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    pren79    10/17/09   SF Bay Area

    I recently got a wedding invitation and need to send a reply card with M______ sort of wording. This got me thinking of how I should address myself. In my personal case, I've never been married and am currently unmarried. I'm also a PhD so calling myself Dr. would avoid the decision to choose between Ms. or Miss. But since the reply card is an M________, that doesn't seem to be an option. I may be splitting hairs here but this also got me thinking of how other females would like to address themselves nowadays. So let me hear what u think.

    Correct me if I'm wrong. AFAIK, Miss applies to females who have never been married and Ms. leaves marital status ambiguous or for divorced non-married female? I read in someone's blog that he/she feels that the usage of Ms. is snooty. I'm wondering how common that perspective is. I personally likes Ms. because it's kinda unfair that there's no male counterpart of Miss. Of course, I would not want to use Ms. if it carries a snooty connotation. Or is this feminist expression too dated?

     

     
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    azula    February 27, 2010  

    I like "Ms" better than "Miss". My reasons are that first, it's shorter :-P and second, it's more 'equal', so to speak, with the unchanging "Mr". I always use "Ms", and will keep on using "Ms" after the wedding (I'm keeping my surnames as well). And after I get my PhD, I'll probably just try to go by "Dr" as much as I can :D

    I don't really see how "Ms" could be considered snooty... 

    I also wish I knew what the equivalent of "Ms" is in Spanish, which although it's my native language, I don't think I was ever taught anything aside from "Sra" ("Mrs") and "Srta" ("Miss")...

     
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    happilywaiting       Massachusetts

    I always go with Miss....I don't consider myself old enough to be a Mizz(Ms.). But eh, it's like splitting hairs to me. If people get my last name right, due to my first name & last name BOTH being "first names" then I'm pretty much all good. I despise when I get emails or letters that use my last name as my first name.....I don't call you "Smith" don't address me as "Jones"....just rude IMO.

     
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    Niki    05/31/2008  

    If I were a doctor of anything, I'd have everyone calling me by my title.  My parents...my husband...my kids.  No one would be exempt.  I would take a big black pen to that card, cross out M, and write in Dr. pren79.  And do it proudly.

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    Ms. is definitely not snooty... it is professional.  i know women of myriad marital statuses and ages who use it.  I think what you read on that person's blog is just his/her opinion, and not a common connotation.

     

    in the case of your reply card though, i would just cross out the M and write Dr.! 

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    happilywaiting       Massachusetts

    Yup! I wholeheartedley agree with Niki and FLAmy. I DON"T think it's pretentious if you're a PhD or MD to be addressed as Dr. You put in the hard work and the time, you deserve to be recognized as such.

    @Niki - I would BUY you the big black pen! :) Seriously though, people that go through ALL of that deserve to be recognized for it.

     
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    kusinera    October 10, 2009   San Francisco

    I too am unmarried and I have a Ph.D. I always use Ms. if Dr. is not an option. We have worked much too hard -- in some cases, many more years in the trenches of graduate school than medical doctors, so it always irks me that we aren't always addressed as "Dr." all the time.

    "Ms." came into use by feminists in the late 1960s because of the sexist and patriarchal practice of designating women as either married or unmarried (Miss and then Mrs.). "Ms." rejects this and recognizes that women's identities should not have to revolve around the designation of single/married. Male identities certainy don't. It really has nothing to do with age, and it certainly does not carry a snooty connotation (unless one believes that women who demand equality and respect are snooty, uppity and elitist!).

    The feminists of our mothers' generation fought so hard to really challenge patriarchy and gave us so many choices: using Ms. instead of Miss, doing whatever we want with our last names, the power to control family size, the power to control our finances and credit, and more. I'm disappointed that our generation seems to take it all for granted or think that many of their ideas are dated. Equality never goes out of style :)

    And I'm not changing my name either -- and will insist on being called Dr. for the rest of my life! I find it so offensive that men who are doctors in married couples are always Dr. and Mrs. but it's not a common practice to write Mr. and Dr.

     
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    mssushi    March 2009   Hershey, PA / Kaneohe, HI

    I've always prefered Ms. vs. Miss. I just never liked the idea of being labeled as "single" or " not single" and Ms. seems to avoid (and be mysterious) that idea.

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    attybride    9/25/10   Boston, MA

    If I had a PhD, I would definitely go by Dr!  You worked hard for that!  I just got my law degree and as often as possible I go by Atty _____ or add Esq. to the end of name.  I prefer Ms. to Miss just because it sounds more mature/professional to me.

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    RoddyBride09    September 5, 2009   Bethlehem, PA

    Once I hit my 20's I have preferred Ms. over Miss. For some reason I always felt that Miss was more for a younger female (teens, pre-teens, young girls). I say write what you feel more comfortable with!

     
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    HaleyBaley    05/29/2009  

    Hi there - I chose to do away with the M_______ line on my response cards for that and one other reason. We have a couple of MD's on our list and knowing how much went into earning the distinction, I just didn't want to offend... But more than that it just seemed impersonal. After all the customizing/labors of love that went into the invitation design, I just couldn't bring myself to have that part of the invitation not personalized... So, I had my invitation designer (sanskripts.com - she is AWESOME!) create personalized RSVP cards... Quite honestly, it was a big hit, I got so many comments how my guests had never seen that and how nice it was...

     

     
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    dorsay    August 2009  

    I'm gonna have to agree with most people and say i prefer Ms.  Miss sounds like I'm 14 or something.

     
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    Golden139    August 13, 2011   live in Texas, wedding in Michigan

    I also prefer Ms. I like its ambiguity and it's just more "appropriate" in my opinion. But in your case, you should definitely rock your Dr. status. Just bypass that little M and write in your well-earned Dr.

     
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    Mrs. DG    July 18, 2009   Seattle/Tahoe

    I'm supposed to go by Dr. and if people call me that, it's fine... but I'm also fine with Ms.  Half the time I rocking jeans and a hoodie, and the title just seems inappropriate.  But I agree with the Ms. crowd.  No reason my designation should change just because I get married.

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    ejs4y8    June 20, 2009  

    Miss sounds like a little girl thing. Like Miss Moppett =]

    I'd write Dr. on there though. Well earned. I made a very specific point of finding out which of my guests have PhD's and which have medical or dentist degrees because of this =]

     
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    tessabella76    September 12, 2009   Ohio

    Usually, if I'm addressing cards, if the female is under 18 I'll put Miss. If she's over 18 I'll do Ms. IMO, Miss is for young girls/women and Ms. seems a little more independent/experienced to me. Silly reasoning but then my mind works in weird ways.Miss or Ms. :  wedding invitation etiquette 1 Icon Wink

     
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    Ms is appropriate for any adult female, regardless of marital status-- it is the female equivalent of Mr. Mrs signifies that you are married and Miss signifies that you are unmarried. I prefer to use Ms. especially in a business context, because my marital status should be irrelevant.

    I believe in the UK and other English-speaking countries, Ms hasn't caught on as much and people receive their bank statements and other legal documents addressed to Miss XY or Mrs AB.

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    MoSnow    9/6/09   Colorado - Wyoming

    I agree with the majority of posters, in that Miss is for youngins' and Ms. is better for ambiguousness and women. I go by Ms. right now, if it comes up at all.

     
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    katrinab    July 11, 2009   Boston, MA

    I always prefer "Ms". It's the feminist in me--why should my name declare whether I am single or married when men never even have that question in their name? I am a "Ms" now (single) and plan to continue as "Ms" when married.

    However that being said, I don't go out of my way to correct people or whatever. It's just how I would right my name on forms or identify as how I would like to be referred.

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    penguin    June 7, 2008   Berkeley, Ca

    Funny enough, when I was in college, I strongly preferred the "Ms." for exactly what you said... ambiguity (who's business is it whether I'm married or not!). As I got older (and was still unmarried), I preferred "Miss" because I'd (still am) been having a rough time getting older, and thought Miss sounded... well, young.  Also, I feel like America's Next Top Model may or may not had a small part in this... Everyone calls Tyra "Miss Tyra", and I thought it was so bold of her to just embrace her "Miss-ness"... and I followed along.  Silly, but I'm talking truth here! :)

    When I think "Miss" I think "young", and as I approach my 30s, I'm all about young!  I'm married now, and have now reverted to Ms. (Since I didn't take my husband's last name, and for some reason I feel like using Mrs. Cathy Maidenname sounds a bit creepy, like I married back into my family).

     
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    bellenga    July 31, 2010   Georgia

    Here is a different perspective.  1) I am divorced 2)I'm independent and have some feminist qualities but not a total feminist.

    I found that AFTER I divorced and used Ms., that people I'd meet would still ASSUME I was married.  It SOUNDS almost the same.  Now Miss? That DOESN'T sound the same.

    After a few years of being single and lovin' it, I decided to date again.  When I did date, I found that guys were wary and always double checked that I was single.  I had one guy I dated, (after first date we emailed back and forth a bit and in my siggie line I had Ms. Belle in Georga, and then my credentials and dept. below it ) really ask me "are you 100 percent divorced?"  And then there are those who STILL CALL YOU MRS. even though you're no longer married.

    thus, I'm COMPLETELY FINE with Miss.  Yes, I am a miss again.  I may not be getting chronologically younger, but when I became single I got sick of the AMBIGUITY.  I wanted to let people know, I am NOT a Mrs.  I AM 100 percent ok to date, I am me!

     

     
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    GaBGal    September 25, 2010  

    Interesting topic here!

    I'm indifferent I guess. I don't mind if people say Miss or Ms. I think I put Ms. down on my voter's registration last week though (just moved).

    As for the Dr. part, I think that it comes off pretentious sometimes. I know it is arguable that a lot of work goes into it and you have earned the right to be called Dr., but I got irked when people get territorial of the title. HOWEVER, in this instance I would cross out the M. and write out Dr. Why? Because if the couple has seating/escort cars, favor tags, etc., they need the correct spelling and title of your name. You are a Dr., that is what should be on these elements (the response card is generically printed so its not like they snubbed you with the M.)

     
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    maryjane    September 9, 2009   Grand Forks, ND

    Heh, I'd totally just write "Dr." in the blank. :D

     
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    penguin    June 7, 2008   Berkeley, Ca

    I agree with GaBgal and Mary Jane on this one, in your instance.  Correct titles are correct titles, and you're a Dr.!

     
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    bluedec       Chicago

    On a similar note, if married, but keeping your last name (S), are you Ms. S?

     

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