Post # 1
I’ve tried on many dresses and feel confident in the silhouette that looks good on me. Long story short, I’ve decided to order Allure 8850 without trying it on because I can’t find a sample in my size (street size 22). While I was waiting to be measured, I heard my saleslady whispering with the manager. She came over and told me that because I’m 5’11” tall, I would have to order a longer length for $100 more. I told them that my hollow to hem measurement is 60″, so the standard length would be fine. She seemed shocked that I knew that.
So then the alterations lady comes out and measures me. She measured my waist around my belly button! It was 5 inches bigger than my natural waist. From the Allure website:
“MEASURE YOUR NATURAL WAIST
Wrap the measuring tape around your natural waist, which is approximately 2 inches above your belly button.”
At DB, they said I was a size 22. When I was considering a Justin Alexander, I was a 24. This woman said that my waist measuerment meant I need a size 30.
I don’t want to order a dress 3 sizes too big and have it look homemade after they alter the heck out of it. Am I being unrealistic? With my natural waist measurement, I fit Allure’s size 26. Would you trust a seamstress that doesn’t know how to measure properly? The only reason I want to order this dress is because it sits at the natural waistline, which is more flattering on me. If it’s going to sit around my bellybutton, I don’t want it!
Post # 3
I’m not very familiar with the hollow to hem measurement because I bought the sample I tried on, but I think you’re supposed add a couple inches for anything that isn’t a straight skirt. I guess I would just be careful that it doesn’t end up too short.
As far as the measuring, I think your consultant measured you wrong with this dress. If possible, I would go back and ask for a different person to measure you.
Best of luck! It’s a gorgeous dress!!!
Post # 4
@sopraffina: I would not consider the Justin Alexander sizing chart since they vary by designer. Do you fit into the size 26 for the Allure for all of the other measurements? Are you planning on wearing heels?
Post # 5
I would not go with a standard length reason being not every dress has the same hollow to hem it varies depending on the skirt and most Allure dresses have a hollow to hem of 59″. As far as the measurements if she measured at the belly button that is not a proper measurement. I would not compare sizes with other designers once you are measured correctly because they are all different you may be one size in one designer and 2+ sizes different in the next. By looking at size charts a 22 at DB is about a 28 for Allure.
I wish you the best of luck, you have selected a beautiful gown!!!
Post # 6
You have two issues here- 1) the hollow to hem. If you’ve been measured in heels and your hollow to hem measurment is 59/60″ you should be good. If you’re measuring hollow to hem in bare feet or flats you may have a problem. As long as you are confident in your hollow to hem measurement, I think you would be ok with a regular length gown.
2)waistline- this is can be super confusing because the natural waist varies on every woman. Basically your natural waist is the SMALLEST point between your ribs and your hips. For MOST women that falls about 2 inches above the belly button, but not for all women. Stand in front of the mirror with your hands at your side. Look at your torso. Where is the smallest point? If it is around your belly button, then you were measured correctly. If its higher or lower, request to be measured by someone else.
If the gown does end up being a little large, a good seamstress should be able to alter it without it looking “homemade” as you put it. Honestly the vast majority of women have to have their gowns altered, and you can’t tell looking at it. Like a previous poster said don’t compare size charts between designers- they don’t match up at all.
Good Luck- I hope you’re able to get the gown in the right size. Please share pictures when you decide!
Post # 7
I used to work in bridal and sold high end dresses (Vera Wang, Monique Lhuillier, Lazaro, etc.). I had to measure girls on a daily basis so hopefully I can help you!
Dresses can always be taken in and it is much harder for them to be let out. Generally if they have to be let out the only thing you can do is have a panel corset be put in the back to allow for extra room. If you needed room in the hips, you’d be out of luck. I’ve seen size 12 dresses be taken down 4 sizes and as long as you have a good seamstress you are fine!
Same thing goes with length. Better to go longer. Dresses can always be hemmed, but generally not lengthened. so, with any designer if you are over 5′ 9″/5′ 10″ you will have to pay for extra length. The price varies by designer, but sometimes it can be up to $1000! Also, most trunk shows will wave extra length, opening the cup, or rush fees if you buy your dress during one. Don’t be afraid to ask for them to throw that in or split the fee with you.
Don’t pay attention to the size charts! Every designer is different. Vera’s size chart usually is a size or two bigger than street, but Lazaro’s was 3-4 sizes bigger than street, so the size means nothing! 🙂
I just bought my Vera Wang gown and I ordered it a size bigger than I really was. I have a neck injury that hasn’t allowed me to exercise the last 9 months so I’d rather play it safe than sorry! Trust me, you would rather have the dress tailored to you than it be pinching or too tight in an area. It’s all about the fit! 🙂 Generally you have to order the dress size that suits your biggest area. My hips are my biggest area with my waist being 3 sizes smaller!
Good luck and I hope this helped!
Post # 8
Also, just another tip. When measuring your hollow to hem, make sure you pull the tape away from your body/feet if your dress flows away from your body at all (especially an A-line and Ballgown). The only real exception is for a sheath shaped gown. If you don’t pull the tape away and allow for the room that the skirt will fall naturally, your measurement may not be correct and your gown may come too short.
Post # 9
maybe you can go to another shop that sell the dress and have it measure again. good luck.
Post # 10
Thanks for all the responses! If she had measured me at my natural waist and said I needed a size 30, that would be fine. I guess I got suspicious of them when they told me I needed extra length before they even measured me. (They never measured hollow to hem, btw) My fiance is 4 inches shorter than me, so I definitely will not be wearing heels. I tried on three Allure gowns in my wedding flats, and all three of them were the right length, even with a crinoline.
There’s an Allure trunk show at another salon in a few weeks. I think I’ll call them when they open tomorrow.