked in...they try to convert us all the time...they go to church everyday...sometimes twice a day...have chants at their houses after church and try to convert everyone in sight (like me). The girls and women are not allowed to wear shorts or pants and they cannot socialize or marry outside of the church. The worst part is that they donate tons and tons of money to the "leader" and no one really knows where the money is going but they just trust him with it. They have been part of it for 10 yrs now...and we just try to stay away from the as they are very judgemental and...strange honestly. they have learnt to put the church before everything...and when my grandmother got very ill they went to church instead of taking her to the hospital...again church before everything. SO what I am saying is...I have some experience with this sort of situation and honestly there is nothing you can do or say to help...either they have to realize it on their own...or the cult/church has to unravel somehow...

     
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    veganglam    January 5, 2013   Philadelphia; Wedding in NYC

    Wow, crazy story and I am SO sorry this is happening to you (and your friend).  I don't really know what to say, but I do know that YES, there are a lot of people that just walk away from cults (I actually started doing research on cults last summer after watching two seasons of Big Love nonstop and being really intrigued, heh).  I think your friend will benefit from the fact that her cult doesn't seem to ask its members to do life-threatening things, doesn't perform human sacrifices, etc.--right?  So she is either going to spend her lifetime in that cult or she is going to wake up and realize that it's insanity.  If she is your age (24, says your profile?), she's still plenty young, and young people often do really crazy stuff.  Did she go to college?  I know a lot of people who graduated college and then got involved in some really questionable stuff for a few years because they didn't feel like they'd figured out what they wanted to do with their lives via the 'typical' path, so feeling like they didn't fit into what mainstream America was expecting of them, tried out a bunch of various 'alternative' lifestyles.  Does this sound at all like your friend?  Everyone I know who's done this is now living a much more normal, healthy life, but it took about 3-8 years for them to get their youthful uncertainty out, I guess.

    I think MissAsB is right that your attempts at intervention probably won't get very far.  She's probably been brainwashed to believe that whatever people outside the cult believe or tell her is misguided and that you all haven't seen the truth as the cult members have...it'll just look like you're trying to undermine her faith (I'm sure everyone has seen this attitude from members of religious sects that aren't even classified as 'cults').  But again, you are fortunate that she is so young.  She might wake up yet...or, as Ms. Teddy said, the church might unravel or be broken up by police or whatever and after some time she will realize that she was in fact involved in a cult.

     
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    Sulli301    June 26, 2010   Michigan

    I'm so very sorry for you. At this point it seems like, beyond reaching out to her once or twice...maybe once before and once after the wedding...there won't be a lot that can be done on your part. I'm sure you have seen the footage of cults and usually the first thing they can is a full commitment to the "cause" and sometimes this includes cutting all others out (like your friend has said to you). Maybe you, with your other friends, could right her a letter so that she could turn to it again and again, hopefully reading it for what it was after the first time which will inevitably be in anger and annoyance.

    Have you spoken to her family members about this? Has she been involved in your wedding planning...maybe that would be a chance to communicate with her before she is too far gone.

    My best advice is try so that you know you did the most you possibly could and in the end, unfortunatly, it is her choice and she may make the heartbreakingly wrong one.

     
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    VirginiaMarie    January 2011   Austin, TX

    @Ok--I didn't, and still don't, fully understand what supernatural ministry was either.  Google doesn't even offer too much of an explanation.  According to my friend, miracles happen in her school everyday.  Blind people regain vision, paralyzed people get up and run...we're talking the whole nine!  Why didn't it make the news, we ask?  Because:  "Jesus told [phropet man] to keep quiet.  If the media finds out Jesus will be angry and healing will no longer happen."

    @Magenta-She hasn't spoken with her mom in about a year--her mom thinks this is a cult and was more verbal than we were about it.  She speaks to her dad, and he's supportive of this.  He sends the "school" a good amount of money.

     
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    VirginiaMarie    January 2011   Austin, TX

    @Teddy--WOW, that sounds a lot like my friend.  I'm sorry you have been through this too.  It's horrible to feel so powerless and watch the transformation of your loved ones.  I hate it.

    @Vegan--you are SO right on!  She went to and gradutated from college, but it was a struggle for her. When she got out, she was VERY, VERY upset that we all were going to Md/PhD/Grad programs and she wasn't.  She has always been the "lost" one of us all.  We did everything we could to not make her feel that way---but it got the best of her.  I'm so glad you are certain that some people do just walk away from cults...I had no idea.  (and yes, she's 25 right now)

    @Sulli-Love your idea of a letter.  I wish we lived closer to her so we could have more of an impact of her day to day choices...

     
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    rachelss    August 22, 2010   Fort Collins, CO

    Well I hope your friend ends up like my FILs. Long before I met them they were in this church that went downhill and kind of turned into a cult. But, eventually, my FILs woke up and realized that the cult was unreasonable and crazy. Now you'd never know they were in this church - they are now basically atheists. It can happen - fingers crossed it does for you.

    I have a friend who is into some really spiritual stuff that I don't understand, but I guess I'm lucky she's still pretty normal and we can still find other things to talk about. It's good that you're trying to stay connected, but like everyone else has said telling her the ministry is crazy will probably strain your friendship to the breaking point that much faster. The more she has to come back to, the more likely she is to come back to "normality".

     
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    jaylii9    September 5, 2010  

    I don't have anything to add, but just wanted to let you know that I am thinking about you and your friend! Unfortunately, I think that you have done everything that you can to help your friend and support her. I hope that she can someday see the reality of her situation and get out of it. Maybe you can let her know that you and your other two friends are there for her no matter what, even if she cuts off communication completely, let her know that you will help her if she ever needs it. I guess let her know that your door is always open.

    It's interesting to hear you talk about super natural ministry because I never knew what it was, but I now understand that my cousin is into the same stuff. My cousin is about 20 years older than me, unmarried etc... She really got into religion in college and has taken a lot of ministry trips over the years. The last one that she took to Africa she would send out update e-mails to all her friends and family in the U.S. She would write things such as "performed a miracle today through God and now a blind man can see" etc... It did not go over well with my family. They all thought she was into some bad stuff. I am not sure if she is still involved in this type of stuff, but she lives back in the U.S. now, holds a job, but I know she attends one of those big super churches. 

     
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    VirginiaMarie    January 2011   Austin, TX

    @Jaylii---what you described with your cousin is definitely super natural ministry!  I've gotten identical emails/txts from my friend.  It's odd.  I, myself, am Christian and I definitely believe in miracles.  But this is a a bit much for me.  I wonder what your cousin is up to now.  It's really scary---thanks for the support.

     
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    jaylii9    September 5, 2010  

    @virginiamarie- I see my cousin probably 2-4 times a year at family events (she lives 4 hours from me.) She seems to not have gone completely into this super natural ministry stuff, but I would call her fundamentalist if nothing else.

    I don't have any problems with Christianity or people being religious, but this type fo stuff seems over the top to me. It's also why my family was upset and concerned for her during that missions trip.

     
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    This sounds so frightening and terrible...My only suggestion is to try once more.  Is there anyway to show her that their reasoning isn't correct?  IDK how helpful that would be b/c I'm sure the "leaders" of this cult have told her not to believe anything but them...

    I'm so sorry.

     
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    WeeBirdy    June 24, 2010  

    I'm so sorry, Virginiamarie!  That sounds really scary.  It's really too bad that her dad is sending the cult money too.  Do you know her mom well enough that you could approach her and discuss it?  Does she realize that the dad is sending money?   (If they're married, I'd think him sending money to something she considers a cult would cause some problems between them.)  Unfortunately, I doubt your friend can be convinced that there's anything wrong with the group when her boyfriend and father are so involved.  The fact that she has 2 important people in her life who support this group must make it easier for her to ignore everyone else's concern.  Her comment that you're lucky she still stays in touch with you sounds like a threat to stop talking to you.  I don't have any real suggestions, because this sounds like a lose-lose situation for all of you.  :(  The only thing I can think of is that if you try to make her more involved in wedding planning, perhaps she'll realize that she misses all three of you and will start to rethink her decision to isolate herself.   Not that I think wedding planning saves people from cults, but perhaps if you can come up with jobs for her to do and stress that it would mean a lot to have her invovled (even if only long distance), it might remind her how important your friendship is.   Then you'd be talking about non-cult things, so she might feel less attacked.  (It feels funny writing this, because I rarely talk about wedding stuff with anyone other than the FI, since I'm worried about boring everyone else.)  But in this case, even if you just have to make stuff up for her to do, it might remind her of your friendship and the fact that there's a big, wide, happy, excorcism-free world out there.  Good luck!

     
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    bloodgo1    May 14, 2010   Royal Oak

    This is scary, Virginia! I'm so sorry you're going through this! Even more so I am sorry that your friend has been sucked into this... I don't understand what it is that happens to people when they enter this sort of thing and that is just something that terrifies me... the whole idea of brainwashing and such just is so scary to me.

    I'm nervous that by the time your friend does choose to break contact with you and your friends that your intervening will just be useless because it seems like at that point she will be too far gone. I think in the end this is going to have to be a personal decision. Maybe something bad will happen within the cult that she will begin to question and eventually she'll be brave enough to leave it behind, but cults are strange things...

    I know it is hard and I'm sure if I were you I would be feeling very sad about it because I would feel like my friend didn't care enough about me to keep in contact with me, but just try to remember that what she has gotten herself into is beyond normal control... Maybe being with all of you guys again at your wedding will help her see how her life used to be, but I wish I had better advice... Hang in there!

     

     
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    VirginiaMarie    January 2011   Austin, TX

    @Weebirdy--Her parents are married, but they are foreign and unfortunately her mother has virtually no voice in the home. 

    Thanks for all the support girls.  This thread makes my bff sound like a crazy girl, and she is going through a rough patch, but she was so normal and fun and gorgeous.  Our foursome is super tight, nothing can ever come between us, and I know that we'll be there for our friend no matter what happens.  If it gets to the point where she stops contacting us, we will fly out there at the drop of a hat.  I'm sure this will upset some of you--but we already made a pact to move to FL when we're widowed, old and wrinkly. We are going to rock the retirement homes. I love my FI, but my girlfriends are my life, my wolf pack if you will.... ;)

     

     

     
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    rachaelrobin    January 16, 2011   Philadelphia

     

     

    Thinking of you and your friend.  I hope she is able to walk away, sooner rather than later.  There are always groups that specialize in deprogramming; it is extreme but it is possible, an acquaintance my mother knows, had her daughter 'kidnapped' and deprogrammed.

     
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    VirginiaMarie    January 2011   Austin, TX

    @Rachelss, Blood, & Rachael----Thanks for the support ladies.  I will be sure to keep you all posted.

     
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    stargal34    August 21, 2010  

    wow that is so scary. i've seen on documentary shows where people have walked away- and these people were in cults for YEARS- one was in there for 15 years before he left. btw i love your plan with your girls going to florida! sounds like a blast- i wish i had friends like that :)

     
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    cardigan    January 7, 2011   Austin, TX

    I'm so sorry you're going through this - I'm sure it's incredibly scary and frustrating to have her not listen to your worries! I have definitely heard lots of stories of people who have been in cults and realized what it was and got out - I hope that happens with your friend!!! Please keep us updated on what happens with her!

     
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    eileen marie    6/27/09   Chicago

    I am sorry to say this, but you just have to let go.  Stay in touch if you'd like, but she's made her decision.  Be supportive from afar-it's obvoius you two are too different to have the same meaningful relationship you once had.  My bff (from grade school!), who I still see with some regularity, is a Hare Krishna and exhibits all of the tell-tale signs of being in a cult.  She is a little judgemental of me and prefers to hang out with other Krishnas.  Another college friend (part of a pretty tight 6-some) was sucked in my this weird Yoga movement.  She moved away from the rest of us, but we still see her when she's in town.  She always danced to the beat of a different drum, but now she is harder to relate to (but at least easier than the first friend).  It's a difficult situation, but you have to let it be and cultivate the friendships with the people you have more in common with.  Just remember the good times-that's what I do!  Good luck!

     
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    CuppinKeix    July 9, 2011   WI

    oh wow, I am so sorry for your situation and your friend. As damaging as it may be to the friendship, I'd go out and get my friend-- this isn't what I'm recommending, by the way, I think you're being smart with your course of action-- I'd just be so shocked by the whole thing and act out of instinct. I like kicking ass and taking names, lol ;)

     

    Good luck! I hope she comes around :)

     
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    veganglam    January 5, 2013   Philadelphia; Wedding in NYC

    Aw VirginiaMarie, your post about the tightness of your group of friends actually made me tear up a little.  For all of your sakes, I hope your friend in the cult manages to get out somehow!  My thoughts are with you...

     
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    toothfairyb    September 4, 2010   Vancouver, BC

    I don't really have any advice, just wanted to support! I don't even know what I'd do. I'll be thinking of her!

     
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    I know I'm repeating what everyone else has said, but I am so sorry that this is happening to you! Its hard to see friends making decisions that hurt them and I know I always feel like my friendship isn't important to them when I point that out and say "hey you're hurting yourself"/"hey you're making a dumb decision" and they don't listen. 

    Keeping in touch with letters sounds like a good idea to me and just emphasize how much you all care about her. 

     
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    WeeBirdy    June 24, 2010  

    I love your pact!  Which of the Golden Girls will you be? :)   

    It's great that the four of you are that close.  I can understand why you're so upset, so I'm really glad that you have such a good group of friends and you can all help each other through this.  Hang in there--we're all hoping for good news from your "wolf pack." 

     
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    VirginiaMarie    January 2011   Austin, TX

    Just following up and saying thanks to everyone who posted--it's nice to have your support as always!  <3

     

     
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    ejs4y8    June 20, 2009  

    Holy smokes....

     
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    His Barista    September 4, 2010   Spokane, WA

    I have nothing I can really say advice wise. = ( But I can offer *hugs*...

     
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    Soon2beeMrsM    October 2010   NY

    Can you ask her to visit you for a week, steal her keys, wallet etc and de-cult her? I know I know a little far fetched but I'm worried you'll lose your friend Frown I had a great friend that I lost to one of the super churches and never talk to now. It's sad.

     
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    KIKI82    October 30, 2010   SoCal

    Wow, that is a lot to deal with! You and you friends sound really great to care so much about her. What about her family, can they also step in and bring her back? Be safe! I hope the best for you guys.

     
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    CorgiTales    February 1, 2011  

    I don't really think you have enough pull or standing to get her out of this. I think you should be as supportive as you can of HER (if not her choices), and make sure that she knows that you will always support her regardless of her decisions or beliefs. Make sure she knows that if she ever decides to leave you'll support her, won't judge her, won't gloat (don't make it into something where you're attacking her beliefs and then she has to prove they're right to spite you). You want to be her soft place to land if she ever gets out. 

     
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    2PeasinaPod       Philadelphia

    I'm so sorry Virginia - this is terrible! I would definitely just let her know that if she ever does realize that this isn't for her one day, that you will be there for her and help her get away from these people. Hopefully she will realize that this is a cult and she's been sucked in. Gosh...I really hope she realizes that! I'm so sorry!

     

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