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wow we have healthcare for all americans?!
edit: i was kind of excited and so my last post was not in english!
really?! i haven't been watching it.. what does this mean?
Not for all, but for 30 million more than we had before, which in my mind is a wonderful thing. Plus heath care companies will now be held to an ethical standard of basic human decency ;)
I don't think any of us know yet what it means. I think it can give us hope that there will be positive changes in the way healthcare will be run and more people will be able to receive the care they need.
shoot! this post totally threw me off lol i was like "what?! what did i miss??" i forgot i had tvoed it so i'm just not to that point yet haha
about time greenleaf!!
i havent read through the whole bill yet crebre but i plan to tonight
can anyone send me a link, this is very exciting news to me!
omg! im in tears right now... this means so much to me. when my daughter got sick and spend 11 months in the hospital we didnt have health insurance and we sold everything, the house, the car, everything, we only keep the clothes. it was awful. maybe this will change everything for people who need it. wow!! i cant even explain the feeling im having right now
that is exciting news...im glad that some people are happy...im in south carolina and i got yelled at quite a few times for wanting it to pass!
yup::
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN2116074820100322?type=marketsNews
i found this:
Health-care reform is focused on another group: the working class. People with jobs, but not jobs that are good enough to offer them health-care benefits. People with paychecks, but who aren't making quite enough money to bear the cost of insurance. People who're buying insurance on their own, which means they don't get the good deals that big employers get, and they don't get a giant tax break to help them out.
Here's a link to some info on what exactly is in the final draft of the bill, for those who are interested:
Well I guess that sort of covers everyone who doesn't have insurance because they are probably working somewhere and can't afford it (even people at Walmart or something).
the first thing I thought of when I saw the title of this post was that you accidentally ate your engagement ring when your FI hid it in some food or something.
i'm super excited about this as well! right now FI and I are looking around for health insurances and we both have pre-existing conditions and are getting rejected left and right :( looks like we have no choice but to pay a million dollars. wish other people could understand what that feels like...
As they say if you have nothing good to say dont say it at all.. Sorry to stand apart from the crowd but Im not too happy about this.
I am excited... I wish the vote was earlier, tomorrow is going to be a long/sleepy day.
Woo socialism.I think the intent was probably in the right place, however, this was NOT the way to bring about change.It will only bring more problems, if they really wanted to solve the issue at hand, they should have made the insurace companies themselves change.I'm very disappointed tonight.
agree about insurance company reforms, however i definitely think it's a step in the right direction. i think it is utterly ridiculous that i was paying about 750 per month for health insurance for myself and my son. i honestly wanted to move to Canada or Europe to offset the cost. Shrugging shoulders, we have affordable health care now, but I will never forget those sickening days of paying more for health insurance than I was my rent.
i cant understand how people dont see this as a good thing. so many other countries have universal health care and they havent come to destruction. this is not the end of USA and the time will tell how much is going to help USA
@Magenta..
This is just two paragraphs from the link posted above:
What if you don't buy health insurance? Under the House-passed bill, if you failed to meet the "individual mandate," you were assessed a fine equal to 2.5 percent of your income. The Senate lowered that to 2 percent of your income or $750 (whichever is higher). The reconciliation bill maintains the Senate configuration but bumps 2 percent up to the House's 2.5 percent and lowers the $750 fine to $695. I'm a little unclear on which approach is the best one, but as Timothy S. Jost, a law professor at Washington and Lee who supports the bill, has pointed out, if you don't pay the fine, the IRS can't really collect it except perhaps through petty harrassment.
What about those price controls Obama promised on health insurance premiums? These were in neither the House-passed nor the Senate-passed bill. They aren't in the reconciliation bill, either, apparently because the Senate parliamentarian said they were at odds with reconciliation rules. No great loss; as I wrote on Feb. 22, it was never really clear this proposal was meant to be more than a decoy, and it would have been very difficult to administer.
Do you realize that our tax money will now be going to pay for others insurance? There is NO SUCH THING AS FREE.. someone else is paying for it.
@Magenta: I agree with you. Sometimes the people who are against raising taxes seem to be cutting off their nose to spite their face. We pay for things either way, just not always under the label of 'taxes'.
okay, I don't get what just happened, I know that's prob a dumb question, but can someone explain it to me... ?
Also, this new bill brings about midlevel providers, which means young unqualified persons will be providing you with medical care.I'm sorry but as a person in the medical field there IS a reason we go to school longer, it's so we are adequately prepared.This is truly scary.
I don't think it's a good enough bill. However, we need to start somewhere..
It's a terrible thing when a person has to lose everything they have b/c the current insurance companies have set the prices for doctor services and goods (prescripts & implants). That was a failure of the free market system so no one blame this on socialism.
I don't really understand it either Liza. The only parts I do understand, I don't like.
@theren i pay taxes, i work and i cant afford health insurance now. so, yeap tax payer including me will be paying my health insurance.
i just said i dont understand how there is people that dont like the bill, but i do respect your view and opinion.
put it this way, when USA tried to become independent a lot of people though it was wrong and awful and look at the result.
@Lizabeth Lou: the House passed the health care bill. There is a live blog here that has some info.
@Lizabeth Lou & noritake - I don't understand all of it either, but here's a link I found that simplifies a lot of it and explains some pros and cons.
Well, I'm happy about certain aspects of this legislation, but it's not what I would have hoped for in its entirety. For one, we are VERY relieved that we will not be kicked off our parents' health insurance until age 26 now, because we were going to need to say bye-bye to coverage on our 22nd birthdays this summer, or else we would have to go on our school's plan (which provided catastrophic-only coverage, and wouldn't cover routine check-ups, therapy appointments for my crazy ass, and my FI's NECESSARY CAT scans), and doesn't allow insurance companies to discriminate against preexistent conditions (necessary because FI has had cancer and we were hella worried about him being able to get insurance at all). So win there. But again, not altogether what I've hoped for, and I don't really feel like rehashing my complaints because I just had an hour-long convo with some friends about this!
@magenta- Do you realize that like tooth said unqualified people will be providing you with healthcare.. Do you also realize that no matter the cost.. if you do not purchase the insurance from your job that you will be fined 2% of your income because of that?
For all of you poli-sci types...
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3200/text
@veganglam and imagine how the people will be tomorrow. but is true what you said, i is not perfect.
Also as a future small business owner, which Obama says he is for, he is actually crippling them by approving this bill?Most small businesses also can't afford to offer health insurance to their employees, and now that they are mandated to do so, they will have an even HARDER time being successful.Again, it is the insurance companies that should be reforming.
for those who are saying they dont understand the bill, please take the time to look up some info, watch some tv whatever to familiarize yourselves with this. it will be all of our futures soon and whether you think it is for better or worse, it is the best to be well informed.
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