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    I know this post is repetitive and I'm sure none of you ar surprised that I'm writing again about how hard it is to wait. But I've reached a point where my heart hurts so bad that I ant keep pretending I'm ok. At this point I need to tell him what I'm experiencing for the sake of my own sanity because otherwise I'm going to explode one day. I just need him to know that I'm feeling anxious and just want to be able to freely talk about us without pressure. I can't continue on without some acknowledgment of what will happen come july. I've done Mr. Bees plan and trust me it only helped to a certain point. Now I just need to know either way what will happen with us. I seriously can't wait anymore to find out. He is the type of guy who talks about his plans ALWAYS....but when it comes to our future he doesn't
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    I just don't care anymore and really need him to know what I'm going through.

     
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    MissAsB    June 6, 2009   Married in CO, Living in AL

    Have the two of you ever talked about your future?  I understand Mr. Bee's plan but to me it only works if you know that you are both going toward the same ending point in life.

     
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    MrsSl82be    October 24, 2009  

    Don't be surprised when he can't relate to what you are going through, thinks you are exaggerating, or that you are blowing it out of proportion. You need to be very calm, use direct words, don't let your emotions get in the way if you want him to talk about this!! Anything said in the heat of the moment can destroy any chance of having a calm, rational talk about this. You have every right to get an answer, but emotional talks shut a lot of guys down, and go on the defensive and not want to answer any of your questions

     
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    picturemeurs    February 2012  

    Maybe you should focus on marriage talk and making sure you are on the same page with the basics (When, If he's ready or not). Once you have a direct answer on that waiting a month or two for the actual proposal wouldn't be as hard.

     
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    @picturemeurs:I think the main thing that bothers me is that we talk about anything and everything except us and our future.  I just wonder why that is.  The only time we talk about it is if I bring it up, I just wish that we could speak more freely about it like other couples do.  In no way do i mean i want to ask him why he hasnt proposed, etc. I just want us to be so free to talk openly about our feelings and thoughts.  Like couples who say "oh that's a cute neighborhood....when we start looking for a house we can consider this an option" or "let's go look at rings" ....you know what i mean

     
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    claireos    September 8, 2012   Maryland

    I completely agree with MrsSl82be. It's time for a very calm talk using very direct words. There's no reason why you should be taking the burden of this all on your shoulders alone. You've been together long enough, you're both adults, you both are planning on getting married eventually. You shouldn't have to ignore the elephant in the middle of the room and you should be able to have a conversation about marriage with your future husband. It's silly that you have to pretend that it doesn't exist. That and you'll feel so much better afterwards.

    Good luck. Let us know how it goes.

     
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    Thanks, that's very helpful advice.  And I agree that I shouldn't be going through this all alone.  Sure we have a timeframe for an engaged (July of this year), which he agreed to a few months ago, but it strikes me as odd that we can't just talk freely and openly about it.  Why do we have to go through this next few months completely avoiding that topic? 

    Again, my purpose here is not to speed up the engagement or ask him why we're not engaged, etc.  My purpose is to see why the communication on the topic of our future is little to none.  I see how couples who arent even engaged talk about the future openly and I want the same for us. I've never brought this up to him before but I really think it's time--especially since most of my down moods have been a result of the lack of communication regarding my desires/concerns in this department. 

     
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    claireos    September 8, 2012   Maryland

    I think you should tell him that part specifically. Tell him you aren't trying to speed up the process, you're just trying to be excited about it and you don't want to spend all your energy tiptoeing around him because you're afraid of his reaction. If he was excited for something he'd want to talk about it to and share that excitement, why shouldn't you be able to? You really put that second paragraph perfectly.

     
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    @claireos: Thanks.  I will be sure to make that part clear and I agree that I should do this without being emotional.  I think watching my brother and his gf (now fiance) before they got engaged showed me that it's so important to be able to communicate about the future. And I believe that is what really helped them work through all their issues (including my brother's reluctances to move forward) and finally get engaged. I know how much my SO wants me to be happy, and open communication would go a LONG way to helping me feel better--I will tell him just that without accusing him of anything--more along the lines of saying " I would be really happy if we could talk more openly about our future whenever we felt like it"

     
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    KristenGotMarried    May 19, 2012   The Cbus

    @Shirinjoon:  I don't mean to be a bitch, but you've had your answer for quite some time.  The guy doesn't discuss your future, which means if provoked he's either going to tell you something you don't want to hear, or he's going to lie to you to avoid confrontation.

    Here's the problem with your ultimatum:  he knows exactly how important it is to you to be engaged, and he hasn't done it.  Sure, he hasn't done it YET, but this guy is well aware of how serious this issue is.  He will LOSE YOU come July.  Rest assured, if I had told my fiance that I would be ending the relationship if we didn't get engaged by July, he would've proposed ASAP, like within a week.  Guaranteed.  He wouldn't wait it out till July, I assure you.  I'm sorry darling, but you need to save yourself here.  The dude doesn't have any desire to propose on his own, you know?  And you're going insane in the mean time.  Go find someone who will.  

     
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    claireos    September 8, 2012   Maryland

    @KristenGotMarried: I think you have some valid points. He does seem like he's needed to be pushed every step of the way and that doesn't exactly put him in a great light and could actually indicate some early warning signs.

    I guess I'm taking a "benefit of the doubt" approach because a while back I had a similar conversation with my guy. He's a bit of a committment phobe but insisted he saw a future in us. I called him on it and said that if he wanted a future for us, he shouldn't be afraid of words like "engagement" or "marriage" and that it made me feel like he was giving me lip service to keep me around. I told him that as a person who isn't as familiar with the process of getting married as he is, I'll need to talk about it, WITH HIM. That because I've never been married before I may have questions or concerns that I have to discuss WITH HIM. That we are both adults and something doesn't happen by pretending the word doesn't exist. That its silly. I assured him that I wasn't planning on discussing it daily, but it could come up and he needs to man up and say the word.

    And we haven't had an issue since. We talk about it openly. It sounded so familiar that I kinda thought that maybe she was having a similar issue with her guy. Sometimes people need to be called out. And really, how will he ever say the phrase, "will you marry me" if he can't talk about marriage. Guys are weird sometimes. I've wondered if he was leading her on at times but I hope he comes through in July. I really do.

     
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    @claireos:

    @KristenGotMarried:

    Ladies, I understand your point, I really do.  But I can assure you this man is NOT the type to lead someone on and I trust him with my heart. I know for a fact that if I said I would leave he would straight up propose--but I did not say that to him because I didn't want him to do it out of fear of losing me.  What I did say a few months ago is that I've waited long enough and that I deserve to see some progress--to which he responded that he promises he will do everything to keep me and that he will come through in July (just a side note: the reason it's July is because his parents have to meet mine and they are still not in the country, but most definitely will be here by that time). 

    While I have no doubt in my mind that he would marry me if it came down to the possibility of losing me, I do think that he is dragging his feet for whatever reason and come July I really cannot go forward without some progress (as in engagement). 

    OK, so I agree that from an objective view point this situation looks hopeless.  And I see where you are coming from.  So I'm going to express my concerns to him in a straightforward and calm manner and see where this thing is truly headed.  Ultimately, I know one thing which I would be willing to bet my life on: he doesn't want to lose me.  And of course I don't want to lose him.  But at the end of the day this issue has to be worked out through communication.  So that's what I plan to do. 

     
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    Sweetie Pie 21    March 21, 2012   ventura county CA

    @Shirinjoon:i'm having a really hard time too! girl, we're in the home stretch! why is it so hard? don't ask me! but ya, i'm getting to the point where i don't really even want to be around my man until we are engaged. have any ex waiting bee's had this anxiety in your last two months of waiting? and what did you do to get through it???

     
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    @KristenGotMarried: I completely agree.

    OP seriously, how many waiting posts does one person need? I understand that venting can be healthy, but this doesn't sound healthy. I hope you get a resolution to your issue.

     
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    @KatyElle: I didn't realize there was a limit on the number of waiting posts. It's called "waiting boards" for a reason--so that we can seek support from others who are waiting and who understand the situation best.  I don't get it when women who aren't waiting feel they can judge the waiting ones for posting too much.

     
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    OP--if he isn't the type to lead you on, then why is he leading you on? If you're so desperate to get married that you're spilling your every thought to strangers on the internet, then I highly doubt that you've never made a peep about it in real life.

    It's clearly killing you, and for him to be in a relationship with you, and SEE that, and not so much as MENTION any kind of a future together...tells me that he just doesn't see one. I'm sorry. But this guy sounds like he's not that interested.

     
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    @Shirinjoon: She isn't judging you for waiting. She's not judging you at all. She's just asking you how many times you have to type things out before you realize what you're saying means!

     

    ETA: Just scanned through the threads you've started. You've written SEVERAL that are miserable in tone. How many times do you have to say that you're unhappy to realize that you're really not happy with him??

     
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    He's made it very clear that he doesn't imagine a future without me--that is simply not the issue.  He also doesn't know how it's affecting me because I hide it so well.  And I can bet my life that he isn't leading me on, and I've never had a doubt about that.

    Again, my issue is that I woud like us to just be more free about discussing the future--the same way we were in the very beginning.

     
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    Then go TALK to him instead of crying on the internet!

     
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    @MissHoneyBun: Wow, talk about snarky.  I was posting hoping to get advice and supporT NOT to have someone talk to me like that. 

    I can honestly say that weddingbee is not for me.  I'm outta here.

     
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    @Shirinjoon: No, actually I just find it baffling when people do the same thing over and over expecting a different answer.

    ETA: Obviously you'd rather flounce outta here than listen to common sense. Seeya!

     
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    Sunshine1810    October 8, 2011   New Hampshire

    I think that everyone needs to be a little more supportive here.  If you don't like reading about the frustrations of waiting, then you shouldn't be on the waiting board because you obviously can't relate.  I am not trying to be mean, but I think it is rough for the girls who are already sad and frustrated to have other bees rip them apart for sharing their feelings (no matter how many times they feel the need to).  This is what this board is for.

    Now...OP, I am sorry that you are hurting so much.  I went through this with my ex and it really is one of the hardest things I ever went through.  It didn't end up working for us (obviously) but I hope that your situation has a better outcome! I waited for 6 1/2 years for my ex to propose and finally I got to the point where I realized it just wasn't going to happen.  We had the same problem about never discussing the future unless I brought it up, and even then the conversations were one-sided (I realize looking back).  I agree with a lot of other posts here that you need to have an honest conversation with your SO about where he sees your relationship going.  Try to stay as calm as possible (I know it's hard), and just listen to what he has to say.  You can even tell him that you are worried because he never talks about a future together.

    Good luck! I really hope it works out for you!

     
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    @Shirinjoon: Excuse me...? I was trying to give you advice that you asked for and clearly need. You really do need to go talk to him. You wanna talk so bad but have you even tried? And quite frankly, if he still refuses to talk about it even then...you have your answer. Rule #1 on the internet-don't ask for honest advice and then get pissy when you get it.

     
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    Lilubird    August 28, 2011   Southern California

    Remember OP every bride to be has once been a waiting bee. You just need to keep trusting in each and make sure he clearly understands what you want.. if you waiver, he'll waiver..

     

    good luck.

     
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    Lilubird    August 28, 2011   Southern California

    oh wait, i just read you're leaving bee (confused?).

    Tese ladies had great advice, and as a once waiting now engaged bee, i'd listen. Really, it's to your benefit doll, no one here is trying to be malicious.

     

    Again, good luck.

     
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     @MissHoneyBun: He has never once refused to talk about it.  I am simply saying that I wish HE were the one to bring it up, not me.  He is always very sweet and open when I do bring it up. 

    If you think im so whiny and crying on the internet, then maybe you shouldn't read and comment on my posts.

     
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    @Lilubird: Yes, I'm leaving because I believe that being on here makes me focus way too much on waiting and for my own sanity I need to just get off wedding bee.  I also don't like that I can't post freely without someone telling me Im posting too much or complaining.  I will miss several bees however who have been more than amazing to me.

     
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    Sunshine1810    October 8, 2011   New Hampshire

    @Shirinjoon: Sorry to see you go! :(

     
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    @Sunshine1810: Thanks Sweetie, and I really appreciate your advice and will definitely follow it. 

     
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    Sunshine1810    October 8, 2011   New Hampshire

    @Shirinjoon: I hope it works!!!

     
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    I don't understand, sorry OP. You're time is coming in 2 months. Yes I'm sure you're getting super antsy the closer it gets...I'm sure I will too. However, I don't think you should be so unhappy all the time about this.

    Is there something you're wanting your guy to say? He tells you he wants a future with you, what else are you looking for? Specifics about...the wedding? Or housing? or....

     
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    @Shirinjoon: Then I don't understand why you're complaining. If he talks about it---why must HE bring it up? Some people just don't until prompted. Maybe it would be good for you to take some time off from the bee. It's obviously making you even more anxious in real life.

     
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    KristenGotMarried    May 19, 2012   The Cbus

    @Shirinjoon:  Dude, if you're gonna peace out, then peace out!  I think we're all on each other's sides here. We all have a common bond here:  we're women with marriage on the brain.  You came here seeking advice (maybe?) and aren't happy with the results.  If you're unhappy here, bow out like you said you want to.  Coming back to have the last word isn't productive.  Go talk to your boyfriend, get things straightened out, then come back here to plan your wedding.  We'll see you later :)

     
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    @Shirinjoon: You seem to be convinced that people are being mean to you when in reality you don't want to listen to what people are telling you. Sometimes in life uncomfortable conversations need to happen (such as this one) and if this is how you react, I'm not sure why you keep asking for opinions. You're not interested in honesty, you want people to tell you "Tee hee, he's probably waiting to surprise you with a proposal!" Call me crazy but marriage is a big decision and adults talk it over which he's not doing. And if this is how you deal with uncomfortable discussions in real life and especially concerning marriage, all I can say it "good luck."

     
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    mightywombat    June 25, 2011   Massachusetts

    @Shirinjoon: "He has never once refused to talk about it.  I am simply saying that I wish HE were the one to bring it up, not me.  He is always very sweet and open when I do bring it up."

    That wasn't really clear from the post, actually.  The post makes it sound like you're constantly censoring yourself because he doesn't want you to talk about it.  But if he's not, and it's just that he doesn't bring it up unprompted - there's nothing necessarily wrong with that!  He might just not want to bring it up until the engagement so he can "surprise" you.

    Either way, I think it's a good idea to get off WB until you're planning a wedding.  I agree that it can make a person focus way too much on her "waiting" status. That, in turn, makes her focus on her feelings of powerlessness and passivity - never a good thing!

     
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    @mightywombat: I would never be with a man who refuses to talk about the future or who sends out the vibe that he just isnt interested in the conversation.  I should have been more clear that my SO has been nothing but receptive when I bring it up.  However, he never brings it up on his own and that bothers me because I want us to be able to talk about it freely.  Which is why I wanted to bring it up tonight.  Anyway, these posts are always misleading because people never truly know the dynamics of a relationship based on a post.

    I agree with you too that it's best to get off--I know i will feel much better because i wont be constantly focused on wating.

     
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    I agree 100% that such conversations need to happen and I think that those ladies who advised me to do that are absolutely right.  That's not why I'm offended.  I am offended because one or two ladies on the boards automatically assume based on a frustrated post that the relationship is doomed and that the woman should just move on.  My post never asked for someone's opinion on the relationship--but rather advice on how to approach this conversation and how to handle it.  I really hate when people just jump and tell you "oh honey he's not interested, move on".....how can you say that when you dont even know me, him, or our relationship....and especially when I never asked for advice on whether to stay or go!

     
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    Lilubird    August 28, 2011   Southern California

    one or two people in life will always be there to make you feel unhappy and dissatisfied. Plug along and do whats best for you regardless of those "one or two".

     

     
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    claireos    September 8, 2012   Maryland

    @Shirinjoon: I think I'm getting evenmore confused. You want to discuss it freely with him. You can talk about it and he's kind and receptive. He doesn't happen to bring it up. But because he doesn't bring it up you feel it means you can't discuss it freely? The simple fact that he lets you talk about it with him means you ARE discussing it freely. The fact he's not talking about it could simply be because he's a guy. He doesn't have anything to talk about. Just because he doesn't initiate the conversation doesn't mean he's avoiding it or you can't talk about it with him.

    I believe my guy and I talk about it freely but more often than not, if we do, I've initiated the conversation because I have questions about it (how long does it take to plan a wedding, why is a venue so expensive). If I don't have questions we don't talk about it. It isn't because he's avoiding. He knows more about weddings than I do. We both know where we are going with this. The only thing left to talk about are final details about the ring and when he decides to propose - which I don't want to know. If your SO talks about the future with you but happens to not be an initiator it may be because he literally has nothing to discuss.

    Another question I have is what is it you want him to talk about? Do you want him to tell you about his plans? Talk about how his family feels? Again, if he's not curious about it the most he could say is, "well, how bout them engagements? Crazy stuff huh?" I'm sorry the waiting is getting hard. But I'm sure many ladies, myself included, would be thrilled to be as close as you are.

     
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    Torrid    August 12, 2012   Fayetteville, NC

    July is just one month away!

    I know it's frustrating, but it's so close. Guys aren't the type to just bring it up on their own. My guy will talk about the logistical stuff: how we'd move my stuff to another state, how long he's going to lease an apartment til I get there, etc, but he doesn't say, "Let's talk about how we're getting engaged."

    It's just in the differences of male and female communication. I think sometimes we get so caught up in the proposal side of things we don't think about everything else that has to happen first, or that a man needs to do.

    I'm sorry you're leaving the bee, but I don't think anyone was trying to be necessarily mean. The thing about the internet is that everyone here has the advantage of being objective, so they can give unbiased advice.

    Honestly, sometimes I've thought that maybe he's just not ready when I read your posts. But like you said, it's impossible for us to know how your relationship is in real life, because we have very little information.

    But it does seem that you are pretty unhappy most of the time about your situation. I know waiting is not fun, but sometimes it gets confusing whether you're unhappy with waiting or unhappy with the relationship in general.

    We just want to help.

    Good luck!

     

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