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This is my take on it. I understand that you still love her for the person that she used to be...the fun friend you had! But my dear.....you cant leave in the past. People do change. Sometimes not for the better. She sounds like she is undependable. Im not saying you cant be friends with her or anything because gosh know she needs someone that is stable in her life by the recap of hers you tell. My thing is that if she offers to do stuff and take the responisiblity of it on she should be on her game. I think its not fair that she think that you just need a plain old shower cake. I also think that if she is not going to step up to the responsiblity especially when others are that she should have the decency to step aside and let someone else do it.
Here is something else I dont get if she is not wanting to spend more then $50 on your shower why is she not taking the other BM help. Like the invitation and cake.
To me there is to may red flags. Plus you have to look at the long run...is she actually going to show up at the wedding. If she cant get back to you or your other BM on details for a shower detials do you really think she will be on time for hair appointments and the day of the wedding!
I vote that she get the boot. I told all my brides that there was a set "contract" so to speak of what I wanted....nothing over the top...like the cost of the dress and the shoes and that I would have someone do their make up and hair all for $100. I set deadlines for money to be handed in and time lines for the day of. If they had a problem with it and couldnt do any of that they were just a guest. There is nothing wrong with setting standers of what you expect from them.
After all the reason you have your closest reliable friends and family members as your wedding party is so that you have you own cheerleading team. They are there to support you and help you so you dont get stressed and discouraged.
Im not saying be a drill sargent and demand a lot over the top thing of them.
Its common knowledge what a BM and MOH is suppose to do.
Again I look at it this way...If you can do the deed....you will be an attendee!
I also think that you should use the other friend as the MOH...even if she doesnt think she needs a title but that is why we give them out at the wedding...the highest title goes to the one that we know we can depend on the most!
Sorry for the rambling...my mind is just on overload!
Hope this helps!
Sorry, but I feel like you're the one in the wrong here - I think brides here take for granted MOH's throwing showers just because many do, but it is not actually a requirement. Obviously as the bride we are spending a ton of $$ and time on the wedding, but being a bridesmaid can be expensive too, and it's not fair to expect her to plan and pay for all that stuff - especially since it seems like she never even offered to, you just assumed and gave her lists of people and others. Yes, once she committed to the invites she should of followed through but I certainly don't think that's worth ending a friendship over! And for the record, there is nothing wrong with Hallmark invites, and they certainly don't have to match the wedding color scheme.
And bridesmaids aren't required to get their hair done for the wedding either...I know that as brides we kinda picture that in our head and what a nice picture it will make for the photographer, but that is absolutely not something you can require her to do.
Breath! And be thankful for such amazing friends and family you do have stepping up to help you (I kinda went through the same thing with my matron of honor) she may very well be the friend you loose after the wedding...it sounds like she is going down a different path in her life, and sadly it is effecting you and your wedding. Hopefully she will pull through for you in the end, and I hope she get's it together for your case!! Maybe you should take some of the load off of her for the rest of the wedding and ask your other girls to help you out, and tell her flat out you appreciate her wanting to do it all but its better for every ones mental health! I wish you the best of luck!!
So this is just my humble opinion, but....
It seems as if all that's left is the actual wedding. If it were me, at this point, I would keep her in the bridal party. If she wants to go some place else for her hair, I would also let her. I might first offer to pay the difference between the $65(which doesn't sound that high to me) and whatever she can get elsewhere.... but I would no longer bend over backwards for her.
As other people pointed out, you USED to be good friends. But she hasn't been trying very hard or acting like a good friend lately if you ask me. If she misses out on photos because she wants to be a negative nancy and a stick in the mud instead if trying to discuss it and work it out with you, I say let her. Though if she does her hair early,then comes to hang out with everyone at the salon and support you, that would be ok in my opinion too.
She sounds like she may be having money problems, so not requiring her to get her hair done with everyone should be allowed. I would try to work with her but I certainly wouldn't fight over that one. Not worth your energy and emotion.
From the sounds of it, you may drift further your seperate ways after the wedding anyhow. No need to make a drastic severance now that leave you the bad guy and you may regret and feel bad later on your big day. I say be the bigger and better friend you are and suck it up for now. Have an amazing time at your wedding and let her participate to the extent she will, but otherwise, don't let worrying about her consume your day. Remember, it's your day not hers. I say just let her fade into the background and enjoy that fact that this is about you, you gorgeous special lady.
@Wonderstruck: I never asked or expected a bridal shower from her. She took it upon herself, but has been refusing to communicate with the BM's and my mom who also wants to be part of this. She could have easily said she didn't have money or time for this. Like I said before someone offered to make the invites.....this would have cost her $0. I also mentioned that all the other girls are paying the same amount as her.....so again I'm not expecting her to pay for or plan it all. Many people are trying to offer her help with the planning and she is refusing yet not getting the job done, so that puts me in the position of do I let her continue or step in and say hey why don't you just let everyone else step in like they want since it seems to be an issue for her. I never said I required her to get her hair done, I was just hoping to not get the negative sarcastic attitude when I asked her, which is why I stated I would have paid for it if it was a to expensive for her so we could all be together. I guess when I think of a Maid or matron of honor I think of someone who cares for you just as much as you care for them and you want to be with them that whole day and be their support....like I did for her at her wedding. If the financial end of it is too much for them then I would hope, since I obviously feel that close to them, that they could talk to me about it. All my bridesmaids know I would help them financially in any way I can. I just want them standing there with me. I never said I wanted to end the friendship, however her negative attitude towards everything is making me question how true a friend she really is. I think maybe you skipped a few lines here and there when you were reading my original post.
@MrsGuy: Just to let you know maid of honor vs matron of honor, the only difference is that a maid has never been married and a matron is a married or divorced woman. As for everything else, I'm not really sure what to tell you, but good luck with everything.
My only fear with giving the ax is that it'll create even more drama. It sounds like the drama ensued, has been mitigated by loving friends and family, and what is left are the hurt feelings. If you truly fear she will be a no show for the wedding b/c she wasn't able to follow through w/ the shower commitments she made, then i would consider it. If you really don't think that will happen, it might not be worth it at this point. It will probably only stress you out even more. It sounds like there isn't much left for her to do other than hold the bouquet, walk down the aisle, etc. Others are stepping up to fill in the gaps, and that's wonderful...and probably even common.
I'm also confused about the maid/matron of honor thing. You have two? Are they co-maid(trons) of honor and both on equal footing as the lead of bridesmaids? Not having a clear leader or vying personalities in a co-leader position could exacerbate the problem.
You picked her. It's too bad how things have turned out. But I'm a "stick with your decisions and make it work" kind of person.
@MrsGuy: I didn't skip any lines. You said that your fiance says you lose one friendship from a wedding and is this that friendship? And let's be honest, kicking her out of the bridal party would most likely be a friendship-ending move, I don't think I was jumping to conclusions with that one. But yes, it's ridiculous that she is turning down help, saying she'll do it herself, and then not doing it - your OP was pretty long and I think that got kinda lost in the details. I would probably just tell her, "X is going to be taking care of invites/decorations/whatever." End of discussion, if she tries to protest be firm. But I still wouldn't kick her out.
Sounds like you guys aren't on the same page. It may be time to cut your losses.
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Ok, so a little background about my MOH. We met back in the day (12yrs ago now) working for the same jeweler while we were in college. We clicked as friends right away. She was a bit of a goody goody at the time, but then again she wasn't even 21 yet. Needless to say we had a lot of fun through our 20's. She settled back down with a very wrong guy and fell off the face of the earth. After a few short yrs she realized what he was doing to her and got out. Welcome back friend! Now her personality seems to be set on the lets find another man because I really need to be married etc. She has a very old soul feel to her at this point. Still, I love her because she is my friend. Shortly after this she finds so-called Mr. Right.....living together in 3mos engaged by mo 4, married 9mos later. I was extrememly honored to be a BM in her wedding and it actually seemed this was it for her.....1yr later divorce papers. The honemoon phase was over there were no more butterflies and now they don't have anything in common. Now comes my turn. 7mos after her legal seperation My soon to be decides he wants to get me a ring. In comes my MOH since she still works at the Jewelers. My Mr Right was not shure he wanted to go see her because of her relationship troubles fearing she might feel bad, so he emails her to get a feel for it. She is all for it super excited and knows several pieces I would die for. He pops the big ?, I say yes. She is the first person I call!! I immediately know that I want her to be my Matron of honor (I also have a Maid of Honor). She is my oldest friend, and knowing how well she put her own wedding together I want her wisdom. I think about it for a min because of her situation, and then think what the heck she's currently dating a new guy and very happy, it can't hurt to ask. She's thrilled, can't believe I asked her, so excited. I organize a wedding girls group on my FB so they all have contact together it's all good. 8mos later....the ball needs to get started on the Bridal shower. I get her my list of invites. The rest of the BM's are trying to get ahold of her but she's not responding in a timely fashion if she responds at all. I am now the connection between all the girls. I organzie a meeting of the minds at my moms house (I won't be there as I shouldn't be). Now I'm told that the metting went rather well, and she insisted she needs no help with invites or anything she has it all under control........now here begins some of what I think are some rather large issues.
1) she calls me and asks if there is anyone I can cut from my list of 40 because between her and 7 other BM's she feels she doesn't want to pay more that $50 for my shower
2) MY maid of honor discusses with her that she's paying a large % of the bachelorette party (which she is planning) and also purchasing the shower cake from a local baker and wanted to know if that would suffice for her contribution. Which I think is more than fair since my Matron is not putting in any extra. Well she tells her no it is not enough and she still needs money and feels that I don't need a nice cake from a baker and should just get me a grocery store cake. I was a little floored by this....am I wrong for feeling so??
3) My mother calls me because she is getting concerned because my Matron has not gotten back to her and no one knows anything about the decor, invites, or extras needed at the shower.....we are now 7 1/2wks from the shower.
4) A very close family friend who is involved with the shower offers to make up all the invites complete with the thank you cards....it's a special thing she likes to do for friends......my matron refuses and insists she wants something more special. She ended up getting hallmark recycled paper invites that were a tan brown color with almost stick figure style bride and groom dressed in black and white polka dots. (My colors are eggplant and silver)
5)My mother asks her if she needs help getting out invites as we are now 5wks away, she declines any help.
6) 3wks away from my shower I leave her a message telling her to drop the invites off at my house and I will stuff them with the registry info and mail them out. Which I did with one of my BM's.
7) I order my own food as she never did it.
8) My next oldest friend in the world, trying to help relieve some of the stress, steps up to the plate and pays for the $100 room deposit and is also contributing the predetermined amount plus making extra food trays to keep the cost under 50. She then messages her and says I will get the water!?!?
9) I had made appointments for all the girls at the salon for hair the day of the wedding, as the photographer will be there snapping away of all us girls getting ready together. She informs me she'd rather just go to her own salon as she feels $65 is an insane price to get a wedding updo. I've paid well over 65 myself, and I also have opted for my own hairdresser in the past, but only knowing that we were not all going to the same place to begin with and there was no photographer present for hair. Had she not been so sarcastic I would have paid for her to get her hair done because it means a lot to me that she is there.
There are more smaller things I don't want to get into, but those small things packed on top of the rest is really upsetting to me. I have tried having a heart to heart with her and I still want to offer to somehow pay for either some or all of her hair because despite this side of her that I'm seeing, I still remember what I loved about my old friend. I however feel that my friend who is stepping up in a major way for me should have been in the Matron position all along, we too have a huge history and she is an amazing friend. I was going to try to make changes, however my should be Matron told me that she doesn't need a fancy title to know where she stands with me. I know I should look beyond her Matronzilla attitude and I'm trying to but things just keep popping up, and I'm very afraid of what might happen to come out of my mouth during my bachelorette party if her zilla side comes out. Lord knows its all fair game to me when I'm drinking!!
So what to do what to do? My fiance has told me he read there is always one friendship lost from a wedding.....is this that friendship?
Trying to enjoy this ride I'm on, but these potholes just keep irratating me!
Advice???