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I just wanted to let everyone know that, as per these two threads, I have asked for my account and all my posts to be removed.
http://boards.weddingbee.com/topic/question-for-pro-photographers-only-pro-photographers/page/2
AND
http://boards.weddingbee.com/topic/vendor-user-policies
I'm sorry to be leaving, but staying goes against everything my husband (a Marine and a patriot) stands for! Well wishes to all.
Good luck!
A Marine and Patriot understands rules and respect. I'm not sure exactly what you think violates these beliefs.
@mwitter80: The new TOS violates our consitutional rights to freedom of speech... read the threads please! :)
WOW! I did not follow any negitive posts. I tend to stay away as much as possible from negitivity. Sorry you are leaving. Best of luck in life and love. (((hugs)))
@mwitter80: Vendors are not "allowed" to express a certain opinion anymore or they will be banned, so it's a pretty cut and dry violation if you ask me. But certainly not worth arguing over... you are entitled to your opinion as we all should be.
Well I will be sad to see you go but I think you are seriously overreacting. BeeM (while I don't think she should have been banned) was not strictly banned for 'promoting' pro-photography. It was also because she made several comments that were uncalled for.
I had never seen your comments come across similarly, so I think you would have been fine.
And is the Bee even US-based? I don't even know if the Bee has to follow the U.S. Constitution.
@hisgoosiegirl: Technically speaking, it's a private company, so it doesn't have to let any of us on here. The First Amendment doesn't apply in a private company's space.
@LBPhotography: Best of luck to you!
@mwitter80: ok, thanks. but as a privately-held (presumably) company, does it have to honor freedom of speech?
I wish the mods and photogs could work out something. I'd hate to see them all leave. I truly don't think it's as bad as they are making it out to be. BeeM was banned for rude remarks. The official reason might have been 'promoting' pro-photog, but I think we all know it was because she dissed the photos people posted on a thread where the OP specifically asked for that type of photo and not pro photog advice.
People always get confused by consitutional rights to free speech. It simply doesn't apply if you join a group. This applies in so many situations beyond just this site. For example, my parents ate dinner last night at the New York Yacht Club for the first time. My dad is also a patriot, albeit retired Coast Guard (and in fact, how he has NYYC membership) not Marine, officially recognized as one of the first Coast Guard Heros in their hall of fame. They observed a group come in, take off their jackets and sit down. The maitre d' came over a minute later to request they put their jacket back on, because they have a strict dress code. He didn't object and claim freedom of speech, because it was a private group setting. You don't think anything of it - or object to this behavior - but it's a similar example.
Ok, I will get off my legal soapbox now (you just hit one of those nerves) and say farewell, I am sorry you are going because I really found all of the photo advice from the pros very helpful. Good luck in future endeavors.
ETA: For those still confused by FOS, think of it this way: It's part of the bill of rights. The bill of rights exists because people were worried about the power of the government, based on what England had done over here (e.g. quarter soldiers in homes, not let people practice their religion). So they enacted the bill of rights really to protect citizens from the government - not from each other (or activities each other chose to join). That's why there are things in it such as no cruel and unusual punishment (by the govt) and that the government won't take your property/liberty away without due process.
@jo.lee: Yep, that's correct (but just cause it doesn't HAVE to, doesn't mean it shouldn't)! Thank you Jo Lee! :-)
All this banning is just sad. :( I am sorry you feel you have to leave. I wish that if people didn't like something they would just ignore the advice and move on. All this flagging and banning is frustrating. I love seeing things from all sides and felt our pro's really added something great to the Bee. * sigh I wish you all the best in life. God Bless!
Wow... it is a WEDDING WEBSITE. Not worth this kind of drama nor is it worth some big dramatic good-bye. You wanna leave? Go right ahead. But don't make a production of it. (You in the general sence, not specific....well maybe generally specific...)
I've only read a few posts reguarding BeeM being banned and if I'm understanding correctly she was banned for self promoting (defending her profession as a photographer). She suggested to another bride that if she wanted something done right she should hire a professional. Obviously the bride was asking for opinions and if a professional can't give an honest opinion then should they not even comment at all?
Just because a professional is giving an opinion to use a professional photographer or baker or florist it shouldn't, to me, mean that the bride is going to hire that person for a service. If I'm in San Diego and I'm wanting opinions about a friend who's willing to do my flowers or a professional florist, am I going to hire the florist in New York who's giving me their opinion? I think not.
I would think self promotion is "Don't let your friend do your flowers, I've seen many unhappy brides do this with bad results. I'm a professional florist in San Diego, come by my shop and let me show you how awesome I am".
I'm sorry that you're leaving the WB. I'm sure you've helped many brides in the time you were here.
This is a privately owned website/business. It is not a violation of your constitional rights if they don't allow certain things to be posted. Even individuals cannot post their blogs, except in the monthly "share your blogs" thread.
I'm a huge "rights" person. But I also realize that, for example, my right to keep and bear arms does not mean I can disregard the rules of a private organization for doing so. For example, if I carried a firearm to work, I would be fired; that's not a violation of my rights.
@secondchances: I agree. I mostly read posts and occasionally write a post but I have enjoyed the variety of opinions. I think a lot of the banning was completely unecessary. The site is only as good as its members and I personally did not see any posts that warranted banishment.
@chasesgirl: Been here for three years ... it's kind of a big deal and I wouldn't be doing it if I didn't feel strongly... no need for snarkness. It all comes down to I was here to help people with their photography stuff and it's impossible to do that with my hands tied because (as I'll B said) I'm not allowed to give an honest opinion anymore.
I think its a liiiiiiiiiiiittle melodramatic to liken interwebz drama to the Constitution and your husband being in the military. Please pass along a thank you to your husband for his service to our country though - and best wishes to you.
(I really don't think our servicemen and women - like my brother in law, are spending Thanksgiving in frikking Afghanistan with the thought in mind - IM HERE SO A BUNCH OF GIRLS CAN HAVE FIGHTS ON THE INTERNET!!!")
It goes against your husband's beliefs....do you have any of your own?
@abbyful: You want to equate carrying firearms to work to not even being able to say "if you want nice photos of your wedding hire a professional?" Not even the same ballpark.
In your other post (on the other thread) you say: "People usually see what a large amount of time participating on the boards takes up and that the job is usually thankless and move on."
WB isn't for you to get praise or to sell things. It's a community where people enjoy talking, giving advice, and making friendships. I don't expect any thanks or benefits from any post I make here. I get that you're frustrated because you feel like you can't give accurate advice, but blowing up about it is not the way to make yourself feel better.
@LBPhotography - It's actually exactly the same ballpark. Both are constitional rights, one could make the argument that 2A is even more important because 2A protects all the rest of the rights.... "but that's another show" (-Alton Brown)
You are not being prevented by the government/military/police for saying something on Weddingbee; which is what 1A protects against. 1A, 2A, and the rest of our constitional rights don't mean you don't have to abide by rules of private groups/organizations that you willingly take part in.
i really do think its sad that any of the pros are leaving because BeeM was banned for a couple of reasons:
1) as we have seen with past bannings, the reasons and the number warnings seem to vary by poster, so its not like BeeM getting banned in any means you or any other pro is really at-risk (this is my personal opnion based on my personal observations)
2) As far i know (and i have been following all the threads you and other photogs have started recently), the TOS portion you are referring to has not changed for quite some time. So i would think you would feel safe since I assume up until now, you have been posting freely and have received no warnings nor has anything happend to YOU to make YOU feel that YOU might be banned. So based on that, i would think that you could go on posting and giving photog advice just as you have the past 3 years and nothing would happen. I think BeeMs banning was a somewhat isolated incident, not related to your style of posting.
and on a side note, i think bringing in the constitution and freedom of speech is irrelevant and a huge over reaction. I am sorry you feel this way.
@LBPhotography: Sorry to see you go! I've always appreciated your advice and comments here! :)
And the drama begins.......
@LBPhotography: Good luck with whatever new forum you go to. It's unfortunate this one now isn't going to work for you.
@abbyful: I already agreed that LEGALLY I know that WB doesn't have to follow the constitution, but it doesn't make it right that they SHOULDN'T on this issue. There is a reason why private companies dont allow you to bring a firearm to work - there is no reason for this other than they don't like that particular opinion... sheesh. Don't know what you're trying to prove.
I WISH WB WOULD BAN GOODBYE POSTS. THEY ARE ONLY POSTED BY DRAMA QUEENS!
What is the point of a post like this? Besides to create drama? If you feel like your basic rights are being violated by a message board, by all means feel free to stop participating, but why stir the pot before you go?
You feel your rights are violated because a private wedding website that creates a terms of use policy that doesn't let you talk about your company the way you want to?
You think that's what our Constitution, our military, our public servants, our diplomats, our aid workers are fighting to protect?
I'm in international human rights work where people are jailed, tortured, or killed for expressing their opinion on religion, government, women's rights, and individual civil liberties. I live overseas right now in a country where women can be caned or stoned or burned to death for disobeying her husband.
Sorry, I never post on Wedding Bee but this is so absurd. It makes me really upset to think how many people waste their time and energy protesting absurd things like this when there are real problems to be solved. Get over yourself.
Yep, we all saw your other post rambling on about your constitutional rights and freeedom of speech and in general just taking an internet message board WAY too seriously. Shockingly enough, it turns out that the people who own the message board get to set the rules! If you don't like those rules then leaving makes sense. But enough with the Big Brother crap already.
It seems to me @abbyful is trying to use bringing firearms to work as an analogy for this issue but I don't see it unless you take it a little further.
If you're going to bring a firearm to work and no one knows you have it, (you have a licence to be armed and know how to use it) how would you get fired? If you bring a firearm to work and use it to defend yourself or protect others, would you still get fired? If I was your co-worker and someone came into our place of business to rob us I'd be glad you carried a firearm. Your experience and knowledge was able to protect others.
Am I way off base here?
@Ill Be Mrs B: Yes. Most employers would terminate you regardless if you are licensed or not.
@LBPhotography: I didn't know that if we were on WB that we weren't supposed to exercise our right to freedom of speech. Could you please explain where in the TOS it says that by being a member we can't speak our mind elsewhere?
Whoa, way too much drama. I've only seen it this bad like maybe a couple other times. I think it's obvious why they have a terms of use policy to begin with - this thread being a good example.
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