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    diydolly    June 11, 2011  

    I am having some very serious cold feet.  There have been several things that have come up between me and my fiance lately, and we have been arguing more.  

    One thing is his not helping me very much to prepare for the wedding.  This had been an issue for the past year.  I had not listened to him enough about what he wanted for the wedding (not very much) and he had come to feel alienated from the process.  His response to that was to sort of go through the motions of engaging, like saying he would do a certain thing, and then not do that thing and not say anything and let deadlines pass.  It drove me absolutely nuts.

    Fast forward to now, with six days to the wedding.  I am scrambling to get decorations together and put together all the last minute details.  I figure he will help me.  It is crunch time. He says he'll help, but he acts reluctant and tells me he'd rather be watching a movie. I get upset and start to cry a little as he heads off to the other room. When he comes back, I say it is like the times in the past when he didn't help me. He says it is like the times in the past when he felt like he couldn't ask for downtime without making me mad.

    He says that this argument combined with the one we'd had earlier in the day was making him feel exhausted and pessimistic.  I reassured him that I was working on myself and my behavior really hard and making good progress.  

    So I let him go do whatever, wondering if he would complete the thing he said he would tonight.  He said he was going to watch a show.  He came back and asked if it was really ok that he was doing that, and then came back a while later and asked the same question.  I said both times that it was ok even though it was not ok with me that he watch tv for hours 6 days to the wedding when there is stuff to be done.  I felt sad and discouraged, but I felt like that was the only acceptable answer and I didn't feel like another argument.

    So, he proceeds to get drunk.  I proceed to try to do his task for him, because it needed to be done before tomorrow.  All the while he is demanding why I am doing his job when he said that he would do it.  I stopped doing it.  I felt too disheartened to complete my own work.  He went to bed without doing his work.

    I feel like calling it all off.  Help.

     
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    ClairDarling    August 14, 2010   San Diego

    this kinda makes me smile a little, knowing exactly how you feel.  i think every girl on the face of the planet goes through this to some extent in the planning process. 

    its just something you have to understand: you care.  he doesnt.  you always will.  he probably wont.  you want his help.  he would rather clean the toilet (which is what my FI told me about a month before our wedding and we had a full time wedding planner to boot).  its just life.  its like why you wont understand his obsession with fishing trips and sitting in the dirt for three day catching nothing.  or why he will never understand why we find it necessary to have 20+ pairs of shoes.

    this is not a hill you need to die on.   its just not.  you dont need to call it off or even think about doing so.  this is marriage, this is relationships.  not that its always a tug of war, but sometimes it trying to understand why the other person jsut doenst get it, and leave it at that. 

    take a deep breath, think about why you love him, and marry that guy!

     
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    simpleandchic    November 27, 2010   Adelaide, South Australia

    Either he his being a pathetic child ......or there is a lot more to this.

    If he is just being an obnoxious child I wouldcall off the wedding, unless of course there is a reason (something you have done/said to make hime feel like not wanting to contribute) which is makeing him act this way, only you know the answer to this one I am afraid.

    Edit: I just read the other posters response, maybe I am biased because my husband helped heaps, not at the start but definately in the last month, maybe I am just really lucky!Good Luck

     
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    diydolly    June 11, 2011  

    I guess it's not that he categorically not interested in wedding crapola.  The thing is that we don't have a wedding planner.  Whatever he okays and we decide to do and he doesn't help with falls on me. Totally on me.  We are right up against the line, and instead of jumping in there and helping me, he wants to watch tv and maybe suggest that we should just cancel aspects of the wedding rather than him having to stress at all to lend a hand.  

    The big issue is that I feel like I cannot say,  no, it's not cool with me if you watch tv while I scramble to put our wedding together.  To say that is a major problem because I am not letting him be him and am not making it okay for him to say that he needs copious amounts of down time when he believes he needs that.

     
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    simpleandchic    November 27, 2010   Adelaide, South Australia

    @diydolly: Seriously he needs to help, you need to tell him, 

    Tell him you want his help and hear his response before you cancel a wedding, he sounds like he is 'taking the piss' (not sure if that is just an Aussie term) 

     
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    bhs133    September 3, 2011  

    I just don't think planning the wedding is something guys get totally into. I wouldnt take it so personally. Do you have some friends that can help you? 

    I don't expect my fiance to help with crafty stuff. I have over 150 save the dates to address and he hasnt offered to help, but that isn't something to argue over. I have learned after 6 years that you must pick your battles. Somethings just arent worth getting mad over. Plus he probably hears you saying it is ok that he watches tv so he thinks you truly mean it. They are not aware of our "code words" to try and get them to do the opposite. :P

    I have over 5 friends who have already gotten married and this was an issue with them too so you are not alone. I just learned to not expect him to get down tothe nitty gritty dirty wedding planning stuff. Therefore, I haven't asked him to choose between this purple or that purple. He helped with the venue choice, dj choice, photogrpahy and cake. Other than those items he is pretty much trusting in me. 

    Unless there are deeper issues or problems then I wouldnt call off the wedding. I hope evertyhing works out! 

     
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    NatDawn    July 2012  

    Getting married is stressful for everyone involved. Cold feet are normal! Try to remember that women are much better at multi-tasking than men are. It's not fair, it sucks that they can't give it 110% like us women do, but sometimes you just have to pick your battles.

    Maybe sit down with him for a few minutes and watch his show with him. This will remind him that you can take time for the things he is interested in. I also think that will spark his interest to get to what is important to you.

    Remember what the wedding is all about-being together. Try not to see this for more than what it is. He is likely nervous about the wedding also, and watching tv probably helps keep him from feeling overwhelmed.

    Go sit next to him, snuggle up and smile at him. I'm sure it will make a huge difference in how you are both feeling. Remind eachother what this wedding is all about.

    Maybe have a nice glass of wine tonight before bed and allow yourself to feel the excitement of getting married!

    Good luck!

     

     
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    diydolly    June 11, 2011  

    I had sat down and watched and enjoyed his show with him for an hour and a half already.  I actuallu think he should follow through with his verbal commitments rather than me let him off the hook for leaving me high and dry at the eleventh hour because he has less intrinsic interest in decorating than I do.  I don't think he should get drunk when he promised to help me.

     
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    diydolly    June 11, 2011  

    I have done almost all the rest of the crafty stuff, but I need help now just before the wedding.  I don't have friends who can help right now.  It is also now or never for decorating our venue.  And darn it, it's his wedding too, and he promised me he would do this.  I was counting on him.  It would have been another thing entirely for him to have informed me a while back that he would not be helping me at all.

     
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    burris4    December 16, 2004   Illinois

    Well, I can tell you that if he is this way now, don't expect much help when you have a baby.  Looks like all the feedings, changing, playing, and bathing are on you.  I hope you are okay with this if you marry him.  I know it hurts but men DON'T change when they get married.

     
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    MapleBecky    July 9, 2011   Canada

    I think you should see if you can get away, not do wedding planning at all with him for an afternoon or overnight, and talk to him while you're away.   You probably need to reconnect again and realize why you want to get married.

    I find wedding planning to be so consuming.  We always seem to be talking and planning the wedding.   I have felt a bit of a strain at times too, but I think it's normal.  If you think the bone are there for a solid relationship, you should be okay.   If you have serious concerns, you need to have a heart to heart now with him.  

    I'm sorry, that feeling is a terrible one.  I hope you can be reassured.  In the meantime, recruit other people to help too!

     
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    iheartnerds    October 9, 2011   Massachusetts

    My FI doesn't care about the wedding either. He just wants to be married; how we get to that point is little concern of his. I know it's frustrating but I don't think it's a valid reason for canceling your wedding. Best of luck.

     
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    peanuthead    October 1, 2011  

    Hi - I'm sorry you are having a hard time.  Is there anyone else who can help you like your parents or family? 

    Like others mentioned here - this type of stuff isnt most men's favorite stuff to do in the world.  As you said yourself, you've sort of ignored his desires and made this your own.  Any ownership he had has been taken from him so I can definitely understand his disinterest and possible resentment.

    I say just suck it up and get it done. 

     
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    diydolly    June 11, 2011  

    What if like Burris said that he decides he has less interest in caring for a baby and raising children than I do and just doesn't do as much as I do because he doesn't feel like it, that he would rather be doing other things.  I am not such a maternal type that I want to raise a kid virtually by myself.  What if work is not something he is interested in too much and he decides not to do very much of it?  What if there are other promises he makes which he subsequently finds unpleasant and doesn't follow through with but are important to me?  What if I continue to risk anger and blowups from him if I express displeasure with any of this?

     
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    diydolly    June 11, 2011  

    Well, I have sort of taken wedding from him in the past.  A few months ago, he really made it clear that that's how the situation looked to him, and I really really really apologized and made huge efforts to mend my ways. He told me that it was really important to make the wedding his too, and I agreed.

    Is it my penance to accept him telling me he would do things, and then not doing them, and either I have to do those things, or they don't get done? This is hard for me to do.  When he behaves like this, it makes me feel like he doesn't care about me or getting married to me.

     
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    Crisark    November 5, 2011   WV

    @diydolly:From the sounds of it, you have a lot more concerns than just about helping decorate. If I were you, I'd be having a real conversation with him about the other concerns. Cold Feet can be normal but actual fears he wont tend to a baby or hold a job because he just doesn't want to are real fears and shouldn't be ignored. IMO. Good luck!

     
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    BusinessBride    April 2012   Pittsburgh PA

    Your last post is definitely going beyond just the "wedding task" stuff and translating into much more important life decisions.  Is the issue here that you feel doubtful about all of these things and you are channeling it into the wedding planning?

    If it really is about the wedding stuff, I agree with the other bees, he probably isn't going to be into it, but it doesn't mean he will act the same way in other areas in your relationship.  If it is larger, I think you need to talk to him (gently) and tell him your concerns and try to work through it so you can enjoy your wedding and marriage.

     
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    MsFoxxy    October 6, 2012   DW in St. Thomas USVI/ AHR in Atlanta, GA

    I'm very sorry that you're going through this so close to your special day.  I know that everyone says that "guys just aren't as into wedding planning as we are", but I don't believe that's an excuse for him not to help you.  It's not like you're asking for a kidney here... he can give up a few hours of time to help with a wedding ceremony that is as much his as it is yours.  This would be a red flag for me... like burris stated... what if he just decides he doesn't want to help with a new baby.. or anything else equally important?  This is unacceptable.. for me, anyway.  I would have a talk with him and make my feelings clearly known.  If there was no change, I'd cancel the whole thing.... you're supposed to be partners in life.  And sometimes that includes doing things that aren't necessarily your favorite thing to do (i.e. venue decorating) for the sake of your other half.  If he can't handle tying a few chair sashes, he most likely can't handle the challenges marriage will bring.

     
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    firsttimemom    December 18, 2010  

    At 6 days out from our wedding my DH was busy watching soccer/football with his hand down his pants. And well, that's what I expected. I think you're really lucky to have had a guy who wanted to be so involved. I would talk and ask him what you can do to bring that side of him back. 

    Maybe if he asks if he can watch tv again tell him, "Well, we do need to have ______ done by tomorrow. Do you think you can watch TV and finish them at the same time?" 

     
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    diydolly    June 11, 2011  

    I feel like he places a premium on relaxing and having fun, and I feel like these things are important, but he sometimes makes them more important than other stuff (like getting our wedding together) that I consider important.  He doesn't like to feel like he is being compelled in any way (or even just expected to do something) in any way. It makes him feel controlled and honest to god when he chooses not to do important things,sometimes I feel it is an effort to try to to take control back of the situation, but not openly, under the surface.  This can happen when I just want something that seems simple and straightforward to me.

    I don't feel allowed to express displeasure when he is doing any of these things because he would see that as controlling.

     
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    firsttimemom    December 18, 2010  

    @diydolly: "I don't feel allowed to express displeasure when he is doing any of these things because he would see that as controlling."

     and that, my friend, can be considered a form of abuse. Is he going to make you feel like everything you have to say from now on is in some way controlling? After a while, you're not going to have a voice at all. 

     
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    Rosie Girl    September 18, 2010   Montana

    I think there are a few things here. First, he should want to help you, not because it is your wedding, but becuase you need help right now and he should see that. BUT, my DH didn't do much for our wedding. He isn't into doing the crafts and such, but he did help me when I asked, even if it was just a for a little bit.

    Second, I think there is an issue with the fact that you don't feel like you can say what you feel. I think in a relationship, you need to be able to express your feelings and say things without being scared. I do think this is something that can be worked on and changed, but you need to talk to him about it and not be afraid to express your feelings.

    Third, I think this is pre-wedding jitters and because you are stressed about getting everything done before the wedding, its making you have cold feet. If you are really happy, and your relationship is trully good, and you know that this is the person you want to spend your life with, then see if you can get some people to help out with the last minute stuff.

     
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    Ika    August 20, 2011   Philadelphia

    Awww...(( Hugs))...I'm so sorry your going through this so close to your wedding, I am going through the same thing with my FI as we speak. He waits until the last minutes in any deadline that is set for him and it drives me insane! But you know what he always come through for me. I agree with PP that most men really are not into the production of a wedding but if he knows how important it is to you then he should at least make an effort to do SOMETHING. Does he have a track record for leaving you hanging when you need him to do things in other aspects of your life? I think you need to stop beating around the bush...stop acting like it's ok that he is getting drunk and watching movies and tell him you need his help now! Also take the time to listen to him as he may have anixety and just thinks that avoiding all wedding related stuff is going to help him cope. Have a heart to heart with him and see what happens

     
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    mrscpants    November 13, 2011  

    I think he sounds like a jerk, and if you feel this way today, it's only going to get worse in the next six days.  Get out now while you can.  I can't believe all these grown women here who are trying to excuse immature behavior from grown men just because "weddings aren't really for men."  It's not about the wedding; it's about the fact that he said he would help you, then did nothing, and then got defensive and mad when you called him on it.  That behavior won't stop just because he puts a ring on his finger, and you will spend the rest of your life (or just the entirety of your marriage) nagging him, being disappointed, and getting into fights because he can't be bothered to follow through on his promises.  

    The moment I told my fiance that work was stressing me out and I was too exhausted to do the essential planning stuff when it needed to be done early in our engagement, he took over and did what we needed to be done, and then told me he was happy to do it.  Had he not done those things, we wouldn't be having a wedding.  He is my partner in all things, and I shouldn't have to beg and nag my partner to help me.  And you shouldn't either.

     
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    Bubu82    October 1, 2011   Indianapolis, IN

    I completely agree with @firsttimemom:'s comment. If you feel like you can't ask him for help because it's "controlling," you're in trouble. Seriously.

    I can't quite tell from your comments in this thread, so I thought I'd ask point blank. Does he do this in other areas where there are important things that need to get done, and he'd rather just watch TV? For example, if you were having his or your parents over for dinner and needed help picking up the house or preparing the meal, would he help you? If there were a lot of errands or things you needed to do around the house and you needed him to watch your future kids for the afternoon so that you could get those things done, would he do it

    Aside from wedding planning madness, which is a one time thing, these types of situations are going to come up in your life together. You need to be with a partner who is willing to pitch in when help is needed, even if it's not always the most fun/relaxing thing he could be doing. So ask yourself if you think he really is willing to help and be a real partner in your life together, and if this lackadaisical attitude is just typical guy dislike of all things wedding-related. If the answer is no, then I think I'd quickly start figuring out if I wanted to put up with that for the rest of my life.

     
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    amor vincit omnia    May 2013   Arizona

    @diydolly:I highly doubt that he will not help you care for a baby. Its his baby too! If he ends up not changing his ways after the wedding, he will definitely change after the baby! He is probably really stressed. Like you said in your OP "I had not listened to him enough about what he wanted for the wedding (not very much) and he had come to feel alienated from the process."  Well men shut down, you made it feel like you didn't need him and his contributions were worthless. But don't cancel the wedding. He loves you still, the fact that he still periodically asks if its okay to do this or that, he still wants to be apart of it. I know this might be hard but ask HIM what HE thinks about a certain thing. And there is that idea the media of the wedding is "your day", its not, its the brides and grooms day. He wants to have some input too. So let him have a little say too! :) 

     
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    mrscpants    November 13, 2011  

    Why should she have to be in a miserable marriage with a selfish man while waiting for a baby to come along?  And a baby is not guaranteed to change him.  He is who he is today, and she needs to decide if she wants to marry that person, not the person he may or may not become after they have children.

     
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    amor vincit omnia    May 2013   Arizona

    @mrscpants:Oh I am not saying she better marry him or else lol. I am just saying that from what I read maybe she should give him a say. But its ultimately up to her. But I am not trying to push her to have the wedding.  

     
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    bhs133    September 3, 2011  

    I agree with some other posts, it sounds like there is more going on here. How long have you guys dated before getting engaged? DId he not act this way before the wedding planning started? 

     
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    MsInterpret    March 19, 2011   lesbian couple, married in Iowa, live in san antonio TX

    I agree with other posters too.  And it's not just men.  My wife had little interest in wedding details.  She just wanted to be married to me.  But while she didn't always help with wedding stuff the first time I asked, when it came down to the final stretch and I needed her help, she HELPED.  Sure, she would have preferred to play WOW or something, but she knew I needed her help so she did it.

    I am also concerned when you say you feel like you can't express your frustration without him getting angry.  I was married to someone just like that and it is no way to live.  My ex would promise to do things, then never do them.  Then when I finally got sick of waiting and started to do the thing myself, it made him angry.  Once, it made him angry enough to throw a very large piece of furniture at me, causing a saucer sized bruise on my thigh and knocking me to the floor.  And it was always the same scenario... Me: "Hey, could you please help with _____"  Him: "Sure, just a sec..."  Me (hours later) "Um do you think you could do that thing now, please?" Him: "I told you I would do it! Now drop it!"    And I learned to never ask unless it was important and even then, same response.

    And so forth, until I gave up.  I watched him once ignore an air conditioner leak in our children's bedroom for HOURS, until the entire carpet on one half of the room was soaked.  

    The point is he needs to help you whether he is interested or not.  I think that you should want to ease the stress of people you love when at all possible, especially someone you plan to marry!

     
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    diydolly    June 11, 2011  

    I feel like I have done wrong with the wedding planning in the past.  I feel like he hasn't often dealt with that in a very good way, by being indirect and controlling.

    We intend to get therapy for my issues and for his after the wedding.  Most the time I am sure that I want to be with him forever.  I had resolved to take all the wedding planning burden off him that i could since it clearly was causing him a lot of distress.  He is happy with this idea.  I am largely okay with it.  I feel like I have a handle on things.  But I was occupied doing something tonight for the wedding in another room and called out three different things that I either wanted him to help me remember or that I wanted him to get back to me with his opinions before the night was over.  I need to take action on these pieces of information tomorrow. I feel like I at least need help remembering stuff. He got concerned that I was "freaking out", even though I wasn't (and he was the one actually freaking out), that I was stressing unnecessarily and pressuring him to do a bunch of things.  My tone of voice was not freaked out.  

    I have freaked out in the past, occasionally because I was overwhelmed with the planning which I have done almost all by myself, and then often because I felt like there was so much to do and I was so frustrated because it didn't seem like he wanted to help me.

    He fell asleep without doing any of the things that I had asked him.

    I am really really frustrated. I feel like he believes that he is completely unaccountable to me for the wedding planning.  I am lucky to get any help I can get and I better be happy with what I get.  I feel like he is punishing me.  I am on the other ultra accountable for any demands I might place on him.  I am trying to have him be his happiest self on our wedding day by doing some extra work, but i don't feel like he is doing that for me. 

    Talking about this with him is like touching the third rail.

     
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    SandyThePoet    May 5, 2012   Silvis, IL

    This is how I see it. I liken planning a wedding to building a house. Some people are the DIY handy types who can really get into the whole process of building their home themselves, imagining how great it will be when the big day arrives and all their work is done and they can move in. Other people, just want to find a house that is move in ready and don't get any satisfaction from the building process, and in fact, get pretty freaked out by the idea of having to take on any project, at all. They would rather someone else handle all the messy details and when the time comes, they can just show up for the final unveiling and live happilly ever after. I suspect your FI is in that second category, and you are in the first. Problem is, you have a deadline and you are getting stressed, and your stress is getting him stressed. Not helping you with your wedding projects doesn't make him a bad person. If he is anything like my guy, who I affectionately call Mr. Unhandy, he is probably worried he will screw up whatever project he is given, and thus wreck the wedding. This fear is probably immobilizing him. He doesn't want to tell you he doesn't want to do it. BUT the truth is, he just doesn't want to do it, and he doesn't know how to tell you, because he doesn't want you to think less of him. I personally feel, you should just relieve him of all duties, call up all the bridesmaids and girlfriends, and have them come over and knock out all your projects in one fell swoop. He'll be happier, and so will you.

     
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    SecretBee23    March 15, 2013  

    Please always remember to ask yourself in every situation if you feel like you are being respected or not. This is a huge deal..a person who allows someone to disrespect them in controlling/detrimental ways does not respect themself..and that is how a lot of women get into bad relationships and end up trapped there.

    I don't personally know you, and obviously don't have all of the facts..so I'm just basing my words on all the info you've given. I also have no intention of coming off as rude or insensitive..I promise! I am only trying to look out for my fellow woman who may or may not need to hear that she is (or can be) a strong person who needs to stand up for herself..which in some cases means respecting yourself enough to leave your FH.

    .....On the other hand....I could be completely wrong in my assumptions and for that I apologize if that is the case.

    Best of luck to you no matter how everything turns out. I truly wish you the best :)

     
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    cr6zy    September 10, 2011   phoenix

    i just think you should remember its one day. before all the wedding planning and wedding chaos was he understanding and attentive and all the stuff you want him to be? if so then after all this is done he will go back. its just a stressful time. my FI is about the same way. he has no intrest in helping unless its carrying stuff in from the car when i get mad but i know after our wedding he will be back to normal. its like you wont be wedding crazed diy crafting for the rest of your life unless its your job.

     
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    simpleandchic    November 27, 2010   Adelaide, South Australia

    Just because there are other bees on here who have partners not willing to help plan the most important day of your life doesn't mean that it is acceptable.

    It's Not, He should help purely because you want him to, and it is for your wedding.

    Your not asking him to be enthusiastic about the colour scheme, your asking him to contribute.

    I would tell him that you aren't going to do anything more to org the wedding until he starts, and if that means cancelling the wedding so be it.

     
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    kate169    May 21, 2011   Virginia

    @mrscpants: Word.

     To me its not so much he won't help you with details pertaining to the wedding because he's a "man" (and apparently manly men don't like weddings they like sports and tv) that he won't complete tasks he commited himself to and basically doesnt seem to care you're stressed and frustrated. Even if "most men" don't like weddings or care about the details, I expect my fiance/husband to care when I'm stressed and help me out with what he can. 

    Why would you expect any less for yourself than a partner who is actually a PARTNER? Just because some other bees have husbands and partners who aren't invested in weddings doesnt mean you should excuse his behavior.

     
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    gina0485    October 22, 2011   Buffalo, NY

    If you two really love each other, you have to work through this together... just talk to him about how you feel - how you REALLY feel. No accusations, no arguing... just talk. If he loves you, too, he'll bring down his walls and you two will figure it out and find your peace in one another to get through the week. The ceremony and getting dressed up is the fun part, but when that's all over and done with, you're still left with a marriage to get through. If you can't get through a single day together, you shouldn't go through a lifetime together, either. Maybe he is feeling exactly how you are - nervous, scared, pressured, and this is what's affecting his behavior. Try going out and doing something fun that is non-wedding (even though it is 6 days until!).

     
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    Unicorn    October 29, 2011   Chapel Hill, NC

    "We intend to get therapy for my issues and for his after the wedding."

    I feel like this should be a red flag? I mean, therapy is awesome, and can be extremely helpful, but... planning on needing couples therapy before you get married, and putting it off until after the wedding?

     
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    SecretBee23    March 15, 2013  

    How has planning been going? Has anything gotten better?

     
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    manda21    May 21, 2011   Las Vegas

    I'm no help. I've been feeling the same way. I almost could have written this same thing. :/

    My wedding is only 10 days away. He kept saying he would help out. I gave him a list. He's done one thing in the past week. (by the way, he only works 20 hrs/wk & I work 40). Last night it was like pulling teeth trying to get him to help with our wedding ceremony script. I didn't want it to be a product of me alone. Tonight he went out and got drunk. He hasn't come come yet. I can't sleep. I'm stressed out and frustrated. 

    I wish I could tell you what to do. :C

     

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