Post # 1
So far I’ve had three professional jobs. Each job had better pay and benefits than the last, so I’ve never felt the need to negotiate.
Currently, I have out of this world benefits (think Google), but I’m moving and my commute will be unbearable. I was just offered a position one exit away from where I’ll be living, so I’ll be going from 75 minutes to 10 (woo hoo)!
The benefits aren’t as good though. It’s 1/4 of the 401k contribution, 3 fewer holidays, slightly higher health (and going from a PPO to HMO :/) and my PTO and sick are wrapped in to one (currently I have unlimited sick time).
Generally, I only take a day or two each year to sickness but we travel a lot, I generally use all the personal time. I feel like I’ll be losing out on about 5 paid days off. On the plus side it’s more money and shorter commute. Is it worth asking for another day or two off, or is that not something typically negotiated for?
I think I have to accept the benefits I have here are not the norm and are above average, and maybe what I’m going to is the standard?
What do you bees think?
Post # 4
Depends really on a number of factors. You can certainly ask but some companies are just more conservative than others in terms of perks and benefits. For example, at our company, the PTO accrual is set; it’s actually in the handbook. It’s entirely based on how long you’ve worked here and there’s no negotiating on that.
However, take working from home. There’s no official corporate policy for this (at my company) and it is at the discretion of your manager. Some managers would not be okay with telecommuting whereas some managers (e.g. mine) would be fine with it as long as it doesn’t interfere with productivity and I’m available to come in for in-person meetings and projects at any time.
As for 401k contributions, I doubt you can negotiate that (at least in terms of matching). That’s usually a set company policy and not at the discretion of HR and the hiring manager.
Post # 5
It never hurts to try. They will have things that they can’t or wont change, but you have a lot more leverage when they are offering you a job than you do at raise time. Trust me, I’m in HR. See if you can get yourself moved up to the enxt level for vacation, or see if you can get extra money to make up for the loss in 401K. Maybe you’ll get turned down, but you wont get anything extra if you don’t ask.
Post # 6
Definitely ask for some extra vacation time! They can’t say yes if you don’t ask!
Extra vacation time is a concession some companies will make because it doesn’t cost them money per say.
Post # 7
If it were me, I wouldn’t ask for more time off. I would just be happy I got a job offer. If you wanted more money, that might be different.
Post # 8
The vacation time is defintely negotiable! I don’t think the 401K, health care, or holidays are… they are company wide policies and the company would have to get everyone on the same page. I wouldn’t give up a great vacation policy like the vacation and sick time combined and use it how you please (we have the same policy). I almost would consider giving up a few vacation days just to minimize my commute (I abhor mine too), but you should prioritize what’s more important to your new job.
Post # 9
Sorry if it wasn’t clear, I was asking specifically if anyone thought paid time off was negotiable, not the 401k and other benefits 🙂
I plan to take the position regardless because I’ve had a 1+ hour commute for over 3 years now and I just can’t take it anymore, and when I move it will be a 2 hour commute each way, so to be just one exit away from my next job will be amazing!
I am giving up more perks but I think the quality of life will be far superior, I’m getting 2+ hours of my life back! But like you all said, it won’t hurt to ask about the PTO!
Post # 10
@kmarie719: Unless the position is specified under a union contract, everything is negotiable. Basically, if they want you bad enough, they’ll make the move worth your while.
Definitely ask for more paid time off and cite the additional costs of insurance and worse 401k as reasons for asking for more PTO. Explain that you are taking a hit on both so you need to be compensated in other ways. You are not interested in a lateral move.
You can negotiate a better match on 401k, by the way. An employee handbook never set anything in stone for a company.
Post # 11
Probably not, but it doesn’t hurt to ask.
At my job, we accrue our vacation time monthly. The rate that you accrue it is dependent upon how long you’ve been employed at the company.
Post # 12
@MrsTVLover: The mentality of so many women refusing to negotiate their compensation is one of the chief reasons why women are paid less than men, FYI
Top of the list of things I will teach my future daughters: hardcore negotiation tactics, step by step!
Post # 13
@solidarity: Thanks! Yeah I’ve never had to really negotiate for anything (never been taught either) so I definitely don’t have much of a spine. I don’t even know how to ask really, I will likely end up saying something like, ‘is it possible to get more days off?’. Probably because I want the job either way?
I’ll have to do some googling before I give HR a call back.
Post # 14
I try to make the best possible impression on a brand new job, so I personally wouldn’t go in immediately asking for more days off. I just don’t think “hey I generally use every single day of PTO for vacation, so can I have a few more in case I get sick” really sets the tone for a good reliable employee (obviously I realize you wouldn’t word it like that). That’s just my opinion. The benefits there sound pretty average to me.
Post # 15
@Westwood: The way to word it is to frame it as compensation, which it is, and is completely reasonable to negotiate. Seriously, who doesn’t want more time off of work? Employers know employees want this.
I don’t think it looks bad at all because they are in negotiations. It would only look bad if she asked for more vacation time after she accepted the position and started.
In negotiations, everything is on the table! And if you don’t ask for it, you’ll never get it!
Post # 16
Everything is negotiable! Start with pay, then benefits. Vacation time is a HUGE benefit! I’d have a really hard time giving up all my vacation. (We all get 6 personal, then I have 18 vacation, plus 1 extra every year). It sounds greedy to say I won’t leave for less than 20 days of vacation, but that’s what I’ll have here in 2 years…
Believe that you’re worth more. I just read an article that said if the salary you ask for doesn’t make you blush a little, you aren’t asking for enough. They offered you the job – they want you. 95% of the time they leave room in an offer for negotaition. Maybe not if it’s an hourly skilled trade. But benefits like vacation days, signing bonuses, fuel allowances, company cars – you can negotiate all of that.