Post # 1
Okay, so I apologize if this offends anybody on this site, and I do understand it may be offensive to some. I am only writing this our of curiosity.
I read on here, and also hear of people not being able to find work. I understand being out of work for a little while, like a month, two months tops. I just don’t understand how people can sit on unemployment insurance for 6 months, claiming they cannot find a job. Okay I understand, times are tough, but I feel like if you are willing to work, there is a job out there for you. People should be spending as much time looking for a job in a day, as they would working a full time job.
So my question is for the bees who have experienced this first hand or through a SO, are times really that tough, or do you think sometimes lack of motivation, and fear of failure is a reason why people can go unemployed for such a long period of time?
Post # 3
Well, I think a lot of it comes from the type of work people feel willing to do. I think for many, yes you can find a minimum wage job at a retail establishment, but there’s quite a few reasons that could be really unappealing.
I know from my personal experience, the job I currenty have is my third after graduating about a year ago…I say that because though I was lucky to get two jobs after graduation (the second allowing me to leave the first), by the time I left my second, I was focused on finding a job I really wanted to do, not just any job. (I was lucky that that happened within a compartively short period of time). Though, I know when I was in that position, I wasn’t planning on settling for any job, as the first two times I did that, it didn’t feel good.
And as far as making looking for work your full time job–I think this is an easier idea in theory than in practice. I think I was able to get a job because I did dedicate a good amount of time to looking. Though there were plently of days when that was such an overwhelming task, and I really had to force myself to be dilligent and do it (even tougher after interviewing and being rejected multiple times, or not hearing back at all). I don’t think everyone has that same ability to really push beyond the discomfort, and I think that can bring about chalenges as well.
And there’s also location. I’m lucky to be in an area with lots of everything, though I can only imagine…living in a small or more rural area, jobs aren’t so plentiful. My fiance is from a small town in Maine, and I know that quite often, many of his friends are unemployed–education does play a role in that, though I think a bigger part is lack of job availiability.
So, that’s just some of my thoughts on the matter.
Post # 4
Ummmmm, i am sure you might have a point but i’m not sure it really belongs in this forum?
Post # 5
I think times really are that tough unless you’re looking for a crappy minimum-wage job. Like mine! Every time I step foot into that place now I crave a nice hollowpoint..
I’ve applied and applied to other places and.. nothing. I’m glad I’m moving in a few months because I don’t know what I would do if I had to have this job for an indefinite period of time. But point is, I’ve worked hard to get a different job and I haven’t gotten anything. I can’t imagine how hard it would be to work this hard to get a job and not have ANY income!
Post # 6
This country has not seen an economic crisis this bad since the great depression. It is alot harder than you think! I’m sorry but your post is offensive.
I am an interior designer in the hotel design industry. I have a bachelor of fine arts from an expensive art school. I had 5 years of experience working for the biggest, award winning design firms in the world. All of our projects went on hold. No work.. nothing. My entire project team was laid off.
I was unemployed for over a year. I took jobs wherever I could and had a few consulting jobs that were a few months each but officially I was out of consisent work for a whole year. It took that long to find a company willing to give me consistent work and benefits again. I’m not some lazy person. I am highly educated and skilled in my field. Nearly every one I know in the industry was either laid off or had their hours and benefits severely cut.
I tried to get other jobs but I have a very specific education and experience. I was never hired for those other jobs. I couldn’t even get a retail job and I have lots of retail experience from college!
Another important thing to point out is when you get laid off – you are stuck with whatever lifestyle you were living before losing your job. The rent/ mortgage, the car payment, the school tuition.. all of that! You can cut back on other things like cable, shopping, going out etc.. but the main bills are the same. You can’t just sell your house or get a new apartment with no job! I was lucky that I had been living below my means before I got laid off. If I had a car payment, I’d be screwed.
So please – educate yourself a little on the subject and stop judging people for not being able to find work. It’s not that easy.
Post # 7
Sometimes the unemployment payments are more than what you would make in a minimum wage job. Some people are trying to hold out to get something in their field so that they aren’t being detrimental to their work history. And in some locations in the country, there really aren’t jobs (read: Detroit, rural parts of the south etc). It doesn’t take a PhD to make the leaps i’ve made here.
Post # 8
I do live in a small down, 1 1/2 hours from a big town where the “real” jobs are. I have been looking for a job since I was let go from mine on March 1. Unemployment was JUST approved a week ago finally.
I can not make a 1 1/2 hour drive each way for work, so I will be returning to school to learn something other than travel, and hopefully be able to get a “real” job.
Post # 9
@Cash000: My FI feels the same way.. He was unemployed for 2.5 months when we 1st moved 2 years ago for me to go to grad school 10 hours away, but we were also in a super small town where there weren’t many options unless you wanted to commute an hour north or south to the 2 closest major cities. His car has over 200k miles on it, so commuting wasn’t really an option. He applied to everywhere in town he could, and just kept getting rejection letters back from the university for jobs they had posted, despite being qualified for them. He finally got a job working in the pharmacy at CVS, which was a crappy hourly wage, but it paid the bills with him being full time & it got us through those 2 years.
Working in the pharmacy, he encountered many people on Medicaid etc who were unemployed but were perfectly physically able to work a job. They would get really mad at HIM when their copay went from free to $2, despite it being their insurance & not CVS that made it go up. Most of the people never showed any sort of respect for anyone who worked there, all they did was complain.
My FI has VERY strong feelings about this, & feels like there ARE jobs out there.. sure they may not pay well, you may be overqualified (ie bagging groceries, working at a burger place), but they’re still a paying job. He’d work at McDonalds flipping burgers if he had to, even with a college degree, if he was unemployed & we couldn’t survive off 1 income & he didn’t have any other options besides take unemployment. I don’t think he’d ever take unemployment money because he’s too proud & has seen too many people take advantage of the system. I have a few other friends in healthcare who feel very strongly about this, too.
Post # 10
I haven’t had a job since the end of March/beginning of April when I left Australia. I probably wont have a job until August when the school year starts (I’m a teacher). I am in a weird transition period right now where I’m moving to the city/getting married/going on a honeymoon in a month so I would have to basically take off from any job from June 15-July 4th which would never fly with a new job. When July 4th comes around, I might as well wait it out until August when school starts because, who would hire me for 1.5 months? I, however, am on no type of unemployment. Kingy makes enough money for us to live comfortably on one income and we just don’t live to excess (mostly because we’re buying a house and planning a wedding). I tutor a second grade girl for $50 a week, so that’s how I get my spending money for things Kingy doesn’t like to buy me (nice make up, going to see movies with my friends, etc.) I apply for a few to several teaching jobs a day so that when the time comes, I’ll (hopefully) have one.
So anyways, thats my story.
ETA: People who haven’t had a hard time finding work, don’t realize how incredibly frustrating and depressing it can be to keep applying. Sometimes, I have to take time away from applying for jobs because I just want to cry. I’ve filled out over 100 applications and gotten 3 interviews, had a lot of people screw me around, ignore me completely, and waste my time. I will spend an hour or so on an application, call, e-mail, show up, basically stalk the person, only for them to tell me that they have enough people interviewing, when I ask for feedback ‘everything was good, but we are already interviewing enough people’.. its a really slap in the face, so I take a day off and start again the next day. Its damn near impossible to make applying for jobs a full time job for over a month and not have it depress you. I didn’t understand that until I was in that position.
Post # 11
I have a degree in chemistry. I was unemployed in 2006 for a while. I tried my hardest to get any job – they wouldn’t hire me. Target said I was too smart and would get bored quickly (probably true). I tried getting a job as a clerk at several hotels and none of them would take me either. I have no experience in retail or typical customer service jobs. I also live in a college town with a bajillion 20-somethings in school who do have experience in retail. Those were the people getting jobs, not me.
Please don’t judge. Everyone’s situation is different.
Post # 12
@JoJo Bananas: I went to college in Santa Cruz, so I definitely understand the struggles of finding work there. I can only imagine how much it’s changed in the time I’ve been there (graduated in 2006), and it was a LOT of competition to get any work there, even though I had a retail/office background. In fact, the first non school job I got there was at a chain ice cream shop, and that was only because I applied when they were opened. And I got fired from there.
But, yeah even in a city like Santa Cruz, which is no small town, there is a lot of competition, and a lot of people who do have the background in minimum wage work, which can make it harder for people with more education/no background to get those jobs.
Post # 13
I’ve been unemployed since January, when I left school. I realize that it was not your intention to offend, but I’m slightly offended. It’s been almost 6 months and I am still jobless. This is not by choice. I have applied to literally over 50 jobs and even moved to a different town in hopes of finding a job. I’ve had interviews everywhere but no job. I’m not on unemployment insurance though. My first town had over 50,000 students, getting an entry-level job anywhere was impossible.
I’m not picky either. I applied and had an interview at Mcdonalds. They didn’t give me a job because they wanted someone who could commit to full-time for at least a year, and I’m going back to school in September so I couldn’t give them that commitment. Let me reiterate that. MCDONALDS WOULDN’T HIRE ME.
So yeah. Don’t judge. You don’t know everyone’s situation.
Post # 14
I got laid off when the company I worked for closed last Oct. I’ve noticed jobs in my field are starting at significantly less then when I was looking for work years ago. With the high cost of daycare and gas it makes more sense for me to stay home with my daughter. I never even looked for a job after being laid off. I do watch a friend’s child Mon-Fri in my home for extra money. FI makes decent money and I enjoy staying home with my daughter so this was the best choice for us. I’m sure I will go back part-time when she starts preschool unless we have another child.
Post # 15
I work for the ministry of defence, and due to all the cuts to the RAF…..(thank you David Brown) , i find out on Wednesday just how safe my job is. if i get made redundant, then what chance do i have of being re-employed at the age of 50? its hard enough for the younger people, but employers can afford to pick and choose now, and with an average of 100 people applying for each job nowadays…….the chances are pretty low of them wanting me. i can only hope that wednesday brings good news for me, but i know for a fact that 96 people from my workplace will be leaving.
Post # 16
@Gingersnap: Yeah, we’re basically in the same situation.
I have applied to TONS of jobs – I even let go of my pride and applied to BABYSIT with my Bachelor’s Degree, I’ve applied to Lowe’s, Ross, all kinds of things that I could have had in high school. Guess what. I’m overqualified so they didn’t even consider me. Which isn’t my fault.
It makes me a bit angry because no, I wouldn’t be “satisfied” by the job but I would do it and am not even given the chance because I’m overqualified. I had a better job IN HIGH SCHOOL and am honestly feeling a bit bitter about spending all the time and money on a degree to be jobless. It’s really not cool. To be honest, this post is just kind of… I don’t know. Rude?
ETA: I don’t think lack of motivation is something that can be applied to a lot of people that are unemployed. It really IS that bad. Of course there are some people that take advantage of the system and ya da ya da – but people do that in all kinds of aspects. Food stamps? It doesn’t reflect on everyone as a whole.