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Just found out MIL hates me, HELP!

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    Brianalaura    August 14, 2010   Ontario, Canada

    A few days ago my husband got an e-mail from his mother.  It was a huge long rant, and much of it was cruel accusations towards me.  I always had the impression she was not fond of me, but my husband insisted that was just her personality.  I am a big people pleaser, and have always tried really hard with his family.  I always offer to help out, am as pleasant and polite as possible, and try hard to fit in.  Her and her sister (they are inseparable) are the only ones that seem to have issues with me.

    The e-mail accused me of being rude during my (FEBRUARY!) bridal shower, thrown by my aunt.  She complained about having to attend prior to coming, and insisted her sisters and their kids be invited.  They attended, and all sat together in the corner of the room away from other guests.  They complained that I did not introduce them to people (though I would have had to parade people by their seats as they did not mingle) and that I 'threw' their present aside in favour of my mother's.  I hate opening presents in front of people and painstakingly made sure I read each card, and thanked each person individually, remarking on how much I liked their present and why we had wanted it.  I know I did this with theirs.  They then rudely complained to my aunt that she needed to serve the cake because the shower was too long and they wanted to leave.

    She complained bitterly about our wedding.  She said she felt like a 'stranger' and the rest of her family did too.  She said my side was all 'obscure people'.  Their side actually outnumbered my side.  I think this is because she tried to make my husband invite random guests that he did not want there.  She complained that we didn't allow her and her sisters to be involved in the wedding.  She only told us her sister wanted to be involved 2 weeks before the wedding, and we DID give her a task (which she didn't do properly anyway).  She never called/e-mailed/talked to me about the wedding, and when she told my husband she wanted to be involved and we asked her to hire the bartenders, she didn't do it and I had to scramble and get some friends to do it a couple weeks before the wedding.  She also was angry we did not come early to help her cook thanksgiving for her husband's family, despite the fact we had 3 thanksgivings to attend, AND I volunteered to help several times when we arrived, but she would not let me.

    There were many parts attacking my husband, accusing him of not loving family members for various reasons (his grandfather is old and going to die soon, his sister is only a 'half' sister, he is jealous of others etc).  She accused me of not respecting her AND her family, of not 'allowing' him to spend time with his family, and not loving him (!).  I'm not sure where she is getting this all from.  We don't see them often and she has never called our house.  To be honest she doesn't really know me very well.  I have no problems with their family (other than this!) and have never told him he can't spend time with them, nor that he can't talk to them.  In fact, I have encouraged him to be in contact with them, but they actually make little to no effort to contact him either.

    I am not going to get involved in this argument, but I don't know what to do next time I see her.  When I had suspected she didn't like me, I was already sick and nervous every time we had to see her.  How can I see her knowing she hates me and thinks all sorts of horrible things about me?  Do I say anything to her or just pretend it didn't happen?

     
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    divergirl    October 8, 2011  

    Wow! Just wow! I'm so sorry she's doing that to you. I mean you could call and make her tell you all these things. I would probably have a list ready, and all the things you have tried to do. I would approach it as "I'm sorry you feel this way, but I want you to know that htis is absolutely not true. I do care about you and your family." Tell her, I have done x,y,and z. What would show you that I care? Maybe sending her a letter might be better?

    Sorry you're going through this.

     
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    klb2748    October 15, 2011   Illinois

    Kill her with kindness!!  You have already done a great job of it thus far.  It works everytime. Continue to act like you do... maybe after the next time you see her...call her afterwards and ask for the recipe she used in whatever she made. 

     
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    Miss Peach Tree    August 20, 2011   New York

    I say don't make it a bigger issue than it is. The woman is clearly (clearly) unreasonable, so you aren't going to win this by reasoning with her. Be polite when you see her and their family, be friendly and have nice manners, and leave as soon as you politely can.

    You aren't going to win this with words, she is clearly alienating her son as well, and you aren't the person to change/control/improve their relationship.

    Be the lovely person you are, and always remember to bring a good bottle of wine or a good cocktail to family events. It will make it all a bit more pleasant for you.

    Good luck, and try not to take it personally. She is crazy, you are fabulous.

     
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    kitzy    June 2011  

    kill her with kindness! there's no use in bringing any of this up -- any confrontation by you will just make things much worse. she is clearly crazy, so try not to take it personally.

     
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    klb2748    October 15, 2011   Illinois

    Also - i think avoiding the conversation completely might be easier.  She seems a tad delusional.

     
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    tootietoo2    January 2011  

    I would just go on about my business and not let it bother me one bit. If you know that you have made an effort and are not deserving of this treatment and these accusations, then just rest easy in that knowledge. You cannot control what others think of you, period. You can treat them nicely and be respectful and helpful, but if they choose to ignore that and attribute negative  feelings to you, then that is their choice.

    I would just continue to be myself and I would be cordial to her, but not go out of my way to please her. Either she'll come around or she won't , but you need to be focused on your marriage and not let her ridiculous rant affect you.

     

    Best of luck to you!

     
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    yellowhammerlady    September 15, 2009   Alabama

    I am so sorry you're going through this.

    Pretend it didn't happen. Make pleasant small talk, then find somethng else to do--busy yourself in the kitchen, talk to someone else, anything. Or find an excuse to leave early--you feel sick, you left the stove on, etc.

    You're in a no win situation, so make it as easy on yourself as possible. If she complains, then you say something to her.

     

     
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    mcnetn3    August 13, 2011   North Carolina

    I agree about killing with kindness.  Don't lie about anything or inconvenience yourself for her, but definitely keep doing what you are doing and asking for recipes and cooking for my Future In-Laws has gotten me in so good with them I'm already in the family pictures (and they were taken before we got engaged).

     
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    Brianalaura    August 14, 2010   Ontario, Canada

    Thanks guys.  I honestly feel so lost about this whole thing.  She has always been sort of a strange person but usually fairly cordial, however she talks about a lot of family behind their backs and gets in fights with various family members.  I guess it was only a matter of time before our turn!  I'm gonna try my best to keep doing what I'm doing (and continue bringing bottles of wine, Miss Peach Tree :-D ).  I am already stressed about the next time I have to see her.  I wish you guys could actually see the e-mail, I read it to a friend and she was speechless.  *sigh*

     
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    Brianalaura    August 14, 2010   Ontario, Canada

    Man, I wish I could do the recipes, but she doesn't really cook!  Darn it!

     
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    KaitlinHudson    December 18, 2010   Patuxent River, MD

    I would mention to her that I saw her e-mail and felt hurt that she didn't come to me with her problems. That puts you as the bigger person.

     
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    moderndaisy    June 2010  

    Well it doesn't sound like she is the most rational person to work something like this out fairly. So I wouldn't try to tell her she's wrong. I'd honestly kill her with kindness. Don't admit to doing anything wrong, but say you're sorry if she felt left out during the wedding planning process, or if she feels like you don't care about her. Ask her to meet up more often, maybe come over for dinner so you can get to know each other better.

    Because honestly as rude as it was for her to demand guests be invited to your shower then sit in the corner and be anti-social, it was still your obligation to socialize with them. So you can take SOME of the blame. And a good way to meet in the middle now is to reach out and try to establish a relationship with her. You don't have to become best friends, but make an effort to spend time together more often and be involved in her life.

     
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    NotYourTypicalBride    December 3, 2010   South Florida/Semi-destination wedding in Key Largo

    It certainly doesn't seem that this is about you, so don't let it get to you. She clearly has issues.

    I agree completely with the "kill her with kindness" approach. If nothing else, it will make it obvious to everyone around her that she is the unreasonable one, and you can stand tall knowing you are the bigger person.

    It takes time and patience, but I have found that being consistent in that approach will eventually "break" even the most bitter person. They just can't bring themselves to continue being mean in the face of constant kindness and generosity (well, unless they're completely delusional/paranoid/mentally ill, anyway).

    Good luck, and hopefully your FH stands behind you 100%!

     
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    pb and j    September 2011   live in NY, wedding in Baltimore

    i agree, i would avoid mentioning the email and just kill her with kindness. and be thankful you don't see her too often! what does your husband think about the email? how does he feel about his mom?

     
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    Ashums    March 12, 2011  

    It never ceases to amaze me how innappropriate and highschool some adults act. I can't believe a grown woman, is writing about how much she dislikes someone. Instead of going to the source and working out the issue, she takes a route like this. Unbelievable. I like divergirls suggestion maybe write her a letter and explain how these things were so hurtful to you. I would let her know that you love your husband and his family and you would like to be a part of it. Maybe even take her to lunch or a shopping trip, something that you two can bond over and fix this b!itch fit she's throwing right now.

     
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    CaraMia10    October 10, 2010   Loma Linda, CA

    @Brianalaura: I'm sorry you're dealing w/ a MONSTER-IL. I have one too.

    I can tell you right now, nothing is ever going to change. I hate to say that, but after 7 years I'm finally coming to that realization myself. I, like you, have tried SO hard w/ his mother (again, like you, the only person who I've always had a problem with) and she still despises me.

    My MIL also pulled shit a our wedding as well, and we have yet to speak to her since. She, and also your MIL, are the type of people who ALWAYS feel the are justified and in the right. They can do no wrong, but everyone else is always wronging them.

    If you feel the need to go around her, act like you know nothing. Ultimately, your husband is the one who is going to have to deal w/ his mother. There's nothing you can do. He needs to be the one to step up to her and tell her to cut the crap. He will have to be the one to give her an ultimatum and to follow through.

    I would never keep my husband from his family but damned if I'm going to let her treat me like crap anymore. My husband understands and agrees, and it may not always be like this, but I need time. And you may need the same.

     
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    Brianalaura    August 14, 2010   Ontario, Canada

    @moderndaisy - I did socialize with them at the shower, but there were a lot of people there and I guess they felt I should have spent more time with them and less time with other people (I think they were more angry that they weren't 'introduced' to everyone rather than that I 'ignored' them).  She sort of mentioned this in passing to my husband after the shower, and I did feel terrible.  I didn't want them to feel ignored and I certainly was not trying to make them feel this way.  I think it might have been a bit of a different-family issue also, as my family is the type that mingles and introduces themselves around, and I guess his family is not like this?  They aren't introverts but maybe they are strict on introduction etiquette or something, I'm not sure.

    @pb&j - he is angry and upset about the e-mail.  There have been a lot of issues in the past where she has treated him badly and he has not said anything because he didn't want to get into conflict with her.  He asked me not to tell my family about the e-mail because he is extremely embarrassed (I won't and I haven't told them).  The e-mail he sent back covered a lot of the issues she had and other issues he has wanted to bring up in the past but didn't.  Her reply was that she could 'defend' all of those issues.  He apologized that she felt this way and said he respected her feelings, but she did not reciprocate this in her 2nd e-mail.

     
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    Brianalaura    August 14, 2010   Ontario, Canada

    @CaraMia10: Ahhhhh you are my horrible MIL BFF!  Hahaha.  My husband is definitely on side with me and is dealing with her himself, I'm just feeling worried about the next time I have to see her!  I'm sorry you have had these issues too.  Blech.

     
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    dreamingofbling       Australia

    OMFG this has just happened to me but swap the wedding/ marriage details with baby. MIL are a difficult subject. My FMIL sat down and tried to talk it out, it just tured into her screaming at me that Im the reason why SO isnt there for her like her other kids. He's not there because you treat me like crap and he doesnt like that. Ughhhhhh, I could go on and on and on but I wont. From my experience your in a lose lose situation, sorry. Hopefully I am wrong but I just dont think MIL change no matter what you do.

     
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    CaraMia10    October 10, 2010   Loma Linda, CA

    @Brianalaura: LOL! You can always PM me when you feel the need to rant, I understand!

    I'm so glad your husband is on board because that would break you guys so fast if he wasn't. It sounds like you are a much bigger person than I am, lol. I just refuse to go around her anymore. Which is going to be very difficult as her and my husband's birthdays and the holiday's are coming up. I secretly think she LOVES when I'm not there for those sort of things. The other posters have said to kill her w/ kindness and I agree.

     
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    Brianalaura    August 14, 2010   Ontario, Canada

    I just wanted to let you all know I've read all of your posts and I really appreciate your feedback.  I'm going to try to further discuss this with my husband, but I think I'm leaning towards the 'killing her with kindness' approach and try to pretend like it never happened.  I sort of want to address it as I'm curious if she would improve with an apology, but it will be hard to apologize when I feel like I did little to nothing wrong.  Why are some people so angry and love fighting with their family?!

     
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    MrsBtobe    July 17, 2010   Canada

    Honestly - I would let your husband deal with her.

    I also wouldn't go out of my way to be extra nice to her. 

    If she behaves this way and you react to her by being EXTRA nice and attentive to her then it just trains her to think that each time she explodes via Email to your DH that you'll become nicer and more attentive.

    I know women like your MIL. Heck, MY MIL can be like that at times....and I think the best thing is to not react at all. I also wouldn't try harder to be nice to her. Unfortunately there are people in this world that LOVE being negative and drama...and they love it even MORE when someone reacts the way they want to.

     
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    Birdie Love    May 7, 2011   CA

    I'm so sorry! This sounds like issues she has had looooong before you were in the picture! What on earth did she mean by "obscure people"?!? Good grief....

    Like others said, maybe the kill-her-with-kindness route may be helpful for a bit. However, don't expect her to be receptive to that because she sounds like an unhappy person overall!

     
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    Treasure43    September 18, 2010  

    Having had experience with my own mother acting this way towards me, I can say that the easiest thing to do is just continue to be nice to her an ignore her behavior. Her points aren't valid, so it's possible she's just upset to be "loosing" her son to another woman and is acting out.

     
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    NotYourTypicalBride    December 3, 2010   South Florida/Semi-destination wedding in Key Largo

    @Brianalaura: Oh, this is very important - do not apologize if you don't sincerely believe you have done anything wrong! That would only validate her invalid assessments of you, and condition her to create more drama to get more attention in the future.

    Killing her with kindness is a little different. I agree that it may not work with a truly disfunctional person, but the goal is to make her look so ridiculous in her criticism of you, that she just has to tone it down. Good luck. :)

     
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    You can always do the half-apology.  Like 'I'm sorry that you felt that way', you're not admiting guilt but you're also acknowleding her feelings.  You could also say something along the lines of thanks for letting me know, I'm still adjusting to having a new family.  And let her know that you by no means have any hard feelings towards his family, and perhaps he should make a time to call on Sundays, he's not always a phone person so waits until people call him but maybe a prearranged time would work better and blah blah blah. 

    I think her email was ridiculous and rude but there's no way to fix it by being ridiculous and rude back, but at the same time I wouldn't fawn over her either.

     
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    starry    December 18, 2010  

    I'm so sorry that your MIL has the same type of email attack tactic that my FMIL has. My FMIL used to send meddlesome emails, besides have meddlesome type of conversations with her son.

    THe worst email, was right after we got engaged and she accidentally found out(we hadn't agreed to mutually announce it to our families). We only read 5 sentences in random places out of the 5 paragraph essay. And fiance decided to hit the DELETE button and not even read it! I happened to be sitting next to him as he was recovering from a surgery and was actually staying under the same roof as her, yet she could only communicate with him through an email! 

    At this point my fiance realized it was time to finally stand up for me and set a boundary line. After I left he confronted her about it. He told her he didn't appreciate her email and that it was his life and his decision. She got really mad him of course. I avoided/felt uncomfortable being at her house for a little while after that. But the next time I saw her, she tried to make ammends I guess by giving me a gift...then telling me her *concerns*. 

    About 10 months before this she was extremely meddlesome and was trying her hardest to break us up. She even at one point forced me into her house and confronted me in a very intimidating/lecturing type of manner.  This caused me to literally feel sick and extremely uncomfortable every time I would enter her house after that. At one point my boyfriend and I even brokeup partially due to their meddlesome ways(like ultra scaring him about kids!). There were also points in which his mother and brother hardly acknowledged me and the mother would avoid me by staying her room, etc. (After we got back together)

    After all her meddlesome ways, I have never actually directly confronted my in-laws about their behaviors/incidences. I ignore it: pretend it doesn't happen. The tension has been reduced though. I still feel a little nervous whenever I go over there. But I have a love/hate relationship with her I guess. There are sometimes I like her a lot and get a great feeling around her. There are other times I feel quite upset/angry/hurt..feel.that she's real manipulative,controlling, and meddlesome, etc. I think one cause is our differing values. I am much more liberal in my views. She is more traditional, conservative, and religious, and on top of that I think she has a personality disorder or other mental disorder. They also used to think that I prevented their son from seeing them/talking to them, which is also not true at all. Now they realize that it was his own decisions not to. 

    You should get the the book Toxic InLaws(you can order it online). It really gets behind the psychology of it all and even has advice. I feel so much better now that I have that book! 

    As long as your fiance stands by you and sees that your mother in-law is out of line/obscured that's all that matters. We had to brainstorm with my fiance to change the subject or get him to repeat it's his decision/life whenever she would get meddlesome. The key is to drop the discussion/not let it be open for discussion.

    THe other thing is: my fiance never let me directly confront his parents. He said they would HATE me if I did that. So he is the one who confronts them, etc. He mostly ignores them...Like the emails. I pretty much ignore and pretend it doesn't happen. Of course they know he tells me things they say, though. Of course I have in-laws that mostly criticize me or tell my fiance what to do when I am not there/behind my back. There are times though when his mother says to me, And you want to marry this?!?! And I just ignore it. Don't really respond to her. 

    If my FMIL had sent my fiance an email ranting about a wedding like your MIL did, I would probably have him reply to the email in a short, but firm type of manner. Just a couple sentences, or even tell her on the phone , that he didn't appreciate her email. (That those are false accusations and he can't believe she is insulting his wedding. Then he should restate how much he loves you and stands by your decisions, etc. And leave it at that.  Or you guys could just ignore it and pretend it didn't happen, like others suggested. Just continue to be your sweet, nice self. 

    The important thing is for her to see that your husband will always support you and be by your side, united. I am sure you know this. 

     
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    erinkatie83    September 10, 2011   denver

    I'm on the KILL HER WITH KINDNESS bandwagon. It's really the only way. After all you said I believe your husband was right... it's not you it's her crazy personality. She's accusing him of things too.

    My fiance's mom is a crazy... literally. She lies a lot and to the point that she begins to believe her own lies as truth. It's just nuts! We don't see her often, but I make a point to try to keep in contact with her. My fiance wants almost nothing to do with her, because of her issues. He had a terrible childhood. Unfortunatley some of his 6 siblings are following in her footsteps too. It's sad. He loves her, but it's hard to be around her for very long. Thankfully we live in a different state and she never comes to visit us. Normally we meet on neautral ground at his grandparents house for major occasions weddings, baptisms, family parties ect... I just do my best to keep in contact with his family and I KILL THEM WITH KINDNESS. I'm a people pleaser too, so I know how this is easier said than done but... you should really take what she says with a grain of salt. Try to ignore it an move on. She's obviously a bitter woman, who has some underlying issue she seems to be taking out on you unfortunately.

    Best of luck!

     
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    Kateski    August 13, 2011   Vermont

    Sounds familiar..ahha. I go through this too. I know his family is not a big fan of me and I have tried sooo hard to earn their respect and acceptance. My fiance says all the time "it's just how they are" but they treat other woman my age so much nicer. I've come to accept it. I too am a people pleaser and want everyone to like me and if not, at least have a reason! hehe. This will always be an uphill battle. If you have been nice, respectful kind and have not given them a reason not to like you...it's just them. They may simply just be jealous of you. Alot of mothers are jealous of their Sons wife. This woman that "took" her son away is younger, prettier, is now the number one person in their sons life and they will try as hard as they can to point out any flaws you may have(even if they are made up!) My advice...ignore it. Continue to kill them with kindness!

     
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    coconutmellie    March 2010  

    Ok OK! Everyone here has given GREAT advice.

    My MIL is just like this. Except she doesn't have the balls to email me directly - she just talks about me to everyone she can. She's also emotionally constipated - it's either a SHITSTORM or nothing.

    But our situations are exactly the same, and yeah, the holidays coming up make me feel like somehow she's thrilled that we won't be spending them with her. But she will of course be pissed at the same time.

    There are some really important things I wanted to stress:

    1. Behaving like a psycho hose beast is how women like her CONTROL those around them. Their families are trained not to "upset" her and avoid conflict. They have learned long ago that she is not rational and reasoning will not work, so avoiding conflict is the only way.
    2. This means that killing with kindness WILL NOT WORK. What it does is reinforce to them that if they behave in their normal way, you will be wonderful. It IS the classy way to behave - I'm not telling you not to be classy. i'm just saying DO NOT expect results with this tactic alone.
    1. Because they are not reasonable, NO amount of carefully-written letters or emails will get through to them. They will be perceived as lies and slander. NEVER write her about these things, beceause this will ensure that they will be in her inbox FOREVER and she will re-hash the things you said and twist them around to her benefit. She's proven good at twisting things around. Trust me, I had to learn this the hardway when my MIL pulled out TEN YEAR OLD PRINTOUTS of an email I sent her.

    Just try your best to ignore her. I wish I had the solution for you- I don't. I'm still trying to deal with my crazy MIL on a daily basis. All I can do is WARN you of a few things. No emails, no letters, and no expectations that "guilt" will come upon her when she sees how nice you are. Deal with her like she's a dog at your heels: if she's nice, be nice, but if she starts nipping at you, immediately establish your boundaries FIRMLY!

     
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    Kateski    August 13, 2011   Vermont

    @coconutmellie: This just CRACKED me up! You have a game plan and I love it. As I mentioned..I am a people pleaser so I often feel that others have a heart somewhere deep down and may possible feel bad at some point. Maybe your Tactics will work better for me. Maybe she is thick headed, cynical mother in law that I try so hard to deny her of. haha. Maybe I'll stop playing "Miss Nice Future Daughter in Law" and start standing my ground WHEN the time comes.

     

    that post just made me smile:-)

     
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    coconutmellie    March 2010  

    @Kateski: Oh, Kate, you have no idea how much I feel your pain and sympathize. I am super people pleaser. Over the weekend, I had a nice conversation with my own mom and felt pity for my MIL. I emailed her the nicest email, full of compliments and questions about how she was doing. However, the reply I got was nowhere near worth it. It's sad because what we consider to be normal, kind, considerate behavior is considered by them to be deference and weakness!

    With my MIL, she has a heart but she is so clueless that she offends others all the time and just has NO idea. It is SO hard to understand crazy people, but I guess that's why they're crazy.

    Oh, I've cried my tears. All this week I've been bent out of shape by her email but I am trying so hard to focus on my marriage instead!

     
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    Kateski    August 13, 2011   Vermont

    @coconutmellie: I hear ya! I feel that alo of her comments and her husbands comments are done intentionally because they do treat other women my age different. They also are the type of people who will NEVER admit to being wrong...EVER. haha. I just threw in the towel and just act as though nothing they say or do phases me..but lik eyou said...that doesn't always work with people...I feel like sometimes...ya just can't win..ahah

     

    Brianalaura....all I can say is GOOD LUCK!

     
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    Pia2010    November 26, 2009  

    I think the best approach to take is to talk to her honestly about the situation.  I think it's poor form to simply ignore something that huge.  It's important to address the 'big elephant in the room' like an adult.   

    Start by saying that you were deeply shocked/hurt/upset by her email.  Inform her that it was never your intention to hurt her or leave her out (such as at the shower, wedding, etc). 

    Remind her then that at times you will both simply have a difference in opinion - such as how long a shower should be, but that in no circumstances were you intending on hurting her. 

    Remind her that you love her son and that it hurts you very much that she feels so negatively about you. 

    Finally, ask her what she would like to see happen between the two of you. I.e Never talk, try to make things work, etc etc.

    Put it to her like a strong adult.  It's ok if you become emotional, but important you be honest.

    Good luck hun. xo

     
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    ashleymendz    May 18, 2012  

    Ignoring things is easier said than done... how can I ignore my future MIL if every now and then I hear from a lot of people the nasty things she is telling them about me and MY family?

     

    She tells everybody she doesn't like me, has judged me from my past, from my family background and misinterprets everything I do or say. And worst, she heard gossips about me and believed them to be true without even asking me to confirm or deny or tell them the truth for that matter. Not only that, she makes sure every relative of theirs knows about all those negative things about me and twist words.

     

    My mom can sue her for slandering but thinks of me and my fiance. She sees how this man stands up for me and she knows how happy I am with him.

     

    I am a people pleaser too and I feel guilty all the time that my fiance and future MIL are not in good terms at present because of me and my family is also hurting because of me. I really feel depressed that I want to break up with him so his mom will stop bothering me and my family....

     

     

     

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