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    okqueenbee    Dec 4, 2009   OKC

    Here's the deal. I have a friend, who is also going to be a BM, in my upcoming wedding. I paid for her BM dress, which I don't have a problem with, but was not cheap, and I had to pay $20 extra for it because she needed the next size up. This was back in July, by the way. She told me at the time that she would pay me "soon" and I told her that was fine, just whenever she could, as neither one of us was expecting it to cost an extra $20 and that's really not that much money to worry about it a whole lot. Well, long story short, I asked her about it in mid-Aug, and she said that they had been having all sorts of car problems, etc that had happened unexpectedly, and had to spend several hundred dollars to fix it. She once again told me that she hadn't forgot, but they didn't really have the money right then. I said ok that's fine, and she once again reassured me that she would pay me as soon as she could. Fast forward to right now, mid-November, and still not a word about the $20 bucks. I have not mentioned it again, because I don't want to make her uncomfortable, especially since she will be in my wedding in just a couple of weeks, but I feel that I was very generous in buying her that dress, as she didn't have the money to get it herself, and I would just like some courtesy. Sometimes I feel that I go out of my way to be nice to peole and I get crapped on in return. Please don't get me wrong. I am not going to starve without the $20. This is not a money issue. It is a friendship/courtesy & respect issue and I don't feel like I am getting that from her. We are not BEST friends, we met at my old job and were pretty close until I got a new job. I think she might actually resent me for moving on, but still... I feel very slighted. What should I do?

     
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    hotchildinthecity    June 12, 2010   New York, NY

    Let it go.  It's only $20.  I can tell you that FI and I both have pretty good jobs and no problems right now (knock on wood) and in this economy, $20 is even a lot for us.  If you're okay without it, I wouldn't remind her again.  She might be embarassed to admit that she's really having a hard time scraping together "only" $20.

     
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    Jacqi    February 28, 2009  

    While you feel like you're being generous by paying for her dress, maybe she feels like she's being generous by being in your wedding (which I see as a favor to the bride).

    The worst part about all of this is that you're making her pay $20 because she needed a large size... when at the end of the day, her dress just cost that much. Who cares what size?

     
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    spaniel    March 2010   Los Angeles, CA

    Forget the $20. If you're not hurting for it, don't hold onto it for the principle. I think when you give/lend/lay out money for a friend, you should pretty much just expect you'll never see it again (and you're lucky if you do).

     
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    MissAsB    June 6, 2009   Married in CO, Living in AL

    I would let it go too.  If you don't really need the money (and it seems like she does), you should just wait it out.  If she is a true friend, she will remember that she owes you and she will give you the money when she has free money.

     
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    Kittyachi    August 2010   New York

    Yeah I'd let it go. I understand that for you it's more the principle than the actual $20 but I don't think it's worth it to make it into a thing. I have a friend who is notorious for the "I don't have cash on me I'll pay you back" move - she probably owes me hundreds over the years but it's not even worth it to me.

     
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    DaisyBride    June 1, 2009  

    Did you pay for all your BMs dresses? 

    Just to get this straight, you agreed to pay for her dress but expected her to pay the extra $20 for it being a size bigger?  Why would you only pay for part of the dress?

    If I got that right, I think you should just let it go, it's only $20 and you are going to come off looking cheap if you keep asking for it.

     
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    okqueenbee    Dec 4, 2009   OKC

    Once again, it's not about the money (why do I feel as if I'm being criticized here?). Oh, and btw I did not ask her to pay me $20 because she needed a larger dress. I wasn't even going to mention it, and it surprised me when she offered to. I thought that was very nice of her to offer.

    I won't go into details, but there have been other things about  the way she has acted towards me (after I moved on from working with her that is) that I have questioned, even before now, and so I'm wondering if there's more to it than simply being broke or forgetting about it. I asked her to be a BM because I still consider her a friend, and we really enjoyed working together all that time. I had told her a long time ago, when we worked together and I was "waiting", that whenever I got married, I would like her to be a BM and she acted happy and said OK.

    I guess what it all boils down to is that I feel I put more effort into the friendship than she does, and I don't like one-sided relationships.

     

     

     

     
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    Miss Chapstick    September 2009  

    I agree with the others. At this point, just let it go and don't expect the get the money back anytime soon. I wouldn't have even asked for the extra $20 anyway, since it was what her dress costs, and you agreed to buy the dress for her. I know it's the principle of it, but for an amount so little, with a girl who obviously is having a tough time financially right now, it's best to forgive and forget.

    To put things in perspective: We bought our groomsmen's suits for them, with an agreement that they would pay us back for them (we all live in different states, so we agreed we would buy them after consulting on style and price, and they would pay us back within a couple months). Two never paid us back, and we were out several hundred bucks because we stupidly held out hope that they would turn back into the trusted friends we thought they were, and we waited too long - long past the return policy for the store. Now THAT is called being a jilted bride and groom :) Needless to say, they were not in our wedding in the end ... for a variety of reasons. $20 is nothin'.

     
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    Kittyachi    August 2010   New York

    OK so it's not really at all about the money, then; it's about a one-sided friendship at the heart of it, right? That makes a bit more sense. It's hard to maintain the same level of friendship with someone who was a coworker once you've left that job. If you don't mind me asking, what are some of the other things she's done to rub you the wrong way lately? Basically, why do you feel the friendship has been one-sided lately?

     
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    spaniel    March 2010   Los Angeles, CA

    Don't feel criticized! I think we're all noticing that you are attaching more significance to the $20 than its actual value. I am sure that there is something to this... it's just one of those things that you can't win. If you follow up with her a lot, she'll either pay you back and resent you forever and feel like you were 'cheap,' or she won't pay you back and you'll attach this unpaid $20 with her being a friend that always comes up short. Basically, going after this money is a lose-lose. It sounds like you're friendship is hurting anyway, so I think I wouldn't get caught up in this.

     
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    okqueenbee    Dec 4, 2009   OKC

    Yes, I paid for the BM dresses, just as I had planned to from the start.

    I know I am not a cheap person, so "looking cheap" is not a concern of mine. I am not planning to ask her for it again.

    Once again, it's more about the friendship than the money, and how it sucks to feel taken advantage of whether it's a little or alot. 

    Thank you to those of you who seem to get it :)

     

     
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    DaisyBride    June 1, 2009  

    Wow, sorry if I offended you.  I guess I got the impression that it was about the money from the fact that the header of your OP only really mentioned money and you didn't mention the one sided relationship until later.

    I think we all have at least one friend who never has cash and always seems to borrow without repaying.  Sometimes it's worth it, sometimes it's not.  It sounds to me like this friendship will most likely fizzle out after the wedding.

     
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    DaisyBride    June 1, 2009  

    Also, if someone offers to pay for something that I really didn't expect them to pay for and then forgets about it or doesn't pay up, I kinda feel like it's not as big of a deal.

     

    Again, I know it's not about the money so I guess this point is irrevalent.

     
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    Kittyachi    August 2010   New York

    Oops I just saw you said "I won't go into details but..." in your post above so I guess you do mind me asking... my bad.

     

     
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    smyley    May 2010  

    queenbee...I get it! I'm the one in my family that no one seems to have a problem with asking me to 'pick this up and we'll split it',or 'order this for me since I don't know how to do anything online'...and every time,i swear I won't do it again...but I do. Then I become the bad guy for FINALLY asking for my money back!

    Last Christmas we decided as a group to buy my Dad a new large TV. My husband found a great deal on it,and the deal was everyone was to chip in equally. I told him I was going to walk around & collect the money when we got there,as enough is enough! I did,and guess what? Some of them thought I was kidding! I stood there til I got my money,and only 2 didn't pay (and still haven't). I also just sent my sister an email asking her when she was going to pay me the $100. she's owed me for 2 months now. I got 'Oh. I forgot.'

    I'm not sure why there are so many TAKERS and far fewer GIVERS......

    It probably IS a symptom of something much deeper,but if you've been stung far too many times,resentment does start to build and fester and will contaminate your relationships.

     
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    moderndaisy    June 2010  

    Don't worry - I get that it's not about the money. I think at this point, you should assume she wasn't serious when she offered to pay the $20 extra and just move on. It sucks because people rich or poor should make good on promises, but you have way bigger things to worry about than her breaking a promise like this. I feel like people in general are weird when it comes to money and you shouldn't necessarily take it as her slighting you.

     
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    okqueenbee    Dec 4, 2009   OKC

    @Daisybride - I can see how the Title of my post would be confusing, b/c I did mention the money part of it, when in fact that is not the real issue.

    Thanks again for all the advice :)

    I definately am not going to mention it to her again.

    As far as the friendship goes, I am assuming that if it truly is suffering in some way, it will probably fizzle out after the wedding like a previous poster stated.. which really sucks, because I honestly have no idea why it would. I guess it makes sense that having/making a friend in a workplace might not really hold up if one of the people gets a different job. Especially if the one left behind in the old job still hates it.

    @ Kittyachi - You asked about details and why I feel the way I do. It's ok to ask lol.

    I'll give you an example: After I left the job, we would talk on the phone regularly (being friends and all), and she would say things like "when I told ----- (my old bosses) I was going to be your bridesmaid, they seemed really surprised."  She also said things like "------ said 'oh I didn't realize you still talk to her'" and things like that.. which got me to thinking WHY would they say that? I mean, it was a very small office we worked in and it's not like we were SECRET friends. Everyone knew we were friends, and we talked all the time. It just didn't make sense, and almost seemed like she was leaving a piece out of the puzzle. The only reason someone would question her being a bridesmaid or talking to me at all, was if they for some reason thought she didn't really like me. SEE where I'm going with this?  And when I would ask her "I wonder why they would say THAT?" She would just say "I don't know, they're weird" or something like it and dismiss the topic.

    Secondly, she would go a long time without calling me, but she has gotten 2 raises since I left the old job (she has my old duties now) and she called me BOTH times, to tell me she got a raise. OK, NOT calling me any other time, but the minute she gets a raise she calls. I am definately not jealous of the raises. I am VERY happy for her that they are treating her well, as it is a stressful job with a multitude of duties. I have congratulated her both times and meant it each time.

    NOTE: I will take a moment to tell you all right now that I am at a much better and much less stressful job now than I was when we worked together. BUT, due to the fact that she is STILL there, I have NOT bragged to her about this or even gone into much detail about it. I do not believe in rubbing things in people's faces. I am a very conscientious person and do not feel the need to show off. Therefore, any bitterness that she may (or may not) have towards me is NOT of my doing. This I know for a fact.

    Another example, sometimes when I would call (because she didn't really call me unless she got a raise), she would call me back and just sound really blah, like she would much rather be doing something else than talking to me.. She has started to warm up a bit recently, but I honestly think that is just because she is a BM and the wedding is coming up.

    Anyways, this post is VERY long, but I decided to go ahead and give details about the friendship so everyone would know what I was talking about. I don't know who will agree and who will just think I'm being overly-sensitive or paranoid, but I'm telling you, it's not the same as it was....

    Makes me sad :(

     

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