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I agree. I don't get most marriage humor. Probably because my parents never had that sort of stereotypical dynamic. Occasionally my husband makes jokes of the "ball and chain" sort and I get annoyed. Mostly because he only does it around other guys because he thinks that is what he is supposed to do. He is generally a funny guy so I just remind him that he is better than that really banal, cliche humor.
I think King of Queens is kind of funny actually! But I don't really watch many sitcoms on a regular basis. A lot of times I find the jokes on the show pretty eyeroll-worthy and usually overused anyway.
Ugh, yeah, most annoying stereotype is that clueless, horny for anything with boobs, not responsible for his actions TV husband.
I actually got annoyed with Desperate Housewives for that this week. It was supposed to be funny that Carlos was pointing out Lynette's breasts and saying his own wife needed an upgrade? Ugh.
I agree with you, corgitales! It is ridiculous how one-dimensional these characters are... how did Raymond last 9 seasons?
I love King of Queens! But yeah, I wouldn't love it if I lived it! This is something I've never really thought too hard about but you're right. If we had to deal with it it'd be anything BUT funny. Usually I'll think, "I'd kill him if he did that" or something along those lines. But if my future hubby takes cues from the shows, we'll have a problem! Lol, lets hope he doesn't :)
I am taking this way back but I do not like Al Bundy from Married With Children!! UGH!!
My husband and I always joke about the stereotypical couples. There's always the slobby, goofy husband and sassy, bossy wife. Neither of those really fit us at all!
Dont get me wrong... I still watch all the sitcoms... I just think at least once an episode "omg why did she marry him" or "omg I would divorce his ass like woah."
Kind of weird but the one tv husband I can think of that doesn't drive me nuts is Dan from Roseanne. Yea they were kind of trashy... but at least when they had problems they fought about them out in the open!
I agree, Doug and Raymond drive me nuts. Now I'm trying to think about a TV show with a good husband, and the only one that comes to mind right now is Rev. Camden from 7th Heaven. They had a beautiful marriage and he was a really good husband.
Ya know, i think it's funny b/c i work with all male coworkers in their 40's and 50's and they DO play to this stereotype and they complain about their wives doing the same things Debra does, LOL. I think it's kinda funny. It reminds me of growing up with my parents. Mom was a stay at home and dad worked all day, so of course he wouldn't cook or do laundry--that was mom's job! Oye vez.
Oh this is too funny! lol I actually enjoy these shows. Probably becuase they actually are based on real marriages. NO not MOST marriages; but a lot of typical ones. lol I think you either love them or hate them. Seriously though; they really do depict the difference between men and women. Yes couples argue; yes they get annoyed with each other; yes there are quirks your going to have to learn to deal with. No marriage is perfect & they really depict that! lol However if you watch these sitcoms very often you will notice that in either (Raymond & King of Queens) the husbands are not disrespectful to their wives. It is not promoting anything bad. I think they are just finding humor in what is actually real life marriage.
Yay for Jim and Pam for having a good relationship!! :) Granted, we don't really see their home life, but he seems super sweet, and always wanted her to pursue her goals. But I agree with you all on the other husbands.
Raymond drives me nuts but it's not just him, it's everyone on the show. The mom hits too close to home for me!
I really dislike Married with Children. But I love Dan from Roseanne!
Sounds like this topic could be easily molded into a thesis dealing with the archetypes of a marriage in modern day society in comparison to the past.
i love jim and pam :) but other than that, there hasn't been a good sitcom since friends, so i don't watch many. i hate everybody loves raymond and king of queens. i don't understand the appeal!! oh and 2 and a half men. can't stand it. lol.
It's so funny because Carrie and Doug actually remind me a lot of FI and I! My parents always say this too :o) My FI is not as crazed about donuts as he is and I'm not as snotty as Carrie, but there are definitely some parallels to our life in that show, haha.
But, yeah, Raymond, I can't stand.
Yes which is why I don't even watch sitcoms, especially focused on married folks.
One of my guy friends actually pointed out how annoying Raymond's character is. He was kind of insulted that the whole show revolved around how dopey his character is.
This reminds me of one of those "Target Women" clips that Sarah Haskins does: http://current.com/items/90569059_sarah-haskins-in-target-women-doofy-husbands.htm
If you haven't seen any of her stuff, check out the Target Women: Weddings too.
I Sometimes feel like me and honey are more like Homer and Marge ,...shes responsible,takes responsibility .. and he tries to find shortcuts and tries to get things passed her ..course thank god honey is super smart unlike homey ..lol ..i don't think I could handle it otherwise..lol..
I love How I Met Your Mother as Jocelyn mentioned... especially this Robin/Barney plotline! Priceless. And Marshall and Lily seem very true to life to me - much more so than Raymond/Debra, etc.
What about Tom and Lynette on Desperate Housewives? I find the two of them to be the one of, if not the most realistic married couple on tv (and maybe that's because DH & I can identify with their personalities). And maybe also the couples on Brothers & Sisters. In both cases, though I think those are more drama than sitcom (and the caliber of actors is higher), and that influences the character development.
Jeeze...can you tell what I watch on Sunday nights?
I really like Everybody Loves Raymond. While I know they drive each other up the wall, in the end they still love each other which is what I really like about these shows. Yes, marriage IS hard and our spouses are bound to do stupid things (as are we!). Yes, these are a little sterotypical, but in the end, they can't get enough of each other. Sometimes Homer and Marge remind me of hubby and I too. Yes, Homer is a big gross dope that few could love, but Marge sees the good in him and loves him and supports him even if he's doing something stupid. Marge isn't perfect either, but Homer respects her and loves her as well. They aren't perfect, but I think they are representatives of a good marriage (that's not to say all women should be at home cleaning and such, but just overall I mean).
I love King of Queens. Obvi, Doug is an extreme character, but FI and I always laugh about he's like Doug in some aspects. I'm not offended by the shows cause they're just going for the laughs. Although sitcoms generally aren't my favorite kind of tv.
I'm not much for the stereotypical "marriage" relationship that sitcoms often present, although I get it that they're just exaggerating to be funny (at least I hope!). But I always hated Raymond - his parents were so annoying! I'd have died :)
@ Chaotic Bliss - I don't like the entire FAMILY of Married with Children - and he's the worst!!! And yes, it could definitely be molded into an interesting thesis about archetypes ... would have done well in a class I took in college entitled "Bad Love" (yeah, I went to a Lib Arts school).
Has anybody seen Big Love? What's your take on Bill Paxton?
@alishaneva: I think Bill is more of a flawed character than a stereotype. He's interesting to me because you think go between thinking he's a jerk and seeing his past with the revelation... could anyone turn out remotely emotionally unscathed after an upbringing like that?
For me - it's just TV.
I don't put too much thought into the dynamics of these pseudo-relationships. I think it's true that if I lived it, it would not be funny at all, but I think that sitcoms and such, in general, can be unrealistic on both sides. I don't know many women that act that way towards their husbands or many that would take treatment like Ray's. Nor do i know any families that are all ponies and rainbows in real life. I think my expectations for relationships were higher than that way before these shows were around. My parents are pretty amazing. They just celebrated their 37th anniversary and are still very much in love.
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Does anyone else cringe while watching most sitcoms? I guess it wouldn't be that funny if they showed good marriages... but do they have to be SO bad?? The two worst offenders I think are Ray from Everyone Loves Raymond and Doug from King of Queens.
Ray: Whiny, never takes any responsibility for the kids, constantly trying to get out of helping with the kids or the house, doesn't stand up for his wife to his parents, constantly scheming... I could go on.
Doug: Granted, Carrie is a b*tch here too and could be a lot nicer. But still-- his singular obsession with food is so annoying. He is always embarrassing or hurting carrie in some way because of his obsession. Plus he's always trying to get stuff by her and trick her.
Okay so I know they're just sitcoms... but I find them annoying. Do tv husbands bug you too?