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Ok, please dont judge and hear me out...
We met when I was 18 and a freshman in college and he was 22. I fell for him immediately and began trying to plan our life together. I started acting a little older than my age and didnt go out with friends as much. I didnt mind because I felt like this position clicked for me. I was on the way to building my life with "the one".
Last fall, after 5 years of being together, my FI and I hit a rough patch. We were planning a wedding and buying a house at the same time, not to mention the meshing of the families wasnt going very well because we were met with much resistance. So things were getting stressful for us, and we began to take it out on each other.
It was around this time that my FI became a little difficult. He became harsh and mean at times...ie when we would go out to the movies or dinner, I liked to look nice so a little makeup and maybe a heel with my jeans and he would say "where are you going? just put on some gym shoes." I always tried to look nice previously when we would go out, but all of a sudden it was an issue. We stopped having sex, we used to 3-8 times a week and it dulled down to about 1-2 times/week. He would play video games for most of the night to the point where I would be sleeping by myself, we stopped watching TV together like we used to most nights, and then he started to drink more, whether we were going out or not. He was always on his phone, texting and talking to someone. It got so bad that he couldnt leave his phone charger at home because his phone was always dying. Some of his female friends began to send him inappropriate pictures of themselves, girls I met and knew. He would show me and said they wanted opinions and sometimeshe said the pics were for me (his one friend was bi). I told him all the time about his attitude and how I hated how much he was using his phone, but it never changed. He acknowledged my feelings, but did nothing to stop his attitude or stop using his phone so much. It was like he didnt care.
One night, while I was out with girlfriends and my girlfriend's boyfriend at the time brought a friend. He began to hit on me but I immediately told him I was engaged and flashed my ring at him. He said "Too bad. Well let me buy you a drink anyway." We sat and talked, he spent most of the night complimenting me and dancing (which I havent done in literally years). It was nice to be told how beautiful I was and how nice I looked. It had been so long...
I started going out with my girlfriends more (I couldnt pry FI off the couch) and I would get hit on. I would always be up front and honest and tell them I was engaged but that didnt stop most. I began to collect numbers so I could text and compete with FI when he would spend most of the night texting. My intentions were to keep it innocent and just give FI a dose of his own medicine when it came down to the constant texting, until the original guy wanted me to send a pic because he "missed me" I obliged by sending a cute little pic of my face. He asked for something a little more risque. I hesitated at first but sent one anyway. Then, I couldnt stop. I sent one to all the guys I collected and was constantly taking more. They liked them, and wanted more. I got text messages saying, "i miss you", "you're so hot" and "your body is amazing" and I just kept wanting to hear it so I kept sending the pictures. Nothing physical, besides dancing ever happened with any of these guys, and like I said, I told them all I was engaged.
One day, FI gets a hold of my phone, and sees a text from one of them asking when I was going to "give it up" to him. He throws my phone and storms out. We talk and I tell him about the guy and how we met. He was upset but decided to stay. Then the next day, he found all the pictures I sent and received, thats when the real trouble started. He was so hurt and upset by me. I knew he wanted to leave, but I didnt want him to. I wanted to work it out with him, I just needed to fill that void in my life. After talking and crying, we decided to work it out and stay together.
Ever since then, things havent been the same, obviously. He has been angrier and angrier at me and sometimes can say the most hurtful things. We have since moved into our home, and he has been drinking more and more and spent more time on the phone. One day recently, I got a hold of his phone (he was sleep and it kept going off)and found out that he had been flirting with a girl he works with and has tried to get her to sleep with him. I confronted him and he expressed sincere guilt and I decided to stay, I knew karma was coming back for me. And then a few weeks later, I found more text messages (he was sleep again and if you dont clear the messages, your alarm doesnt go off) of him telling a girl he loved me but he was no longer in love and he was being very flirtatious with her. I left that night, I couldnt take it. We talked about it the next day and decided to work it out.
FI and I have been at odds, talking back and forth about what to do. We havent cancelled or postponed the wedding. He says he still loves me and wants us to still get married, he just hasnt gotten over what happened last fall. He wants to postpone, but if he spent all this time trying not to get over it by drinking and distracting himself with other girls, then why should I postpone? I would sooner cancel...I know he's hurt and I know it's hard to get over, but I feel like with his attitude and the way he treats me now is getting to be a little excessive punishment. I am ready to get married and I dont want to be with anyone but him, ever. I am spending the weekend at my mom's so he can have some thinking time. But my question is, am I asking too much to want to marry him, and want him to marry me? Am I wrong to not want to be punished anymore?
I'm sorry that you are going through this, but it isn't just his fault. You were both in the wrong here. You are not wrong to not want to punished anymore. He shouldn't have forgiven you if he didn't mean it, which he obviously didn't.
Have you thought about counseling? I would definitely look into it. I know if my FI were even texting another girl, let alone sending dirty pictures to multiple people, I would be gone.
Wow. My only advice is that if you both truly want to work things out, you need to go to some kind of counseling asap. You both have made mistakes and if your willing to work together than I think things can be fixed, but if not then you may need to go your separate ways...
This sort of reminds me of the Sex and the City movie. Steve cheats on Miranda, and when they go to counseling, he says that she made it hard to trust him b/c she keeps punishing him for the one thing he did wrong. Meanwhile, she's hurt b/c of him cheating on her, and rightfully so.
I really think that if you guys want to work out your relationship, you need counseling. Otherwise, the resentment is going to build up on both sides. you both betrayed each other (it doesn't matter who did it first), and you keep trying to get back at each other. It's not healthy, and you need to appreciate each other more. Sometimes though, a relationship and trust is too far gone to get it back. It might be that you guys are not meant to be. But...I think counseling will help you figure out whether you want to be together or not.
I hope things work out for the best for you, and keep us updated on how they turn out.
I would definitely seek professional help. Otherwise, I feel like it'll keep going back to this when you guys do fight. I think that you both need an objective outsider to sit with you, and for you to really hash it out to the nitty gritty.
Wow, from your story, it doesn't sound like either one of you is ready for marriage. You both are "acting out" like you CRAVE the single life. Those text messages are really invasive and inappropriate when you're supposedly engaged and committed to each other. By no means am I judging you, but I really don't think you guys are ready for marriage. Getting married won't solve your current problems... without an intervention, they will just escalate and probably lead to divorce. I would consider postponing the wedding and go to couple's counseling ASAP. I'm sorry you're going through this, but it's not too late to salvage your relationship.
I don't think this is something that you can't get past, but you both seem pretty miserable....are you in this relationship because of the convenience? Or because you truly love each other? I think if you want to make things work you really need to figure out what is holding you together. It seems that each of you feel like something is missing and if you don't fix it you could just be heading for disaster. I hope that you can figure something out that will be good for both of you.
I'm sorry you're going through this... But it sounds like he got so angry because he had been doing the same exact thing as you all along. My advice would be to take some premarital classes and really get down to the bare bones of your relationship. I hope the situation works out for the best for the both of you.
If you feel that way I would seek counseling... be it pre-marital or private. And I would postpone or cancel the wedding. Until you are both happy independetly you would be happy together. And if you are both having inappropriate relationships with other parties then I dont think you are comitted enough to eachother to get married. Thats just my opinion..
I think this is completely un-fixable. You are both too immature to be ready for marriage. Even if you attended counseling, and somehow both gained years of maturity, I think your new clarity would only let you see what a mess this whole thing is. It's not a healthy relationship at all. There are about a million red flags. You both need to make a clean break from each other and move on.
I also think counseling is the best option. And I wouldn't get married this Oct. until you've gotten everything straight. I'm not sure this relationship is fixable, but I would definately try counseling and see what happens.
Sorry you are going through this!
I am sorry to hear about this. But I think that if something like this can happen once, it can happen again...and it will be easier to resort back to that everytime your two go through a hard time. Whenever one of your gets upset with the other you will very quickly go back to texting and talk to the opposite sex...which will end in disaster everytime. This could and will most likely be a long term problem, and his drinking will not help matters.
Just ask yourself why you want to marry him. When you marry someone you need to marry them for who they ARE. Not for who they WERE or who you hope they will BECOME. I see alot of times in relationships like these it is hard to give up because they are in love with who the person used to be....but if he is not that person you fell on love with then why are you marrying him?
Just some things to think about. I hope it all works out and I wish you the best of luck....
This is tough. I know you love your FI. But to be honest, there are so many red flags in your post and problems with your relationship that I don't even know where to start.
Don't get married right now. Postpone the wedding until you have gone to some couples counseling to see if you can work through these issues. This isn't something that is going to get better on its own, and you guys owe it to yourselves not to start a marriage with these types of issues in tow.
Good luck to you.
It sounds as if both of you hurt each other because neither of you can communicate how you feel. It seems that instead of being vunerable and saying "you hurt me" you each are looking for ways to"get back" at the other person. Personally, I would postpond the wedding and seek couples (and maybe individual)counseling. Good luck with this.
To be honest, it sounds like there were serious problems before any of the flirting/cheating started occuring. Some things are normal... less frequent intimacy, things seeming less special. But this goes beyond that to the point where you're really both pushing each other away, looking for attention and affection from others.
I agree that it seems like neither of you are ready for marriage... it's not really your age, but it seems like you're both yearning for the single, going out, flirting type of interactions that you missed in your late teens/early twenties because you were serious that fast. Those are totally legitimate experiences.
Maybe I'm reading this wrong... maybe you are happy together and the distrust/ignoring/etc has just snowballed. But it sounds like a bad situation to commit to from my perspective. I think you should at least postpone the wedding. Decide if you want to get really serious about fixing your relationship, want to take a break, or what. Honestly, if he's punishing you for doing essentially the same thing he's been doing, that's a big warning sign to me.
Have you read the book, His Needs, Her Needs?
The book talks about how to affair proof your marriage and what to do if someone has cheated.
The idea is that if your spouse/other isnt' giving you what you naturally need in a spouse/other then you will naturally go out and find it yourself. If an affair does happen, the other person has to over fil your needs to help avoid cheating again.
From what I understand here, both of you aren't giving each other what you need. You still aren't in a good relationship and if he continues to treat you this way you will continue to seek out attention and love.
I think counseling asap is your best bet!!! I would give it a good solid month or so before you make any decisions. I think you both are going about it all wrong. If you are trying to work on your relationship, you don't try to 'compete' with the other person by talking to other guys. But, I really truly feel like you love him and are sincere in your wanting to marry him, and I think it's absolutely worth trying to work out. One thing I would suggest, is changing both of your numbers, start with a clean slate. Even if it's a hassle to do so, you will both show each other that you are committed to this and working it out. Good luck.
Where is Miss Seashell when we need her? :)
There are too many things that seem wrong right now for you two to be getting married. I agree with getting counseling and see where it goes from there. There is obviously issues with the contact you had with the other guys, but from your perspective, I wouldn't marry a man that was trying to sleep with another girl and told her that he wasn't in love with me anymore.
I think you need to try your hardest to step back and view this situation objectively. It does not sound like you two are ready for marriage.
I'm not sure why you're being 'punished'. From what I understand it sounds like he was just as bad if not worse. It almost seems like he's playing on your guilt to make you forget his bad behavior and it doesn't seem like he's ever stopped with the texting and the flirting with other girls.
It sounds like you guys have a lot to work out, not that it can't work out, but I think it would be disingenuous at this point to stand before your family and friends and make that promise of committment. I would not be comfortable at this point in your relationship saying I know this is going to work. There's a lot of baggage to get through and at least for me I'd want to work on it first and see if things can change and work......because it doesn't sound like a happy relationship right now and I wouldn't get married on hope that it will become what you want it to be.
You are doing the right thing by spending a weekend apart. You both need to clear your heads for sure. And you should definitely cancel the wedding, that's asking for trouble if you 'postpone' it.
I just don't know how you can come back from this without breaking up. YOu have to spend REAL time apart and figure out if you really love each other. Counseling is a good idea too, but I think time apart is more important.
From what you've said here, besides the texting disaster, I honestly think it sounds more like you want the idea of marriage, and not necessarily the man himself. Yous aid you fell for him hard, and immediately wanted to start planning your life together. I think you wanted a certain lifestyle so bad, you decided to ignore all these red flags, which are very, very serious.
I do not judge you at all. No one deserves to be in a miserable relationship. I think you both just met young and stayed together because the idea of a life together was appealing. I think if you took time away from him (longer than a weekend), you'd realize what a mess you're both in and that you'd be so much happier dating other people and catching up on things you missed when you were younger.
It sounds like you know getting married will not fix this problem you both have, so I know you'll make the best decision.
I don't have any advice beyond what other people have said, I just want to send a hug your way and wish you both the best. Just remember that at the end of the day, it's your relationship and your life. Only you know the extent of the problems and only you can decide whether or not it is fixable. I wish the best for you both!
counselling, like YESTERDAY.
it sounds like yall still care for each other, but nothing is healthy about doing things that are UNhealthy for your relationship whether or not they are "technically" cheating.
seek help for the both of you so you enter your marriage with a clean mind and soul.
good luck and big hugs for you. relationships are never easy...
Oh girl, I’ve glanced through the responses, so I apologize if I’m repeating.
First, I would take some time – some real time – and step away. I know it will be hard, but I think not talking to him for a few weeks might be good? Mostly, so you can make a decision about what you really want.
A good friend of mine did this – she stepped away for 3 weeks – she refused to speak to him for that long, so they both could assess what they wanted. She was actually intending for it to take longer, but it didn’t. He realized while she stepped away that it was what he wanted, and they are now married happily. I agree that counseling is good, but maybe after you decide what you want? Or maybe to help you decide. I just believe in the “taking the time away” thing, to clear your mind, so you arent fighting or arguing, and you either remember what you had and work toward that, or you realize that the possibility of someone else really is better for you. If neither of your needs are being met, its time to do something about it.
I don’t know what to tell you about the wedding. It depends on when it is and how long you have until it. Postpone it if you need to, PLEASE DO. when your 70 you wont regret postponing your wedding, but you will regret being with the wrong person and not allowing yourself to know whats right for sure (either way!).
Take some time for you, rest, reflect, realize that we all make mistakes (that goes for both of you!) and decide whats worth saving, or what might be worth finding somewhere else! Best of luck darlin’!
I agree with everyone else. I think that sometimes, especially in your early 20s you get wrapped up in the idea of marriage. You've been with this guy most of your dating life and always pictured the future with him in it. It's exciting to get engaged and can "fix" some problems for the short term, but don't let it carry you away. I agree that it sounds like neither of you are really happy, even though it sounds like neither of you really wants to hurt the other. Don't get married just because it's already in progress. It's ok to cancel, even if you lose some money.
I was in a similar situation...with a guy for 5 years - starting in college. We truly cared about each other and I really thought I wanted to marry him, but by the end of the relationship, we were "best friends" but nothing else. I probably would be unhappily married to him right now if we hadn't been "brave" enough to break up. It was really hard moving on, but it was the best thing for both of us. We still talk occasionally and are both getting married this summer (4 years later).
I'm going to have to say that I don't think counseling is the answer (sorry). The harsh reality is when you find that person you truly love and want to be with there is no need to look outside the relationship and that goes for both you and your fiance. I am sure you both love each other and sometimes we get so comfortable in realtionships that we settle. Is he really everything you dreamed your husband would be? Don't think that when the ink dries on the marriage certificate that he will magically be a different person. This sounds like you need to let this relationship go and let it be a learning experience and room for growth for the right relationship. Hope everything works out for the best ; ).
Honestly, to me this sounds a bit like my best friend's situation last year. She's 25 and had been with her boyfriend since she was 17. They both started doing things that were "borderline" cheating. They ended up breaking up a few months ago, and honestly, both of them are better off. I think they both felt on some level that they had missed out on things in college and their mid-twenties. You and your fiancé are being destructive, both to yourselves and to each other. I'd say with certainty, like other Bees, that you're not ready for marriage. I'd also say, going off of what you've written here, that you two shouldn't be together at all. While all relationships go through tough times, you two have completely undermined any sense of security and happiness you should feel in a relationship. Your relationship should be your "safe place" in the world, not the center of your misery. You've lost your trust in one another, and probably some respect. You're young. Be good to yourself (and fair to him).
I don't really know you or your FI or the totality of the circumstances, and neither do any of the bees, so we aren't informed enough to tell you anything about your relationship beyond there are clearly problems here that you recognize and are unhappy about. Go to counseling. IMO you don't need to pecide about postponement until the point where you'd be sending out invitations. If you aren't ready by that point, maybe take some time to work on your relationship.
It sounds like he was emotionally cheating on you before you did anything. Which prompted you to engage in a sort of emotional cheating (and beyond), too. Obviously, both of you did something wrong.
Why would you want to stay with someone who has made it extremely clear that he does not care about your feelings at all? And, knowing that you check his phone, he does not even care enough to delete his messages to hide them from you. Don't get me wrong - it's not in any way "noble" to cover up an affair or whatever you want to call his flirting. But he didn't admit it to you or cover it up. He just didn't care one way or another if you found out and got hurt.
If you enjoy going out, flirting, and having fun, then do it. But break up with ths guy. I'm pretty sure you can't make people change. And, by his actions, he has demonstrated that doing pretty much anything else is more important and more entertaining than spending time with you. Not that it isn't okay to have some alone time, or friend time, or video game or texting time, but at some point, he should probably want to hang out with you, too.
Sorry if this sounds callous. It really isn't. If I was in the same situation, it would break my heart. But, everyone deserves to be with someone that wants to be with them and that treats them like they are worthwhile. You included.
Please do not go through with the wedding. This relationship is damaged and it cannot be fixed. You both have trust issues. You don’t deserve to be punished. He doesn’t deserve to have you play mind games on him (even if your relationship with other guys was/will never be physical). Not marrying him now may hurt but getting a divorce will hurt more. Save yourselves both the headache and get out of this relationship. You deserve to be loved. He deserves to be w/ whomever he wants….but not make you wait in the wings. I am sorry this is going on but the objective way is to end these mind games and go on with your lives as healthy individuals – apart from each other.
I haven't read the responses...it sounds like you guys aren't ready for marriage, either to each other or to anyone. Cancel the wedding or at least postpone indefinitely, decide if you want to dedicate yourselves to this relationship 100%, then go to counseling. I hear ya, it's tough ...GL
Okay.. I am sorry to be the first person to suggest this, but this relationship has me very worried and therefore very worried about YOU and the idea that you might still go through with this.
Are you sure he isn't cheating?
I know it seems *incomprehensible* but from reading your story about all the texts, all the time on the phone, the SEVERE drop off in sex, I don't think it's out of the question. Usually men who are being unfaithful will then have complete over-reactions to something that is "borderline" like you sending a text because it takes the attention off their bad behavior and makes you feel guilty, like you need to be a better girlfriend, etc etc. I really think counseling is a good way to go and be sure you have all the facts before getting any further into this.
A relationship should not be about you two hurting each other and you can do much better than this if he is not treating you right or making you feel special. If this relationship can get back to that point, great, but it will take a LOT of work. Good luck.
Premarital counseling....you guys need to learn to communicate again.
Also, get a game called "The Ungame:Couples"
Your relationship can work...you guys just have to work on it.
It has been said a dozen times here already, but you need to seek professional help ASAP if you really want to work this out, and i hope you do!!
Not to be blunt, but don't do it. Don't ruin your young life getting married to this dude.
You want to be married, you've been settling into the idea for a while now, and I know it's hard to shift out of that, but you need to.
Marrying your teen-years sweetheart works for some, but not many, and I believe you fall into the latter category.
No relationship built to last has this kind of childish back and forth. It seems like he began this texting nonsense because he wasn't truly happy, and you began to "get back at him", which is really not healthy. Or a normal thing to do to someone you love.
Cut your losses before it's too late.
Thank you all for your opinions and advice. I know its hard to kind of analyze the situation without knowing the full monty, and I appreciate all the help. I want to marry him, not because I like the idea and not because I am swept away but because I truly and deeply love this man. I still look at him as he's sleeping and snoring in my face, I still get butterflies when he texts me or calls me. I get excited when he comes to bed because I love to snuggle up next to him. I have imagined nothing more than spending the rest of my life with him, its just I got so carried away with the attention and I was feeding into it. I dont want to lose him and am willing to do whatever it takes to make our relationship work. Getting married to him is like my ultimate dream come true and I dont want that to slip away...
What about his behavior though.... it seems like he's been treating you bad for awhile, even before you did anything.
As the other posters said, you and your fiancee need counseling. Fault and blame lie with both of you, not just one. Hopefully through counseling you can both work thru your joint issues. Best of luck to you and hope everything works out for he best. Hugz, Maggie
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