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    Amaryllis    July 2, 2011  

    So I have been trying to keep details of my life and private stuff more off the bee, but I think I've complained to my friends and family enough and I still don't know what to think. They're all wonderful and supportive, and this is mostly to spare them hearing it again!

    I make no secret of the fact that I am in grad school for my PhD. I have full funding, so this costs me nothing but time. My expect to graduate date is 2015. But my school is 1.5 hrs from "home" and while DH and I had originally been planning to move out there, he really wants to stay and, the big part, hopefully is getting a permanent, full time job around here. We're waiting to hear on the interviews. I wrote this post in the spring, and when I'm honest with myself, the commute may as well be 2 hrs till I leave, drive what is really about an hour and a half, then walk in from my designated parking area. Four months ago I thought commuting was the solution, but now that I did this through the summer, I don't like that any more than living out there. I feel disconnected from my program and my peers.

    The thing of it is, I don't love it anyway. I want to teach at the college level. Research is interesting, but it's not my passion or anything. I do it because I have to. I'm not in it for its own sake; I'm in it because I need a PhD to do what I want to do. And as awful as this is going to sound, my program isn't even in the concentration I want. It was the closest, admitted me early, and gave me funding, so I took it. I'm a bad grad student.

    So I'm sure you can see where this is going. The reason I did it is because that was the only job I thought I wanted. And I knew I'd always wonder "what if" if I didn't go for it. But now I've seen it, and I'm not impressed. I'm not that happy. A lot of things have changed since then just in my life and how I think about myself and my life. First, there is only one university close to "home" and I already know that I do not want to have a huge commute like this for the rest of my life. I know DH wants to settle here permanently, so I worry that I'll get this degree and not be able to find a job with it around here, or I'll end up commuting an hr+ for the rest of my life. Second, I hate living this way. I want to settle down myself. It's a long, complicated story of putting my self-worth in academics, but my priorities are shifting. I never entertained the "good-enough job." I also hate how much time -- paying down student loans, saving for a house, saving for retirement, etc -- we lose every year that I'm not working full time.

    But. Of course there's a "but" or I would have just quit grad school considering all that. I like what I do for the most part. I'm smart and good at school. I am scared of writing my dissertation, but who isn't at least a little? Also, it's fairly secure. With funding issues in education, it may not always be so (and I hear incoming cohorts are not going to be fully funded). And it will ultimately get me the job I want (if I can find one), although "the job I want" is not a firmly held concept. I never really knew what I wanted to do, and teaching in a university for me is the best of the options, not really my dream or anything. I don't have a career dream. I have a life dream -- home ownership and a family. And while I know that a PhD is not precluding me from either of those, it sure does feel like it these days. Though I try to tell myself that in the long run for the future it will help me be more successful.

    Sometimes I think about applying for jobs, but I don't know how to get around references. Obviously, it would be hard to explain what I've been doing for the last 8 months without mentioning my PhD program. But there is no way I'd want my program to know that I am looking elsewhere for fear that they'll give my funding to someone more committed. Sometimes I think about doing student teaching. I'd have to pay for one undergrad semester at my "home" school, but I worry that jobs in education are really hard to come by and it's a really bad time for that right now. I'm scared to quit grad school (with a comfortable paycheck and health insurance) to then not be able to get a job anyway.

    See why I'm so confused? My semester starts at the end of the month, and I know that I'll go to it and it'll be fine. As I said, I like it enough; it's just the lifestyle and delaying "real life" that I don't know about. Is it worth it?

     
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    7SEVENJ9    September 25, 2010  

    I can see why you're confused. I went through some of the same feelings, though my situation was slightly different. I made the decision to go to grad school based on the fact that I wasn't READY to move on from the "school" lifestyle that I enjoyed. My friends/family were nearby, which helped that decision too. And the job market sucked at the time (not unlike today). In the end, it paid off, because even though my degree was in Justice Studies, just having my masters got me a higher paying job in healthcare, despite the degree not really pertaining to the job. Good luck, things will work out - even if you don't end up teaching at a university, your degree will set you apart from other candidates. It's scary, but you're doing something good for yourself.

     
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    mightywombat    June 25, 2011   Massachusetts

    Do you mind if I ask what field you're in? You don't have to say the exact field, but it might help knowing if it's humanities, sciences, or social sciences.

     
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    Amaryllis    July 2, 2011  

    @mightywombat: It's a social science. There is only one private industry around here outside of academia that I could possibly work at, and it would be doing research, which is the part I like the least about what I'm doing now.

    @7SEVENJ9: I worry that, given the above, I'd be over-qualified to do anything outside of academia if we settle down in this area.

     
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    MrsSl82be    October 24, 2009  

    I started to write a long drawn out response, then deleted because it wouldn't really help.

    Basically, I am now working in a field where college won't help me make any more money. I can make really good money without it.  So, I'm REALLY glad I decided to take a year off before getting my MBA, and found this job in that time. I am so over school!!

    I would also like to know what field you are studying. Have you thought about going to career fairs, and trying to see what else is out there in your area? You might be able to find something else while you are in school, and then figure it out from there

     
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    tksjewelry    June 25, 2011   Omaha

    Wow, that is a quandary.  Personally in your situation I would stick it out.  Now, having said that, if you left the program are you going to look back in ten years and think woulda, coulda, shoulda?  I know that you said that your program is going in a direction that you don't want, but will it get you to the point that you want in five, ten, and twenty years down the road?  Can you imagine raising a family while you are doing what you are doing?  Will it afford you the time for baseball games and dance recitals?  At what age will it allow you to retire?  Will you look back when retired and think "I accelled at my career and family"?

    I can tell you that I had a great career for many years, to be honest, for my field my degree was a waste of time.  I was great at working and saving money for retirement, but in the long run, I screwed up.  I wish that I had made more time for the baseball games and being more involved with the school activities.  My son is now 18, in school and prepairing for the military life, but I feel like I missed so much so that I could have a career.  Now that I am married and the step son is going to high school, career oportunities have pop back up but I have said no to them.  Actually I am looking at part time work now in two fields that will allow me to make it to every football game and be apart of the booster club at school.

    So I think the best thing for you to do now is to imagine yourself in thiry years and ask yourself how you want to look back at your life.  Ask the older self the hard questions and answer them realistically.  There is going to be your answers.

     

     
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    Amaryllis    July 2, 2011  

    @MrsSl82be: I watch job postings all the time. I've found a few along the way that I've thought about applying for; the reference situation above is what holds me back. Ideally, I'd just start applying for jobs and see what I could get while staying in grad school, just so I could know what my options are. I don't want my "current employer" to know that I'm looking, though, and they'd be my best references so I feel sort of stuck. Like if I'm going to apply for jobs, I need to be prepared to at least tell my advisor and hope she'd be a reference/not tell the rest of the department or do anything that would get my funding cut. I'm afraid that to pursue a job would be to lose my funding, which would work out OK if I were to get the job. But in today's economy, I would expect having to apply for a few over a length of time, and I'm worried about being entirely unemployed while searching if I were to lose my funding at school.

     
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    smyley    May 2010  

    I think the bottom line is that you don't sound one bit happy and maybe all this worrying is telling you something you might not be ready to hear or change. It also sounds like you're doing what you THINK you should be doing and not what your head and heart really want.

    Probably 30+ years ago, some guru told women they could have it all and juggle everything successfully. Some can,but many can't. Something has to give. I always knew that family was and would always be the most important thing to me,so my decision was an easy one. You sound torn.

    One of my friends told me just a few weeks ago that one of her patients teaches at a local university in a program for people wanting to be college professors (?). She went on to say she felt so guilty even teaching the course knowing there were NO JOBS out there,especially since most professors were tenured. What will they do upon graduation? Keep going to school since they can't find a job? A few of my friends were like that,just playing around to avoid being in the real world. I didn't understand it then, and I still don't now.

    Sometimes you just have to take the plunge and move on. Living with the fear that you might make the wrong choice will get you nowhere.

     
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    vmblai1019    October 29, 2011   Atlanta, GA

    @Amaryllis: I don't think there is any such thing as "overqualification". Are you really passionate about teaching? I wouldn't quit school just yet, and you should definitely talk to your FI about how all this is making you feel. (Even if you already have)

    What do you enjoy the most about your field of study? Do you still enjoy it at all? If you don't have a passion for it, then maybe it's just not the right field for you.

     
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    vmblai1019    October 29, 2011   Atlanta, GA

    @smyley: I agree. Taking these risk are just part of life. You can't sit on the fence wondering, because you'll never know unless you try. If you don't try, you may regret it. School can be helpful, if you want a higher-paying, office-type job. Sadly, with jobs like teaching, there are so little spots available because of tenure. Not to mention with more and more job cuts, there will be even less positions or options. There are however, a shortage of skilled laborers. Basically, everyone has it drilled into their skull that they have to have an education and a white collar job, but that just isn't true. We need welders, we need mechanics, and other similar jobs. Without skilled labor, "civilized" life, as we know it, just isn't possible.

     
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    janebennett      

    Can you do some TA-ing or teaching at the school or even private tutoring, while still getting your degree? This way, you could gain some teaching experience (and recommendations), while still getting the PhD and keeping yourself fully funded. 

     

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