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    bunnylovesbear    February 19, 2011   north of Boston, MA

    What's the difference?  Which should I use to address my invitations for single female guests?

     

     
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    nonimouse12    July 24, 2010  

    If they are kids, I'd use Miss. Over 18, I'd go with Ms. Miss technically isn't incorrect for adult women, but being 30 and unmarried, I'd be annoyed at Miss and much prefer Ms.

     
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    june42011    January 29, 2012   NORTH DAKOTA

    Ms. is considered more professional, Miss is for a younger individual.

     
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    monitajb    July 17, 2010   Sacramento

    The difference is that Miss refers exclusively to unmarried women, while Ms. is marriage neutral. That means Ms. can be used for married and unmarried women.

    I prefer Ms. to both Miss and Mrs. myself, but I think nonimouse12's advice is sound.

     
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    HisButtercup    August 13, 2011  

    I agree; I think that Ms. is much more adult and respectful.

     
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    Melissabegins    December 12, 2009  

    I don't think anyone older than 18 (to the day) should be referred to as Miss. People in the south use Miss all the time with first names and it makes my skin crawl, like it does when adults use the word Daddy.

     
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    Moose1209       Nashville, TN

    Before I was married I always checked "Miss" when I had to fill out forms.  I personally just don't like the ambiguity of  "Ms." but that's a personal preference and I married at 25 so I was always pretty young.  I assume most people would probably prefer "Ms." unless they are quite young.

     
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    punky_brewster    July 31, 2010   Victoria, BC

    I agree with MelissaBegins!

    I took some class after high school that was all about letters/adressing etc. (why I took this, who knows!). Anywho, it says any woman over the age of 18 who is unmarried should be adresses as Ms. Miss is for teenagers/children.

     
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    vaness13181    July 31, 2011   Chicago, IL

    I would use Ms.  It's a title for an unmarried or married woman (I have a friend who is married, but did not take her husbands name, so I'll  use Ms. to address her invitation).  Miss is usually for young ladies, and Ms. for adults.  I've preferred Ms. since I was about 18.  Plus, I plan to use Miss and Master for the children we'll be inviting to the wedding.  Hope that helps.  If you do a quick internet search I'm sure you'll get a lot of hits.

     
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    Vitsippa    October 10, 2010  

    I found this article informative, even though it's written for a business setting in mind:

    http://womeninbusiness.about.com/od/businessintroductionrules/a/whenusemissms.htm

     
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    skibobrown    July 31, 2010   CA (wedding in Bar Harbor, ME)

    This was the most difficult part of addressing for me!  I generally used "Miss" for unmarried women, and "Mrs." for married women.  However, my parents and some of their friends are serious hippies, so they far prefer "Ms." to "Mrs."  (They don't like being identified by their marital status.)  On that count, I took it on a case-by-case basis.  I also used "Ms." for unmarried women in their 40's or older...

     
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    MrsH1010       Chicago, IL

    I was curious about this question too...my FMIL being never married I wanted to call her Miss but she prefered Ms. I thought Ms was for women who had been married but were not currently or engaged but that cleared that up...thanks bees!

     
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    bunnylovesbear    February 19, 2011   north of Boston, MA

    Thank you for all the responses.  That was the rule I was going by, but I just wanted to get some other opinions.  Thank you!!

     
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    Melissabegins    December 12, 2009  

    I kind of prefer to be called Ms. now that i'm married, too. I don't like that men can just be Mr. and women must be titled based on their marital status. It seems like such an outdated concept.

     
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    vistagirl    march , 2010   Oregon

    I looked it up and found something that said miss for under 25 and my husbands sister was all in a tizzy that her invitation sadi miss. She is 21.

     
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    monitajb    July 17, 2010   Sacramento

    @ Melissabegins: my thoughts exactly.

     

     
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    CHK    July 10, 2010   Northern Idaho

    I've used Miss for any female who's still in college (like my 21 year old cousin) and Ms. for any woman out of college, or otherwise a bit more mature. Post ettiquite? Probably not, but it worked for me!

    I'll be keeping my name once we're married, and will probably go by Ms.

     
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    casteel_dream    March 19, 2011  

    I like the sound of Ms, it just sounds kind of vibrant in a way then just Miss. Say Ms outloud vs Miss

     
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    2dBride    October 6, 2009   Washington, DC.

    "Ms." has always made a lot of sense to me, because I grew up with all the old (pre-Ms.) etiquette rules, and know what a mess they were.  For example, imagine Sally Smith.  She's never been married, so she is Miss Sally Smith.  She then marries John Jones.  Here are the "wonderful" combinations that can produce:

    1. She retains her birth surname.  She continues to be Miss Sally Smith, even though married.
    2. She changes her surname on marriage.  She is Mrs. John Jones.  There is no correct way to use her title and her first name.  Using Mrs. Sally Jones would be insulting, because it would imply she was divorced and at fault in the divorce (see 3, below).
    3. She gets divorced, but keeps his last name.  If she is at fault in the divorce, she becomes Mrs. Sally Jones or Mrs. Smith Jones.  If he is at fault in the divorce, she remains Mrs. John Jones.
    4. She gets divorced, and resumes her birth name.  She is back to Miss Sally Smith.
    5. She is widowed.  Unless she remarries, she will continue to be known forever as Mrs. John Jones.  Yes, she is known by the name of a man who may have died decades before, and still is not known by her own first name.

    So, in order to know how to address her, you need to know not only whether she is married, but what her husband's first name is or was, whether she has ever been married, whether she is divorced (and if so, whether she was at fault in the divorce), or whether she is widowed.

    Honestly, we have one title for adult men, regardless of their marital status.  Why should the situation be different for adult women?

     
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    Firie    September 21, 2012   Australia

    to go against the norm, I am 29, currently engaged and have never been married and i HATE HATE HATE being called Ms.

    I prefer Miss.  Ms makes me feel like a dried up old spinster with 17 cats.  I hated it when I set up my current bank accounts as the bank does not have a Miss box. Its Ms or Mrs and thats it.  So everytime I get mail from them it irritates me that it says Ms.

    That said, if I was to get something like an inviatation or something addressed to Ms in that sort of setting I wouldn't even think twice about it.....I guess I'm strange that way!!

     

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