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    Bellagiobride    September 1, 2012   Chicago

    Ok, I have been racking my brain trying to come up with ways to get an accurate count for our DW. As many of you know, people feel obligated to tell you that they will come to your wedding because they want to be polite. However, our wedding and reception is at the Wynn in Las Vegas, and politeness will cost us a fortune! We want people to be sure, so I comprised this letter to go on our website. Please tell me what you think of it. I will accept brutal honesty here. I would rather have my feeling hurt here than offend my guest. I just know how people can be and to not know who will be coming to my wedding for sure will drive me CRAZY! I would be much better if my wedding wasn't a DW. A few more or less people wouldn't make a huge difference, but we have already had to change our venue because the waterfall at the Bellagio was too small to accomodate the preliminary "Yes, I am coming to your wedding" responses from the STD's! I just don't want to male accomadations for people who will not come to my wedding, and I want to take extra special care of those that do come. Please let me know if this letter does the job:

     

    Our wedding venue requires a final count by April 1, 2012. In order for us to have an accurate final count, we need to be sure of who will be coming to our wedding. In order to be sure that you will be in attendance, we will require a commitment of $50.00 from you that will act as your place holder. Once you are in Vegas, we will happily return the money to you. Please try to understand that because this is a destination wedding, final numbers need to be accurate. In order to avoid the usual ”You know I’ll be there’s”,  we need something that will more or less guarantee your presence. We both understand if you cannot make it; however, we need to avoid people saying that they will come simply because they believe it is what we want to hear. A final note is to stress that the money is not refundable if you choose to not come to Vegas. Once again, we are trying to avoid a lot of back and forth. We figure that if the money is non- refundable, everyone will be 100% sure that they will come before they commit to paying the money. Thank you so much for understanding, and we look forward to you helping us celebrate the beginning of our lives together.

     

     

     

     
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    msfahrenheit    August 28, 2011   Blacksburg VA

    @Bellagiobride: Honestly, it sounds kind of rude to demand $50 from everyone attending your wedding. As a guest, I would be offended and decline. 

    I think a letter stressing the importance of RSVP is okay, but charging money is over the line

     
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    MissMaryMc    September 22, 2012   Washington, District of Columbia

    I wouldn't do it.

    These are your loved ones, not strangers

    Asking for an RSVP by some time in March is a better idea. People are expetected to RSVP accurately, and you'll have time to follow up if you need to.

    If you can't trust them to actually show up or say they can't, then don't invite them

    but I would be HORRIBLY offended if someone sent me a wedding invitation that came with a non-refundable deposit.

     

     
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    Sassygrn    June 4, 2011   Minnesota

    I agree with msfahrenhe it sounds rude to ask for money for people attending your wedding even with a note saying it will be given back.

     
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    bells    June 26, 2011  

    I dont think its acceptable to require a down payment of $50 for a wedding. It just seems rude and inappropriate to me.  I agree with msfarenheit the most you can do is stress the importance of receiving accurate RSVPs on time but thats about it.

     
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    Treejewel19    May 18, 2012   Sonoma County, CA

    No shows cost money regardless of it being a local or destination wedding. While it is rude to RSVP yes and now show up sometimes things do happen that are beyond a person's control. Unfortunately that is just part of the party planning/wedding picture.

    That being said I vote no, I wouldn't feel comfortable sending out a request for a down payment. If someone sent that to me I wouldn't be offended but put off a bit. I don't see any reason why stressing the importance of coming if you say you are wouldn't be enough.

     
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    Mrs.D-To-Be    September 8, 2012   Los Angeles, CA

    @msfahrenheit: Agreed.

     
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    vmec    May 12, 2012   Vancouver

    Not diggin' it.

     
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    MrsMeNow    September 18, 2010   Wisconsin

    I wouldn't ask for the money. I would call people and touch base with them expressing how important it is for the DW to have accurate counts and maybe put a note on your website.

    Another option would be to send your invitations very early and then closer to the date send some kind of travel pack to quests with all the time specific information?

     
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    stillme    October 2010  

    Hm... I think it's a bit too much to ask people to send you $50. I just don't see people doing that, or reacting well to that. I know I wouldn't.

    What do you mean when you say it will cost you a fortune if people don't show up--do you mean the dinner cost? Or are you paying for people's lodging too? Why is the issue of no-shows affecting you more because it's a destination wedding? 

    I would think that for a DW, you'd have a very low no-show rate, since people will have to get plane tickets and such.

     
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    msgraphics    November 13, 2011   nyc

    If I was your guest and choose to go (which I probably would not) I would tell you to keep the $50 as your gift. In other words give less than I otherwise would have.

    I'm not sure how to say it tackfully, but maybe you can ask that your guest confirm that they have flights and hotel reservations?

     
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    finnaroo    August 7, 2010   DC (living in nyc now)

    I agree with the other posters, you can't ask guests for money like this! have the rsvp date early enough that you have enough time to follow up with the ones dragging their feet

     
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    TinyTina    June 2012   Albany, NY

    All I can say is that if I received an invitation with a request to send the couple $50 deposit... I wouldn't go to that wedding no matter who it was.

    Sorry if that's harsh, but it's the truth. :-\

     
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    barbie86    August 2, 2014   London, UK

    I think that's rude, and if I received something like that I'd be pretty peeved. I mean, presumably you know these people right? So presumably they'd be upfront with you? I can't imagine that anyone we're inviting would say yes just for the sake of it, then decide nearer the time not to bother coming; if you genuinely believe some of your guests might do this, I would question why you're inviting them.

    That said I do understand your worries. But I would handle it very differently. I would personally phone people who have RSVP'd yes to double-check. Keep it light and breezy, something like 'We're so glad you can make it, just double-checking that you still can, as it's costing us a lot of money so we're really worried about people saying yes then not showing up; I hope you understand'. That way people know it is expensive, and know you are on a budget, and will hopefully take the hint if they are in two minds about coming, and give you a definite answer. Similarly, if they subsequently find they can't make it, hopefully they'll give you enough notice so you might be able to cancel their place/invite someone else.

     
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    ananeele    April 23, 2012  

    I second that.  Plus the letter sounds a little patronizing, like you don't trust your guest's word when they RSVP yes.  It also sounds like a business transaction and you want your guests to sign some form of non-refundable contract to reserve the opportunity to have a presence at your wedding.  What if someone falls ill?  Can't you just talk to everyone one-on-one and use your judgement on whether or not you feel they are serious about booking their flights, etc.? 

     
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    Juliepants    June 2, 2012   Ontario

    That is the most awkward thing I've seen in a long while!  I'm sorry to sound like a jerk, but....can you imagine receiving a letter like that!?  I wouldn't send it under any circumstances.

    Maybe you could phone the people who you aren't really sure of to get a better sense from them if they really are coming?

     
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    Bellagiobride    September 1, 2012   Chicago

    Ok, I am glad I posted this first then. I appreciate everyone's honestly. I swear, the bee saves me every time! I will forgo this on our wedding website. My dad and mom thought the non refundable part was a good idea. They are paying so I went along with it. I am so glad I came here first! I do not want to offend our guests at all. I did invite my true blue friends and family, but so many others have invited themselves. If they come, then I want to pay for them. I just know things are getting out of control as far as our guestlist, and I don't know what to do! I can't, nor do I want to tell people not to come to Vegas. I just don't know what to do. My anxiety level is rising, and I would appreciate any advice on what to do.

     

    Thanks again for everyone's honestly, I will willingly accept all of it.

     
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    Lolasmomma    April 15, 2011   Morrisville, NC

    I would also find it rude.  I would have to read it a few times to make sure I understood it correctly and then bring it to the bee to ask if it was appropriate.

     
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    MsBrooklynA       Midwest

    @Bellagiobride:  This is completely inappropriate. You are not a business. You cannot charge your GUESTS a retainer. I would be so incredibly offended if I read that I might even send you letter about it.

    To be more constructive I would suggest:

    - It's to wordy. You need to be concise and to the point but still friendly.

    -You cannot charge your guests a fee. You also cannot tell them the fee is non refundable if they don't show up. You are paying for the wedding, not them.

    -Stress that you need people to be sure they are attending when marking the yes and that if they respond yes they will be counted as such.

    -You are coming off as condescending and making yourself sound as though you don't believe you are dealing with adults. Rewording your statement to show that your top priority is your guests and they happiness would go a lot father.

    -Maybe include something like, "We want to give everyone the best experiance possible so we need a very accurate guest count so that we can create the best opportunities for you while you are here."Tell them that you are researching tickets to shows and or other entertainment and you need to know how many people want to be involved.

    Sorry to be so brutal but the above posted would seriously offend me as your guest.

     
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    Mrs. Maple Syrup    August 2, 2010  

    That sounds incredibly tacky and offensive.  

     
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    bells    June 26, 2011  

    @barbie86:  There are always people who RSVP yes and then dont show up. Just so you know.

     
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    louisianablue    April 7, 2012   New York

    Lots of people plan destination weddings without requiring a deposit from their guests.  If you send out that letter, you are guaranteed to have a small wedding.

     
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    Wonderstruck    September 18, 2011   Detroit, MI

    Started to write something but saw your update saying you'll leave this off the website. I'm glad, my mouth was just kind of hanging open in awe at the first post, glad you're listening to everyone's opinion!

     
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    September29    September 29, 2012   Wilmington, DE

    no!!! sorry! i understand that you need a final head count, but i'd do it on a one-on-one basis with people to see if they're actually coming. you can explain to them the seriousness of the situation in person or over the phone.

    you can't ask people for money, even if you plan on returning it.

     
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    tiki429    August 9, 2008  

    @TinyTina: Agreed

     
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    Bellagiobride    September 1, 2012   Chicago

    Please, no one needs to apologize for being harsh. I am not offended at all. I brought it here for a reason. I don't want to offend my guests. I showed my other friends and FI, and everyone though it was a great idea! I wasn't sure so sure, which is I am here. I have gotten some good ideas and constructive criticism, and I am very appreciative.

     
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    iswimibikeirun    May 15, 2010   Houston

    Another way you can try to "confirm" your guest's intentions is to ask them to send you their travel information (ie, hotel, day of arrival, airline) by a certain day.  That way, you can see how serious they are without coming right out and asking.  You can tell them that the information will help coordinate rides etch for the guests.

     
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    Bellagiobride    September 1, 2012   Chicago

    I like the idea of one-on-one very much! I can employ that. The itinerary confirmation is also really good.

     
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    barbie86    August 2, 2014   London, UK

    @bells:

    We are having under 50 guests. All are extremely close friends or immediate family. The ONLY way we will get no-shows is if people are sick; none of our guests would RSVP yes and not show. So I disagree. If you are inviting 100 plus and aren't close to all of them, that's different; we are inviting extra guests to the evening reception and I do expect a few no shows there. But no way would our day guests do that; and TBH I wouldn't invite people who might just decide not to show up

     
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    Soladylike       Tennessee

    @Bellagiobride: No, you can not send that letter. However, I would look on kayak and look for cheap plane tickets and send emails to my guest when I find good deals. Once people begin to book their flights I would keep track that way. If a person has not booked their flight 25-30 days before the wedding, they are not going to show. I would keep tabs that way. Its just a suggestion to help keep you in the loop.

     
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    I am agreeing with the many PPs here, I would be very offended if I had to give a depost to attend your wedding.  

     
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    7mom    August 4, 2015   MD

    People should not be inviting themselves to your wedding; stick to your guest list. 

     
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    MsBrooklynA       Midwest

    @iswimibikeirun: This is a really great idea! The OP could let them know she wants to make sure they have appropriate transportation from the airport and that their rooms are prepared to their liking. Or if she's making welcome bags she could say she wants to make sure they are there previous to the guests arrival.

     
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    Bellagiobride    September 1, 2012   Chicago

    @stillme:

     

    A fortune because we are paying for one night of hotel accommodations for our guests. We are not sure how we are going to present it. We toyed around with just handling it thought the hotel directly, visa gift cards...clearly we need something that we won't lose if they don't show. Never-the-less we are budgeting for this. We are also paying for gift baskets, and a cabana at the rooftop of the Cosmopolitan hotel, invitations that are going to be around 9 dollars a piece, and a few other incidentals... My parents are paying for the lion's share of it.Many things that will require beforehand purchasing, or down payments.

     

    I honestly don't think people won't show maliciously, I just feel that people say that they will come in order to make you happy. I feel as if my friends and family are good people, I just know many of them are flaky. My anxiety level is through the roof, and I was just looking for a way to have something under control. Clearly that was the wrong way to go about it. However, it is a work in progress, and I am not too proud to admit that I am wrong, and go right back to the drawing board.

     
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    MissMaryMc    September 22, 2012   Washington, District of Columbia

    Seeing as the biggest cost will probably be the hotel rooms, as the hotel what their cancellation policy is.

    Publish that on your wedding website and ask people to please inform you XX hours/days in advance if they RSVP yes but are unable to attend.

     

     
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    Juliepants    June 2, 2012   Ontario

    @iswimibikeirun: Ooh, that's a good idea!

    @Bellagiobride: Thanks for being so accepting of everyone's opinions, even if they're negative!  So many people ask for criticism but then get offended when they get it.  It's refreshing to see someone not spaz out when they hear that other people don't like an idea! :)

     
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    ticatica    July 2012   UK

    @MissMaryMc:

    excellent idea.

     

     
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    oracle    October 23, 2010   Los Angeles

    Good call on deciding not to send it!

    As for anxiety about RSVP's - here's the thing - there WILL be people who RSVP yes and can't show up.  Things happen.  People get sick, plans change, and a bunch of other understandable and insane reasons.

    I realize it's going to cost you money for no-shows - but I would save the stress and just build it into your budget.  There are many threads like the one below where married bees talk about their numbers.  Obviously, this would vary for a DW... but, I hope it helps, just the same!

    http://boards.weddingbee.com/topic/married-bees-how-many-no-shows

     
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    mole    January 1, 1991  

    I'm surprised that the Wynn needs your head count over 2 months in advance! That's some serious advanced planning. Where specifically in the Wynn is your reception?

    I'm also a Wynn bride, but we are having our reception in a private room in a restaurant at the Venetian.

     
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