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This topic came up at work this morning and became very interesting to discuss. I want to know where the majority of Bees stand.
I think it should be legal for medicinal and recreational use. I've witnessed far greater atrocities at the hands of alcohol than I ever have with weed. It would provide a whole new source of tax revenue and keep petty criminals out of our already full prisons and save tax dollars it would otherwise cost to incarcerate some college kid who was found with a joint. To me, alcohol is far more dangerous and if something as dangerous as alcohol can be relatively successfully regulated, then pot can be as well.
That's just me though. I'm sure there are people out there who would disagree. :)
Well. I don't/wont smoke it. But this is what I have said for a while.
People overdose on drugs & alcohol everyday. People don't usually overdose on marijuana. I have heard you can but you have to smoke your entire body weight? No idea if this is true or not. Also you can't get addicted to marijuana. Some say you can but from what I have heard and read you cannot.
I only have one issue with it. There is NO accurate test to see if someone is intoxicated at this very moment like there is alcohol. DH works a very dangerous job, if someone is jacked up on the job people DIE. Until there is a test to see if that guy running the crane is jacked up or just a F*$king moron, I just can't get behind it at all.
@tksjewelry: See, this I have also thought of! That is why I voted for medical use only & by prescripction from a doctor only!
I also worry about the job aspect of it as well. But most ppl I know have enough respect to not do it in the workplace. I mean alcohol is legal but ppl dont come into work drunk (im sure some ppl do lmao) I think it would be the same for weed as well. I dont smoke it but I dont see a problem with it. There are much worse things in the world than marijuana.
I think it should be legal for medicinal purposes and for the government to be able to control it/tax it/etc. I'm pretty sure marijuana is a cash crop in certain parts of the US and it would be nice to see some of that money go to education.
I voted it should be legal for prescription and recreational use, largely because if it's legal it can be taxed and the damage it does (largely to mental health) can be paid for (looking from the point of view of someone in the UK where healthcare is paid for by taxes)
My dad is a pothead. He wakes up every day with a joint and smokes solidly all day every day. It doesn't do him as much damage as alcohol but it has not helped his mental health.
@tksjewelry: What you're saying makes complete and total sense, but at the same time certain workplaces can ban certain substances that are completely legal. I used to have a job that required we not be on OTC cough syrup, RX pain killers or anxiety meds.
I think it should be legal, expensive and taxed--kind of like weddings. It'd be a great revenue stream for the government.
ETA: For the first time ever, that I've noticed, the little "Related Topics" bar at the bottom has found no related topics. :-D
No question, it should be legalized. It's ridiculous that it's not. If the government would just get with the program and legalize and tax it, they'd made a shit load of money and we wouldn't be in the terrible situation that we're in now. How alcohol is legal but weed isn't is beyond me. Im not ashamed to say that I partake and I still manage to hold a good job and be a contributing member of society.
@Carnival_Bride: When it is 6 months between jobs, You tell boilermakers they can't partake when they are off, not me! I like to keep my head intact, LOL.
It would also create jobs. You'd have farms, shops with government licensed sellers. If they could nail down a way to test for it in your system to help crack down on ppl who work in dangerous occupations, like some other ladies mentioned, it would be a fantastic opportunity. With all the chemicals that are in cigarettes these days, really, pot should be legal and cigarettes should be illegal. You don't see someone who smokes pot get antsy when they haven't smoked for a whole ten minutes. They don't need to light up the moment they're in the car. They don't become desperate for smoke breaks during the work day. And they don't go through periods of withdrawal that make quitting almost impossible. Cigarettes create an addiction unlike anything pot creates.
I guess I'm really just kind of surprised this hasn't been a bigger conversation nationally, especially given how weak the economy has become.
I myself don't/won't partake in it, so I guess to me it doesn't really matter. I know people who do, and that's their own choice and I totally respect it. I see pros and cons on both sides, so I don't have a strong opinion either way.
Only for medicinal purposes. I think there are more important issues to be fighting for.
@claireos: I agree.
I pretty much have the stance of "live & let live".
In my industry, it would have to be heavily mandated - I work for a trucking firm, so there would obviously have to be HEAVY regulations like the DOT regulations on alcohol (for example, alcohol-wise, anyone with a CDL- as opposed to a standard drivers license- who gets pulled over & gets a breathalyzer has a lower standard... nationwide it is .04, whereas in IL you can blow anything under a .08 if you have a class D license).
Like many of the above posters, I feel that marijuana is far less dangerous, in most applications, than alcohol. But, I do believe it would have to be mandated in some ways, in certain industries (trucking, heavy equiptment) - I, unfortunately, have seen far too many truck drivers fail state mandated random DOT drug and alcohol screenings.
I don't really have a strong opinion either way. I don't partake although i know people who do... it doesn't really affect me either way.
I support legalization. The government wastes so much money on drug policy enforcement that doesn't really do much good. Legalizing would create revenue and take power away from dangerous drug cartels
When I think about legalization I think about Mexico and how much it would be easier in a sense taking power from Cartels (and they would go out of business ultimately because their goods would mean NOTHING over here). I watch Border Wars and am obsessed and it's amazing how much they have taken over both Mexico and areas of Texas and are willing to kill in order to secure that their drugs can pass through to america where they make HUNDREDS of thousands if not millions on drugs that drug dealers up here buy. It's very dangerous and sad in both Mexico and across the border. I think for THAT reason, we should legalize marijuana. I don't smoke it, was never a fan, and could care less, but ultimately we are going to end up fighting a war to secure our borders and fight back because of drug cartels.
In my experience, most people who smoke weed are complety imbeciles (just for the record, I think they are already imbeciles only for smoking weed, but they happen to be total idiots in many other aspects too).. so, why would something for those imbeciles be legalized? They think they are cool, of course, but they are just loosers... I don't suppot that kind of drugs.. I don't want my kids in some near future to come home with pot only because "it's legal".. bite me!! It's bad enough with cigarretes causing lung cancer and alcohol causing horrible accidents, to add a stupid drug that drains the brain out of people...
Personally, mind altering substances (pot, opiate meds, all that fun stuff) should be heavily regulated, hard to get, expensive and prescription only. Tax the heck out of it and suddenly it looses it's appeal.
I think the stuff reeks, the guy who had his locker above me in HS always stank of pot so I don't want random people always walking around smelling like it.Of course I think that about cigarettes too which is why I love the laws in Texas that smoking isn't legal inside restaurants or anything and not within 25 ft of the door to a building so I don't have to walk through the noxious cloud.
I wouldn't be partaking regardless of if it was legal or not so I don't really care, though I do think it has a big potential to be very bad, especially in the work related examples people have given.
I think it should be legal for everyone (of age), I'm in California where it's legal medically, and I have a med card. And it makes me feel better that I'm getting it from small organic farms and not drug cartels. No one should have to die for me to get high. It's a much better system, it should just be legal outright, instead of pretending to be for "serious medical conditions only".
As much as I hate it, I think it should be legal no matter the case. Alcohol is far more dangerous than marijuana.
I think it stinks to high hell, and I hate to be around it, but the same is true of cigarettes. I don't have a strong opinion either way, but I would like to make sure people aren't allowed to use it and then go to a job or do a task where public safety is at risk. And if it's legal, it should be heavily taxed and really expensive. If people have genuine medical needs for it, which I realize there are really such people, they can get some sort of discount for their personal use.
Plenty of already legal things are much more dangerous for our society.
As far as my answer/feelings, I would vote to legalize it completely, so long as it's a taxable form of revenue for the country. Why the politicians can't get their heads around it I have yet to understand.
If it were legalized, the stigma attached to it would go away; it wouldn't be the "cool thing to do" as much. Just like underage drinking. Once you hit 21, it's not as cool anymore (for a lot, not all.) At least for me and a lot of people I've talked to.
I'm finding this interesting and am also surprised there is no related topic! I'm all for it and partake occasionally. Sometimes it helps before bed if I'm having trouble sleeping and sometimes it's just my way to relax on the weekend. My policy is everything in moderation. I try to save it for the weekend. My FI uses it to relax also and finds it helps his depression/anxiety more than his prescription drugs. I don't drink much at all. I hate that some people have ruined the image of a pothead because they all smell bad, can't hold a job and have to work in the food industry where there are no drug tests. These people are giving smokers a bad name. There are SO MANY people who smoke and you would have no idea. I guarantee a majority of teachers and other professionals smoke daily. Everyone respectful that smokes has to keep quiet to hold their job. Plenty of my friends' successful parents have admitted they still partake every now and then. The only ones being loud and obnoxious about what they do in their free time have no responsibilities and thus giving smokers a bad image. I've made a million bad decisions while drunk and not a single one when I'm high. I did a research paper in high school over the legalization of marijuana and compared it to the prohibition of alcohol. It's amazing the facts you find our there if you go searching.
I don't give a shiz personally cause I don't and never have done it, but legally, I would love for it to be legalized and taxed IF the law enforcement can figure out a way to regulate it (like there's an alcohol test for drunk driving/workplace violations, etc).
@Fairy_in_love: I take serious offense to your statement. Implying that everyone who smokes is a loser is a pretty bold (and ass backwards) statement. I would guarantee that there are people that you know who smoke and just don't advertise it. For the record, I have a corporate job, maintain a fabulous lifestyle and consider myself to be a pretty responsible individual. All things not common of a "loser".
@claireos: I agree with this completely.
If alcohol, which clearly has the potential to cause a lot of damage, is legal, then why not weed?
Legalize it, tax the bejesus out of it, and use that money to fund other things.
ETA: I've done WAY worse/dumber things on other substances, like alcohol, than I have on weed. I'm not saying it's the safest thing ever, but people drive on prescription pain meds all the time and its apparently not that big of a deal.?
@UpstateCait: I'm right there with you. I was also offended by Fairy_in_love's comment. It's that ignorance keeping it illegal. I'm about to finish college in a year and will have my BA done in 3.5 years with a 3.6 GPA. Smoking hasn't turned me into a loser by any means.
I agree with many PP's, I think that alcohol and even tobacco have far worse consequences than any seen from recreational weed. I have never heard of a case where anyone has died from smoking marijuana and if the government would regulate it then it would be a whole new source to taxes.
Pretty much every person in Hollywood at least smokes weed , and most people in your life probably have or do on ocassion light up.
I'm also in the " I don't give a shizz" camp, because people will be getting it and doing it , regardless of its legality.
Having it for medical needs is great, but people will stil abuse it just like everythign else. [ i have some family in California who have the "Cards" and let me tell ya they have no medical problems]
I feel like there is no good answer.
@Fairy_in_love: Woah, tell us how you really feel. Many of these lovely Bees here take the occasional toke, and are far from "losers."
I haven't smoked in years, but certainly did in college. And somehow managed to grow into a responsible adult with a nice life, a beautiful child, a husband who is crazy about me, and maintain a few brain cells floating around somewhere. Legalize it, tax it, move on with life.
By the way, if you're going to insult people for being idiots, learn to spell the word "losers" correctly.
The stinky, lazy, uneducated, can't hold a job pothead stereotype is just that - a stereotype popularized by tv comedies. There's a horrible stereotype about every vice. The "potheads" I know who have used it from time to time over the years are very successful. They've all graduated from college. One works in senior management, another is a chef, another is a teacher who owns his own DJ/video company, another is a communications technician. Not exactly what you'd call stinky lazy potheads. There is always going to be a bad apple in every group that is going to unfortunately be adopted as the bad poster child but the issue can't be totally judged based on those bad apples. If we're simply looking at those who screw up then we need a new revival of the prohibition simply based on the sheer number of drunk driving casualties and women abused by alcoholic spouses. Yeah, that lazy teenage pothead is an annoyance but he certainly isn't going home and beating his wife and children, consuming till he blacks out, jumps in a car and causes more casualties.
I'm not saying that teenage potheads are not something we should strive to avoid. But I do think that there should be more conversations about this topic in general and they need to go further than "no, pot is bad, end of story." There's a way to regulate and educate about every vice. I don't see a difference when you throw pot into the mix. If they chose not to legalize it I would rather hear it was because it would be too challenging to regulate.
Personally, I would never smoke pot. Even if it was legal. But I think it deserves a second of public discussion. That's all. :) (Jumps off soap box)
I would never like to see it legal
A friend of mine started seeing a guy who was a heavy Pot user, and she also became a heavy user. She went from a healthy confident girl full of possibilities. To a girl who looked sick, who was highly paranoid, thought people were chasing her trying to rape and kill her and eventually she killed herself.
We tried to get her help from the Mental Health medical community, but she refused help and was sure the Doctors were also trying to kill her.
Pot is not harmless. I agree with a PP who stated that if it were to become legal it should be heavily regulated, expensive and only by prescrption.
When you start playing with substances that alter your mind, you play with fire.
And yes, people do die from Marjuana Addiction!
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