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As many of us not yet engaged ladies are, I was very anxious to get my ring after almost a year and a half of dating and 8 months spent living together. My boyfriend and I made a few different trips to look at rings, and I had studied them online in search of the perfect one. We had narrowed the results down to 2 different rings at Jared: One was Scott Kay that I really loved and one was Neil Lane (my 2nd choice). The setting from Scott Kay was a halo style and I told my boyfriend I wanted a .75 center stone. That "final two" choice was made about 2 weeks ago.
Soo... My birthday was two days ago! I thought that I might be getting the ring then. Got a great Coach clutch, candles, and this big mirror for our dining room I had been wanting for months. I knew my boyfriend spent a lot, so I knew the ring wasn't coming that day. Without my boyfriend knowing, I had a little cry session on the phone with my mom about how I was disappointed bc I thought the ring might have been coming. (Keep in mind I cry easily..coming off BC bc I think it makes me even worse, but just recently went off..anyhow!) I then took a shower, got dressed and my boyfriend didn't know I was upset.
Later that night, we had dinner at our place since we had a big wkend out the wkend before to celebrate my birthday. I guess I was kind of quiet all night although I tried not to be. Finally my eyes started to get a little moist and my boyfriend saw. He insisted I tell him what was wrong. After a few mins of probing I said "I just thought that maybe my gift was a ring." This created an arguement that is probably not that uncommon with girls who are ready and guys who haven't proposed yet.
After a little bit I calmed down, my grandparents called to wish me a happy birthday from 3 states away and I was fine! Right after that phone call my boyfriend pulls me into our bedroom and has me just cuddle on the bed. He looks into my eyes and says "I love you very much and know that I want to be with you forever" and gets out THE RING. Beautiful Scott Kay setting I wanted only with a .9 carat diamond. I was in shock. BUT... I could tell right after he did it, he felt so awkward. It was like 9:45 at night, we were in our pjs, my hair was a mess, face puffy from crying. I called my mom and texted her a picture, but he didn't call anyone. I could tell something wasn't right. We went to bed that night and he layed there saying "I just always pictured it so much better". That broke my heart.
You have to know my boyfriend, he's a successful 25 year old in business, a perfectionist. I knew he had such bigger plans in mind for our engagement. He let himself down.
We went to bed and I woke up at 4am and couldn't go back to sleep. I woke him too. The whole thing just didn't feel right (NOT bc we didn't want to be together..but bc I knew the proposal was done on a whim bc I was upset.) We talked about it and I said I cannot live with the guilt of you not getting to do your proposal and looking back on this night as it. He admitted he was so embarassed and ashamed that he asked me that way and said it was impulsive and that he didn't know what he was thinking. I'll tell u..I know what he was thinking...That he was trying to make ME happy!
I said lets just redo this some other time, we haven't told anyone but my parents and they know that I was crying bc I didn't get my ring and they'd understand that he wanted to do it right. My boyfriend was so worried that they'd judge him and thought there was no option of a redo bc it's a once in a lifetime thing (a proposal). Well after awhile I finally convinced him that I couldn't take the ring under theese circumstances and I was so so sooo sorry I ruined his proposal (He always said i would ruin it if I kept nagging).
I took the ring off. The next morning he left for work and I got a text message about how sorry he was and how ashamed he was bc it was nothing special. He said in his wildest dreams he never thought he'd be such a failure at the proposal. I told him how it was my fault and he loved me so much he was just trying to make me happy.
I think now he feels the pressure to something exceptional. And he and I both feel dumb bc who gets engaged to the same person twice ? But that's us.. unconventional. And that's me: what can go wrong will. I ruined the proposal he wanted to do bc I was crying and wanting the ring so bad. I'm such a jerk!
So needless to say we have the ring locked away in our filing cabinet. I explained to my parents the situation and they seemed to understand, but my boyfriend is still MAJORLY beating himself up about it. He feels like what he hoped for all his life is ruined and that a proposal can only be done once. He said the next time won't be special. I disagree, I say it will.
Any advice for us or similar stories. We cannot believe this happened.
And lesson ladies, be patient for your man and don't push him and ruin things like I did.
oh no, thats awful!!! its nice you didn't tell anyone right away and now he has the chance to do it how he wants too. i wonder how long he will make you wait now... LOL
happy waiting :)
I can understand where you're coming from as I was also "gently nudging" as I like to call it. I can remember several times I was upset as I thought it would have happened already and he always knew. Mine was the same way and wanted everything to be perfect and the place he took me to was closing earlier so he didn't have as much time as he wanted. In the end though it doesn't matter. I know it feels like it does (and likely will for a little), but you'll soon feel only happiness. You'll obviously remember what happened still, but the feelings you are both feeling now will fade over time.
Very happy to hear you'll soon be engaged (again) and wishing you all the best!
I think you owe him a proposal this time. Just kidding... kinda...
Anyways, please tell him not to beat himself up over it. This will make a funny story sometime in the future when this all blows over and you two can giggle about it.
I feel your pain! http://boards.weddingbee.com/topic/bittersweet-1 I think it's more common than we think, but that nagging feeling and guilt lingers for a while. Believe me... But I got over it, and if you guys just focus on the good and not one "ruined" moment, you'll get over it too! :)
Well you only get one proposal and that was it. It's both of your faults. You should have been more patient and not given him a guilt trip and he should have stood his ground and not caved because you were crying.
@tiki429: but people get to have weddings & vow renewals & anniversary vow renewals? I'm not buying that!
I think it's OK to have a do-over if he wants to treat you out and plan something spectacular. I have heard one good technique to use in arguments when things are getting too heated is to say, "Let's stop and start this over." Life isn't "perfect" and that's OK.
I don't really get what was wrong with his proposal. It wasn't a big dramatic thing, but it was heartfelt.
I think proposals are overrated anyway... the point is that you both love each other and want to be together forever, right? Not that he pulled off some epic surprise rom-com proposal. Let him know that you're just excited to be engaged and celebrating your life together.
Honestly? My FI asked me the morning after a very serious discussion that did involve some crying and yelling. It was part of the outcome where we made the decisions of how our lives were going to continue together. I was emotionally spent. I hadn't brushed my teeth or showered.
It wasn't exactly a planned-out proposal or complicated. I got my ring a few months later, and you know what? He gave it to me to help me feel better after getting some really terrible awful news. It had just happened to come in that morning.
I think there's a lot of pressure for a "perfect" proposal, or that "awww wonderful" story. But what's really important is the actual commitment, you know? It's just a step. Then there's just a wedding. Then there's the rest of your lives.
I agree with Anise on this point: "Life isn't "perfect" and that's OK."
I have really enjoyed spending time on this and other wedding related websites, but I think that at times, there is harm that comes of our culture's obsession with weddings. This is one of those times. You are going to spend your life with someone. A proposal is a request by one person to another, that you spend your lives together. That, in and of itself, is "spectacular".
There are a couple of things that really bothered me about your post. Firstly you are clearly quite young. You haven't given your age but your BF is 25, so assuming you fit into the same demographic that he does you are somewhere around this age. Secondly, you have been dating him for a year and a half. This is not a crazy amount of time. It's not as if you have been together for six or seven years and you are now in your mid thirties and you really want to be married prior to starting a family. What are you in such a rush for? Sometimes we are our own worst enemies. We are so busy rushing to the next stage in life that we forget to enjoy the stage we are in and the people that we are sharing our lives with. Please promise me that as soon as you are married you are not going to be running to get pregnant and then running to have your child in the best pre-school or have the best car or have the best couch etc. etc. etc. My point is this is a race that can never be won.
I agree with BayStateBride why put this on him? You have already acknowledged that you have had a hand in this so far, so why not take control of your own life and plan a "spectacular" engagement night for him if you want a spectacular night. It sounds like you have a great guy on your hands. He just might be worth all the planning!! Make sure you tell him so!
my god boys are dumb.
if he had the ring and it was your birthday, why didn't he just give it to you then? he must have known you'd be hoping/expecting it that day. or he should have held his ground and proposed later.
but that said, at this point it doesn't matter. you're enaged! enjoy it for the engagement not the proposal itself...
My proposal was very simple, in the park kind of deal. And I loved it! I feel like some of the women on here make a big deal over getting married and put alot of pressure on their men. We very seldom taked about marriage, and I never put pressure on him. The man has to be ready too.
@tiki429: And I agree with you!
@tiki429: Have to agree with this. After only a year and a half you should have been more patient.
It is what it is and you can redo it if you want.
Although your proposal wasn't want you two expected, it was still something you'll never forget and it was the moment he decided (though on a whim I guess) to tell you he did want to spend the rest of his life with you... I wouldn't ask for/need a redo- but that's just me
I almost did the same thing. About 3 weeks before my proposal, we were visiting with some friends at a bar and one woman started making rude remarks as to why he hasn't popped teh question yet...and when we left I had a mini-breakdown in the car over it, not knowing that he had already asked my parents and that he had been making layaway paymnets on the ring for almost a year....and on my birthday the year before I thought i was getting my proposal but didnt....so my emotions got the better of me and I cried the whole way home....I'm actually lucky that night that I didn't change his mind about it! He did propose on my birthday 3 weeks later and mentioned how hard I made it for him to act non-chelant about how upset I was after leaving the bar that night, how hard it was not to just say "here's your ring!" when we got home that night and to move past that argument...but we did and you shouldn't beat yourself up over what happend, as it's a very emotional time in your life.
As for the proposal, if he didn't say, will you marry me or will you be my wife, then the proposal sort of stopped when he said he wanted to be with you forever....in that case, I think you should do it over again, but together. I have seen this done with couples who had been planning to get married had picked otu their rings but had yet to become "formally engaged". I know a very loving couple, who simply made a special date in a beuitiful park together, had a picnick and they made it official, he asked her if she would be his wife, be officially engaged to him...she said yes and she got to wear her ring that they picked out together. I thought it was lovely.
It's kind of your fault for pushing him. 2 years is nothing compared to how long some of these people have to wait! He should not feel bad AT ALL. He was only trying to make you happy, even though you shouldn't have been crying. It's not like he planned for months and that's what he came up with. His hand was forced.
Regardless, it's not the end of the world when people don't get that fairytale engagement story. It's the point that someone asks you to spend your life with them, not how much money or planning goes into it. This all seems a little dramatic.
Patience ladies.
I wouldn't say it's your fault you "ruined" it because I don't consider it ruined and neither should he.
It was a spontaneous proposal. What's more romantic than spontaneity? It was heartfelt and sweet and it wasn't ruined at all. You two are going to get married. That's fantastic!
You're blaming yourself for a lot of things, but I think the only thing you should blame yourself for is letting him believe that it wasn't an amazing proposal. He shouldn't wallow in self-pity over it. If he wants to propose again, that's fine and plenty of people do a second proposal. But he doesn't have to unless it'll really set his mind at ease, because that's sort of an adorable story and the most important part is that he asked you to marry him and you said yes.
Now if you had said, "Oh god I'm going to hurl I can't imagine being chained to you forever," then you would have ruined it. But you didn't!
I don't think a proposal can be ruined. It may not have been exactly what he wanted, but in the end, it's still a proposal. He shouldn't be judged on that and he should definitely not be ashamed.
I don't think you really get to have a do-over...can't put the toothpaste back in the tube sort of deal. And why would you want to? You got what you wanted - a proposal. It doesn't make it any less meaningful because it wasn't extravagant and pre-planned. I say just learn to embrace the reality of the situation, and move on.
I think that second proposal can be special. As long as it will make both of you happy- go for it!
This is the answer to "He said the next time won't be special"
:)
My husband proposed at 8 AM in our bedroom. I was wearing giant, cat-fur covered sweatpants, a t-shirt and no bra. But you know what? I remember exactly what I was wearing because it was such a special moment. It was just perfect...for us.
That being said, I understand your issue. No one wants a "guilty proposal". I think you did the right thing by putting it away and waiting until the moment is right. Let him do it his way, and you'll probably be just as surprised the next time! At least you know it's coming soon!
I'm sorry this happened and I wish you a great second proposal! Thanks for sharing. When I want to cry b/c my SO is dragging his feet, I'll think of this ;)
We have all been there. I was a gem last Valentines's Day, all quiet and withdrawn because I thought it may happen and it didn't. Even though he told me he wasn't going to. He proposed 11 days later, the day he received the ring and coincidentally the one year anniversary of us moving in together. Oh but there were so many crying nights and mascara smudged on his shirts that came before that amazing day!
We have all been there. I was a gem last Valentines's Day, all quiet and withdrawn because I thought it may happen and it didn't. Even though he told me he wasn't going to. He proposed 11 days later, the day he received the ring and coincidentally the one year anniversary of us moving in together. Oh but there were so many crying nights and mascara smudged on his shirts that came before that amazing day!
I admitt to not having read all the responses as I am heading to bed.
I am a two proposal girl. I posted about it on my blog so I will do a quick copy paste
Out Of Embarrassment I Haven't Posted This But....
I broke my engagement ring several months ago. It was so old and fragile that it would be to hard aka expensive to fix. I have been so glad that no one knows I am engaged, so no one asks where my ring is. I don't know how I did it. I broke a couple of prongs of and sort of mashed it.
Anyhoo the reason I am posting this today is because Patrick replaced my ring! I had no idea he was going to do it. I figured I would just get an indestructible wedding band and make do until our 25th anniversary or something.
He asked me to go for a walk with him and we ended up at the local Park. He got down on one knee and asked me to marry him again! Eek! Isn't he just so sweet? He said he didn't want me to feel cheated by not having the memory with this ring so he wanted to ask again. Awww!
I don't know if it helps but thought I would share.
I have to say the second proposal was more meaningful because there was no expectation of it. If you want to marry someone then you have to propose right? But not many men are sentimental enough to propose twice. There is no society expectation on it. It comes straight from the heart. I have never felt more loved.
ETA: He said he was just as nervous the 2nd time as the first. He was afraid I would say no. LOL
There are a few things that really bothered me about YOUR post.
25 is definitely not too young to get engaged - who are you to make a judgement call based on her age? Age is simply a number - age has nothing to do with the maturity level of many people.
Also, you have no clue what they have been through together as a couple in the past year and a half. When you know you are with the person you want to spend your life with, you simply just know. You don't need age and amount of time in the relationship to make you decision.
Personally, I have been with my boyfriend for 6 years and I definitely knew within a year that he was the person I wanted to spend the rest of my life with.
The hive is meant to be a place of support - she wrote on the board openly acknowledging that she has made some mistakes in the process, I don't think she needs anyone badgering her about the decisions she is making in her life.
^^^^^^ AGREED.
Awww I feel bad for you guys. You both obviously feel bad and didn't want the proposal to go down like that. As a non engaged and waiting lady, it's hard to say "poor you, you got a proposal but it wasn't what you both expected" << LOL you know?? NOt that I feel that way but hey! You got the ring! I just feel bad that your guy is beating himself up so much...all that matters is that he loves you, you love him, and he got you your dream engagement ring (With a bigger stone, huh?) It'll all work itself out :D
@ams5174: I'm so sorry that happened to you:( but honestly like other bees said in the future you will look back at it all and giggle! It's unfortunate that thats how it played out but what's done is done- no reason to fret anymore! Just wedding plan and have fun! Also IGNORE all those people being rude about your post- no one should me making you feel bad- we should just be making you feel better- at least that's what I thought wedding bees is about!
Oh gosh, same thing happened with us. I had just bought the ring, maybe a week earlier... FI didn't know and had been all over my back about it, saying stuff like, "I just want to know, if you do ask, will it be in less than a year? Less than 6 months? Less than a month?" over and over. So I ended up really having to rush it and not doing it the way I wanted. *Sigh*
At least you're not alone!
but hopefully the second time you get engaged will be better :) honestly on the night my FI and I got engaged I was upset at dinner, because he didn't propose on the beach at sunset like I was hoping (I am glad he didn't though, overcrowded and cloudy, and that is why he didn't cos he was planning on doing it at sunset on the beach :)) but he did it after dinner on the beach and it was perfect. so hopefully your second engagement to him will be perfect
I completely know how you feel! My FI and dated for three years and had always talked about getting engaged the summer before our last year of college so we could get married once we graduate. My birthday is at the end of April and he said he had a suprise planned for me (he never plans suprises). I thought that could be when he proposed since it was earlier than I would have expected and in effect be a suprise. It ended up just being a nice dinner and a day trip but I had gotten my hopes up so much that I ended up telling him on our way home and ruined the day. For the rest of the summer I tried not to think about it so it could be a true suprise. We went to the beach with his family at the end of July and I was prepared that it wouldprobably be there. On the second evening we were there he started acting very strange and was in a HORRIBLE mood. He was so mad at his grandma and aunt that were there because they scheduled family portraits the following evening. I was excited about them and couldn't understand why he was so angry about it. We got into a huge argument and ended up leaving dinner with everyone early and fought in our condo. He basically let it slip that he had a special reason why he was upset and I should know during his emotional outburst. I decided to go out and take a walk on the beach by myself (it was nightime at this point). About ten minutes into my walk he called me and asked if he could meet me on the beach. We found each other and he gave me a kiss then said that the reason he was upset is because he wanted to have engagement photos taken. At the same time he reached in his pocket and got down on one knee and asked me to marry him. I knew whencalmer me out on the beach that he was going to propose then, I just knew it. My first response to him was......"are you kidding?" Then I said yeh. I had the weirdest feeling after that. I wasn't happy but I wasn't upset either, it was just weird. Not at all what I thought it would be like. He next day he told me about the plans he wanted to do (hide the ring in a seashell and reach down to get it while we walk or have lights that say WYMM at the park he works at). I just had this feeling he did it to get it over with or spur of the moment. I guess what I longed for was something thought out and a true suprise. It wasn't a suprise at all. His attitude was also not want i would have wanted. He was in such a horrible mood and still blames his grandma and aunt for screwing it up even though i dont think that it made a dofference at all to his original plans. He said he thought we would go out to eat that evening to celebrate the engagment but they scheduled pics at the same time. We still had pics taken and went to dinner but he was in a bad mood for both of those (even thoigh he knows i was excited for both). Does he not get that the proposal is so much more important to me than how we celebrate it?!?!?! We have now been engaged for six months and ate getting married in the fall. I'm ecstatic to marry him and have no doubt about that, yet there is still a feeling inside me that longs for that dream proposal or at least that "feeling."
I didn't ruin mine, but I did put a lot of pressure (unintentionally) for FI to do a nice proposal, SO BE CAREFUL! My FI was previously married and I knew his last proposal story (park, slideshow on phone, their song, carriage ride, etc). It was romantic, but not me. Anyways, I always joked around saying he had to one-up it.
After he proposed to me in the MOST PERFECT way for us (at home, scavanger hunt, our song, a few inside jokes, dancing), he kept saying he felt bad, it should have been better, it needed more.
Sit down and talk to him about how perfect isn't the "thing" but the feeling and emotion. Perfect doesn't always mean a mountaintop or carriage ride or string quartet, but might just be the right moment, on a couch, where NO ONE is crying their eyes out before hand :)
maybe I view things differently, but your proposal sounded beautiful.
"Right after that phone call my boyfriend pulls me into our bedroom and has me just cuddle on the bed. He looks into my eyes and says "I love you very much and know that I want to be with you forever" and gets out THE RING.".
Maybe I am a different kind of girl, but I have the best times with my boyfriend in our bed (not just those times lol). We talk about our hopes for our future, our future kids, about finances, we go over our day events, we cuddle (including the dog), and every morning that is the place where he is the first person or thing I see in the morning. On my mom's anniversary or when mothers day came, and I just wanted to lay and bed and cry, that is where he comforts me.
He made it clear that he loves and wants to be with you forever. It may not have been your ideal proposal, but it was filled with love.
I have a "real" proposal and... we story a both tell everyone! My FI was planning to propose in a paddleboat in the middle of the Tidal Basin during the Cherry Blosson festival in Washington, DC. BUT... the morning we were supposed to go, the weather was looking like it might rain. Cloudy, cold- not an ideal paddle boat day. So, FI came over to my apartment that morning while I was getting ready and let himself in. He proposed while I was getting out of the shower! I sort of tackled him, SOAKING WET, and said Yes!
We went to the paddle boats anyway and took some pictures while re-enacting, which we now use to support the story we both tell everyone about our proposal- that he did it exactly the way he was originally planning. The true story is too racy for some circles and we sort of treat it as a little inside joke between us ;) (and now, all of you. haha) Both stories are special to me, just in different ways. I'm sure both of yours will be just as special to you.
@bellebride25: I love your stories, both secret and public! What a beautiful way to enjoy such a special occasion after all among the blossoms. :)
Well, what's done is done. You shouldn't have had a tantrum, he shouldn't have given in. It's over now, you have the ring, move on. To be honest, I think you're both dramatizing this whole thing way more than it needs to be.
@jbmeidl I'm sorry if you believe that I was attacking her, I think I was trying to support her by keeping her from focussing too much on the next stage in life, while forgetting the good parts about the stage she is in. I also didn't ever say that 25 is too young to be married or that 1.5 years is too short of a time to be together prior to an engagement or to know that the person she is with is the person she wants to be with forever. What I was trying to say is that 25 is not 'old' and that 1.5 years is not a crazy amount of time to let pass before an engagement comes. I was saying that we, as women, often put so much emphasis on the next step that we lose sight of the beauty that comes in the every day, and that this can be a very damaging practice, clearly, or she (and he) wouldn't be so upset about this in the first place. I also think it's important as women to know that we are allowed to take control of our own lives. That we are allowed to make our own fantasic and memorable events happen. That it might be a good experience for her to plan her own spectacular proposal that they can share together and that tells him that he shouldn't be so upset for not being 'perfect' when he clearly already is (in her eyes).
I agree that you're both being a little overdramatic about the situation. There is alot of pressure on men for 'perfect' proposals from society. He could have been a little smarter about it, but you shouldn't have had a tantrum and cried. Waiting is hard, I get that, but asking someone to marry them should be about more than fancy dinners, carriage rides, and star gazing. I think you're both equally to blame but now it's time to move on and either re-do it or take for for what it is and be happy to plan your future together. Enjoy that gorgeous sounding ring!
oh well it happened and you cant change it but you need to get past it. why dont you ask him to ask you again with no pressure, go out for dinner or something, & then for goodness sakes wear the ring! its not the end of the world but both of you are acting like its some major problem, its not, nothing is ever perfect. For the record I waited 14 1/2 years lol. When he proposed it was a very romantic situation and I love him dearly but he kind of thrust the open ring box at me at dinner and said here you are. I shut the box gently and said nicely ask me again, on your knee, so he did ask will you marry me & I said "yup, i mean yes" and we both laughed. I never expected him to just say here you are, lol but i think he was nervous. Plus I wouldnt ever make a jokes about it or tell people those kinds of things, you dont need to make them feel worse.
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