(Closed) I don't understand luteal phase and spotting

posted 5 years ago in TTC
Post # 3
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Buzzing bee
  • Wedding: April 2011

Spotting can happen during early pregnancy or even mid-cycle when you’re not pregnant for various reasons, so you only know for sure a new cylce has started when you have full-flow bleeding.

Post # 4
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: September 2012

I agree with the previous poster. Spotting can still happen with a successful pregnancy and an egg can still implant while spotting.

Post # 5
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Helper bee

Thanks for answering this!

Post # 7
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: November 2009

Spotting can also signal low progesterone, so although you can spot and become pregnant, if it happens too early, it can also interefere with successful implantation.

I had an LP of about 11 days which is still considered normal, but I would always spot 2-3 days earlier.  My RE said it’s kind of like pulling the carpet out under the embryo before it gets a chance to get comfortable.  

If it is consistent each month, I would definitely talk to your doctor.  It could potentially be an easy fix.  

I counted bright red as Day1 although for me, it would usually be very heavy right away.

Post # 8
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: October 2010

@JaneyD: or anyone else: Do you have any idea what the ‘easy fix’ would be? I’ve been consistantly having about 5 days of very light, dark brown spotting before my period, but I also have a very long LP– 16 days. So the spotting starts on what would still be a normal period start date. Other than just being annoying, I worry about the whole ‘pulling the carpet out’ thing when we TTC…

Post # 9
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Buzzing bee
  • Wedding: August 2010

@CuriousOne:  If you spot for two days, and then get full red flow at 11 DPO, your LP is TEN days (the 11th day after O would be CD1 of your new cycle).  If you are consistently having a 10-day LP, I would see your doctor… although some doctors will tell you that a 10-day LP is fine, the average range for implantation is 6-10 DPO (with 8-10 being the most common), which would make me really uncomfortable.  Like @JaneyD: said, if you are spotting before you get AF, you are kind of pulling the rug out from implantation before it can even begin.

Spotting is anything tan, brown, pink, or red that is not full flow.

According to my doctor and my extensive research on spotting (I always spotted 2-3 days before AF), pre-AF spotting that is not O spotting (i.e., spotting that occurs 1-4 days before CD1) is NOT normal and can be related to:

  1. Implantation.  This is actually really rare, despite what you see on TTC boards.  I psyched myself out every darn month thinking that my pre-AF spotting was implantation, but it’s likely not…
  2. Low Progesterone.  This is the #1 cause of pre-AF spotting.  P keeps your lining strong and supports early pregnancy, so low P can cause your lining to break down before your hormone levels drop enough to start AF, causing spotting.  If you are consistently spotting before AF, you can ask your doctor to check your P (blood test at 7 DPO) to make sure it is normal.  If you P is low, it’s actually a pretty easy thing to solve – your doctor will put you on P supplements to help you stay KU.  There are TONS of ladies on here who have had successful conception and pregnancies who have naturally low P.
  3. Endometriosis.  Endo will also cause pre-AF spotting (this was the cause of mine), but there is no reason to jump to this conclusion unless you are having other endo symptoms.

Taking certain supplements, especially vitamin B, *can* lengthen your LP and help with the spotting, but you should do your own research and talk to your doctor before starting a supplement.

All of that said, spotting can be very normal during early pregnancy, but doesn’t *usually* start until after you would know you are KU.

Post # 10
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Buzzing bee
  • Wedding: August 2010

@foodnerd81:  If you are having a consistently long LP (16 days) and spotting for 4 days before, I would ask to get 7 DPO bloodwork done.  Both of those things *could* indicate a hormone imbalance.  However, it is unlikely that you are at too much of a disadvantage because of your spotting – most successful pregnancies implant by 10 DPO, and each day after that that your blastocyst implants, the higher the rate of m/c (because late implantation is linked to low egg or blastocyst quality) – so if your spotting is not starting until 12 DPO, you are unlikely having the “rug” issue.  :o)

Post # 11
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: October 2010

@septcabride:  Thanks. Pretty much what I was thinking. I’m not due for my annual appointment until Sept, which is the same time we plan to start trying, so I’ll probably wait until then. I was taking a B Complex pretty religiously in the first half of the month, then kept forgetting post-O, when it would probably have helped more. 

Post # 12
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Buzzing bee
  • Wedding: August 2010

@foodnerd81:  Yep!  B is water-soluable so it only stays in your system for a little while.  To build up your LP, you need to take it after O.  B never prevented my spotting (like I said, mine was endo related, so nothing was going to help), but it *did* increase my lining.

Post # 13
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Helper bee
  • Wedding: November 2011

When I went off bc, I noticed that I spotted the day before AF. I did have implantation spotting at 8 or 9 DPO where it was literally a spot of blood totally out of the ordinary. I gave it a few days convinced that it was nothing before I tested. By the time that I tested and was out of denial that I really could be pregnant, I got a faint positive. It got stronger in the days following. For me, regular spotting was just spotting. The actual implantation spotting was a small spot of blood. Before that, I was kind of convinced that implantation bleeding/spotting was a myth, but just one spot of blood was enough to convince me to test a few days later.

Post # 15
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: November 2009

@foodnerd81:  @septca pretty much answered it.  But if it’s a progesterone issue, then progesterone.  My doc also thought Clomid would help since it makes everything “stronger.”  But oftentimes things are not simple, they are extremely frustrating!  Good luck.

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