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LOL I have no answers for you but I wanted to chime in and I say Inception was awesome and I'm definitely going to need to watch it again to have any clue.
Also, remember in the first scene that they took the top from him when he was unconscious on the beach, but that was within a dream, but then what does that mean if someone else touches it in a dream? Does that mean that that whole thing was just Leo's dream, which would make the end of the movie still Leo in dreamland as well?
Ugh. Such a good movie. Needs to be rewatched and spoilers read on the internet so I can figure out what the ef happened.
Yeah I think I am now obsessed. I have been looking up spoilers online to get more info. Really really want to buy the movie now and watch it a few more times to make some notes on things. I watched it last night at eleven pm so I wasn't completely as alert as I would've liked.
And to answer your question...when they took the top from him on the beach they spun it and it stayed spinning...that wouldn't happen in real life would it? I just read something online that said even though each persons totem was unique that think about it...the top wouldn't be able to spin in real life no matter who had it. So I guess that makes my question null because that would me in the end he was dreaming even though he had her piece. In the beginning they had his piece but it was forever spinning...indicating that he was in dreamland, not reality.
Thank GOD you posted this!! I keep badgering my friends to go see it so I can talk with them about it. I did hear someone say that thing about how others touched the top so it didn't 'work' anymore as a totem. In what part did you mean when it was spinning forever? Isn't that when they were dreaming (the initial scene where he went to rescue the business guy when he was really old?)
Also to throw another wrench at you - the "other people touch it" thing only works if they touch it in reality, not in the dream.. so technically we have no idea who touched it.
I think I'm confused about the last think you said...as to those other people who touch it. How does that only work in reality.
And I was saying that it spins forever in multiple scenes in the movie. For example the scene in the beginning when the old man spins it, in the end when it is left on the table, and I can't quite remember but I know there are other moments throughout too.
Yes, I needed to post this here because I don't know who all saw the movie and my FI didn't yet.
So the rule about other people touching it, as I understood it (maybe I'm wrong!!), is that the object has specific weight and properties. ONLY the person who owns it can touch it, because if others touch it, they know the weight and properties and can "bring" those into the dreamworld with them subconsciously.. so the object will behave the same in the dream world and out. If only Leo touches it, he's the only one who knows how it feels, so it works as a totem in his dream because it will behave differently.
But I think this rule only applies in reality - ie if someone touches the totem in the dream, it won't 'ruin' it, because they are dreaming. So if the whole movie is a dream, that means no one touched it in reality (because we never saw reality). You know?
It spins forever at the beginning with the old man, but know that's a dream.
So we have to see if there are any scenes where it falls over - and if so, are they in what we think is reality? Or are they in memories?
In the last scene, although the kids faces were shown, they were still in the same clothes :) Just putting that out there...
He wasnt dreaming, it was real.
If you notice, when he is dreaming, he has his wedding ring on. When he isnt dreaming, its off. Thats a key when you watch it to know if he is dreaming or not.
I had that same question after I watched it the first time, the second time I went, i noticed the ring and followed it through the movie. In the last scene when he sees his kids, he isnt wearing his ring, which indicates its real life.
Just thought I would throw that out there!
@MissBoston: That makes much more sense now that you pointed that out. But everything in the movie requires so much thinking that it's mind boggling. But so amazingly good. Anyways, as far as the kids wearing the same clothes: many people have pointed out that that may mean the children didn't age any because in the end Leo is still dreaming.
I've also thought about this, and I actually think that his kids may be his totem. When he sees them in the dream, if he can't see their faces then he knows its not real. When they finally turned around he knew he wasn't dreaming and thats why he left the top, because it didn't really matter.
Also, sort of a spoiler but on IMDB they had cast different kids (two years older) in the final scene. So I'm a believer that it wasn't a dream. I also don't think it matters though, the story was beautiful either way. :)
@MrsCox2B: See, I said the thing about the ring to Mr. C and he brought up the point that he had let go of her at that point, and so in his dreams it's unlikely that he would have the wedding band on anymore because he had finally accepted that she was gone!
I love movies like this where there is no "real" answer to what the ending means!
hmm.. I think that it's a dream because the kids are in the same exact clothes, just like PopRox said...
Personally, I think that at the end it's real, because the top wobbles, which it never did in the dreams, and also because you more or less see how he gets to the house - in the dreams, they never know how they got there. But we had a loooooong debate about it at work and the "it's a dream at the end" camp had good points too - for instance, they aren't attached to the machines when they wake up on the plane, and also everyone in the airport is looking at him on his way out. I like the idea above that his kids are his totem (although I'm not sure that makes sense, since obviously lots of people interact with his kids IRL).
I wonder if Christopher Nolan even decided which one it was :) It seems like there's equal evidence either way.
the totem could have wobbled due to the grains in the wood.... or because he took his attention off of it, meaning he no longer cared if it was a dream or not ;)
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So I went to see the Inception movie last night (AMAZING by the way) and I can't stop thinking about the end of the movie.
I know that it is divided that some people think that the top fell over in the end because you can see it wobbling, and others *like me* think that he was still in the dream world. However I then got to thinking that way back in the middle of the movie when they were talking about having your own piece to be able to *ground* yourself Arthur told Ariadne that she wasn't allowed to touch his since that wouldn't prove to her if she was in the middle of a dream or not.
So....that leads me to this question. If Leo had Mal's piece throughout the movie to ground him, then at the end of the movie wouldn't the spinning top mean nothing since he was using her piece the whole time? I don't know if that question makes any sense but it has been running through my mind since I saw the movie.