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Moderation Proposal

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  • poll: Do you think that we need to return to the days of a 'lil more strict moderation?
    Nah, I love the Wild West! : (54 votes)
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    Maybe... : (39 votes)
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    Yes, please, thank you. : (91 votes)
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    Elephants. : (30 votes)
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    ILikePink    June 9, 2012   Minneapolis, MN

    So awhile ago, we voted to have a more lax system of moderation, in favor of a more open community here at The 'Bee. I was one of the people that voted for this! I thought great, we all won't have to be so sugar coated!

    But egad ladies, we have really been showing our true colors lately! It's been like a cat fight in some threads!

    Moderation Proposal :  wedding Cat Fight Club

    I feel like maybe we can reopen the discussion about how we feel about moderation. I still think Weddingbee should be an open place. But I think it would be awesome if we could have some sort of "democratic moderation". Like, an option to flag a thread, as an agreed upon was of shutting down a thread.

    I remember the first time a thread got out of control after the new moderation guidelines and MrBee was like, sorry ladies, you asked for hands off. I think that maybe we should reconsider because after all,

    Moderation Proposal :  wedding HatersGonnaHatePanda

    And we don't want the Bee to turn into you know... The-Place-That-Shall-Not-Be-Named.

     
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    ILikePink    June 9, 2012   Minneapolis, MN

    Honestly, I will use any reason to put up some LOLCATS on the interwebs.

     
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    Miss Tattoo    September 15, 2012   Pittsburgh, PA

    Moderation is required in any community. I don't see why anyone would want the adm's to just sit back and let hell break loose. When there are no set rules in place, folks don't know what to do.

    I think mods should only step in when bees start to attack each other or if something is really offensive like someone starting a racist topic or someone being degrading.

     

    ETA: I'm sorry! I had to vote elephants!

     
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    PrairieGirl    August 26, 2011   Winnipeg, Canada

    I'm in favour of some moderation. Some of these threads get out of control and its discouraging.

     
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    Cheeks11    April 8, 2011   Dallas, TX

    I agree. I stepped back from WB for a few days for that very reason. Things seemed to be getting a little out of control and it wasn't fun anymore.

     
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    JennyW1    February 19, 2011  

    I agree with Miss Tattoo--moderation concerning personal attacks and the like.

    BUT I have to say that I do consider this a nice, intelligent site and I'm happy to post on it as is. I've rarely seen anyone be outright rude on it. That said, I have seen some heated discussions and I like that. I think it's fine for people to be passionate about their different points of view so long as they can express them in a cogent way. I'd hate to see things become TOO lilly-fragile.

     
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    Statutory Grape    March 2014  

    I am totally in favor. I've seen some extreme rudeness and cattiness; despite flagging posts for blatantly violating the CoC, I haven't seen anything done about it. Every day, I see threads that remind me more and more of, well, you know. And it makes me sad, as well as just plain pisses me off. I joined the Bee to get away from that, and now there are a select few people who are just bringing the childishness and  snarkiness here.

     
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    smyley    May 2010  

    I don't think adults need their hands slapped to behave, and it has become refreshing to see how well some threads work them selves out. The few times some of the loonies got out of hand and threads were closed were mostly brought on by the OP's themselves anyway.

    I like it as it is now. I personally hate when someone jumps in and hands out those little reminders about being nice.

     
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    blondeeebuckeye    February 2011   Austin, TX

    i guess i feel a little bit differently than most posters, but i don't necessarily believe more moderation is a good thing.


    i think more moderation may be needed when posts attack others, spew hate and are irrelevant to the topic---these things DO happen a lot on weddingbee.



    if you don't like the topic, don't respond or don't read it. don't respond to posters who are spewing hate--flag them and ignore them. i would hate to see the "controversial threads" go away because people can't tolerate a heated discussion.

    i think more effort to educate members on what types of posts to flag would be a better option.

     
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    kirabee       Venice, CA

    Just to clarify, @ILikePink is right, there was a decision made on this, but I believe the is still "No personal attacks" meaning, a post will be deleted if and only if a poster directly attacks another member. But comments directed toward a group of people are still technically allowed, and this is where the "debates" usually arise.

    Personally, I think it's pretty clear when I line has been crossed, and whether or not it's a "personal" attack, attacks of any kind should not be allowed. Petty fights about opinions on all things wedding-related are obnoxious but unfortunately it's impossible to moderate all of them.

     
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    Statutory Grape    March 2014  

    @blondeeebuckeye: Flagging doesn't seem to do a whole lot, though. I was attacked in one of my own threads (an emotional vent, no less) a while ago and it took longer than I would have liked for it to finally be closed. And even then, there was only a slap on the wrist for some truly horrible things that were said to and about me.

     
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    chelseamorning    November 1, 2008   Washington, DC/Atlanta

    FYI, everyone has the option to flag a post. At the bottom right corner of every post there should be a link that says "Flag," and if you click it, a box will pop up where you can type in why you're flagging. If you see a comment that you think violates Weddingbee's posting guidelines, please do flag it. You can even flag a post for a mundane reason, such as if you accidentally double-posted.

    The hostess team does keep an eye on things, and we do respond when the community says things are getting out of control. Some of the heated threads in days of late have been closed to further comments because they violated our policy against personal attacks, and the posts that are specifically in violation within those threads get deleted as well. But we try to respect the wishes of the community as much as possible, so make your wishes known! Thanks to ILikePink for starting this conversation.

     
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    CorgiTales    February 1, 2011  

    I vote for more lolcats on the hive.... heh. 

    Seriously though... I dunno. I was cool when there was more moderation, it didn't bug me much because I wasn't the one getting scolded :)

    But it doesn't bother me much now either. Like 1 of every 100 threads spirals downward into crazytown and I either ignore it or watch with amusement. No one HAS to get involved in the drama. And I rather like when someone turns a thread about (honestly can't even remember) into a thread about ponies and rainbows and jeffrey dahmer. I feel like because most people on the hive are nice we pretty much self moderate enough. 

    I guess one thing I *would* say though is that along with the lowered moderation (and thus increase in annoying trolly behavior), we also have to accept more self-moderation from hive members. I.e. if someone is being disruptive and someone else tells them to go away... I don't see a problem with that. On some threads I've seen some historically nice hive member tell a trolly member to get off the boards and someone else scold them for "running people off" or whatever. If its going to be the wild wild west we do need to accept that people are going to arm themselves :)

     
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    blondeeebuckeye    February 2011   Austin, TX

    @Statutory Grape: well, based on what you said, that makes me wonder what good more moderation would even do. if addressing flagged posts takes forever, it might take a lot of time for "more" moderation.

    i guess my biggest issue with more moderation is that things can be so subjective. if the mods don't like the thread, they could close it or delete it just "because". unless it spews hate, attacks others, or the posts are irrelevant and the OP asks for it to be closed, i don't think the mods should be more involved.

    p.s....i don't know why i have such an opinion on this, considering i rarely get invovled in heated threads. i guess you never know what topic might push your buttons! :)

    ETA: @statuatorygrape--btw, if people personally attacked you, i DO think a mod should have stepped in sooner. i think personal attacks and spewing hate are two areas that moderation SHOULD be heightened.

     
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    Statutory Grape    March 2014  

    What bothers me the most is that a few members are repeatedly catty and disrespectful, but nothing is done about it. I think something that would be helpful is that if someone comes into your thread and insults/attacks you, even if it doesn't directly violate the code of conduct, you should be able to ask them to leave--and flag the post (and have something done about it) if they refuse or get snotty. I've abandoned perfectly good threads just because a few people who seem to get a kick out of hating refuse to leave.

     
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    hilsy85    September 2010  

    It seems like a lot of the threads that have become heated lately are about hot button issues/issues that strike a chord in a lot of readers. I think it's normal for those to get under people's skin...I would rather have that than a whole bunch of posting that's so superficially nice it doesn't even bring up a reaction (good or bad) in me. I think we all need to remember that this is an internet posting board, and we all have the ability to step back and take a breath, or even better, re read our comments before we hit post and see if we're really addressing the issue/post topic or if we're just using it as an opportunity to vent against someone/something.

     
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    missfireslayer    September 24, 2010   Northern Colorado

    There is a difference between being passionate about something and being a jerk. Some people can't seem to figure that out.

     
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    bakerella    September 11, 2010   Toronto, ON

    @hilsy85: I wish I had a "like" button for your post :)

    I agree completely. When you have hot button topics, there's going to be debate and varying view points. There's no way some of the threads that have been started are going to come to a close with everyone in agreement and sunshine and kittens dancing around. I think "agree to disagree" is a good stance to take at times. Trying to force someone into seeing (and believing) your point of view isn't going to happen. I also think we're all grown ups and should use some self moderation at times like Hilsy mentioned. Re-read your post before hitting submit. If someone wrote what you just did, would you be personally offended? Could you possibly rephrase what you've just written? A healthy debate is a great thing, but understand that it's a debate, the point is to explain differing opinions, not to force everyone to agree with you.

     
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    Personal attacks are something that I think should be moderated.  I'm not sure what personal attacks could really add to a discussion and usually lead to a thread going crazy.  It's one thing to disagree with someone but when you attack someone (like repeatedly calling them a troll just because they have a different idea) it just adds nothing and gets everyone off topic.

     
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    Minutiae    May 2011  

    The vast majority of members here don't need moderation. Whatever is asked of them, they'll be OK with it. Stricter moderation doesn't affect most of us, it only affects the trolls/dummies. For those who can't play nice, I'd be happy to see stricter moderation of community policy/behavior.

    There have been multiple threads recently where the personal attacks/snarkiness rule was obviously being ignored, and the threads continued for longer than I was comfortable with. That kind of hands-off could send the WB boards into a swift downward spiral of nastiness. While I ignore the nasty threads and comments, they get harder to ignore when more and more of them crop up. All the crap rises to the top of the forums because members keep feeding those bad threads...I'd rather kill them early before they multiply. So I have interesting convesations to reply to again. :P

    Then again, why don't we ban repeat offenders instead of closing threads? (An honest question for the mods/admin)

     
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    bells    June 26, 2011  

    @hilsy85: 100% agree

     
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    Statutory Grape    March 2014  

    @Minutiae: My thoughts, exactly. Maybe a "three strikes and you're out" policy?

     
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    bRooklynRocks      

    Well, I don't know how I feel about moderation...more moderation. I guess maybe for me, I am not 'contentious' enough. I don't post 'hot button' threads, I don't troll, I come, I read, I copy and paste pics that inspire me, I bounce. Once in a while I will post and that's it. I love the drama threads though. They make the day go faster for me. I would say that I do read stuff that *could* hurt me if it were directed to  me BUT it's the interwebs, you know? I guess all I'm saying is that we are all adults here and should conduct ourselves accordingly. Anyhow, back to the reason why this is up in the first place, what's up with Mr. Coffee? :(

     
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    mrbee    March 5, 2005   New York City, New York

    The problem is when someone repeatedly leaves nasty comments that are dramariffic but not actually personal attacks.  Then other people react to the dramariffic comments, and that's when it spirals out of control.

    The actual comments themselves don't violate our policies... when they do, we delete them.

    I'd be open to a warning/banning members who repeatedly antagonize others (without actually making a personal attack) rather than closing threads... how exactly would you guys propose we do that?

     
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    ktisthatbees    May 1, 2011   Atlanta GA/Charleston SC

    @bakerella: well said.

    I think that, for the most part, we all act like mature adults on the boards and do a good job of expressing our opinions without trying to impose them on others. The select few who choose to be snarky and attack others are in turn fed by others responding to their unsavory comments. It is usually best to ignore them. I think a little more moderation would be good though, repeat offenders should not be allowed to continue to post. It is unfair to the rest of the members who are here to be in a positive environment.

     
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    hilsy85    September 2010  

    @bakerella: right back at ya! Smile

    @Minutiae: when those threads keep coming up, it's because members keep posting on them. That either means that they're enjoying the drama or they still have more to say. Either way, someone doesn't want the conversation to be over. As frustrating as it is to see the thread keep coming up, I don't think the answer is to just close it. People can choose not to post if they don't want to--if they do want to post then they should be able to (as long as it's not a personal attack, of course). They should just perhaps use a little more self moderation in their posting, as bakerella said.

     
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    Statutory Grape    March 2014  

    @mrbee: I think it would be as simple as adding something to the code of conduct about not antagonizing others or being nasty. I like that idea too, though.

     
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    ktisthatbees    May 1, 2011   Atlanta GA/Charleston SC

    @mrbee: perhaps if a user's comments have been flagged a certain number of times? Not sure if you guys can even keep track of that, but it might be a fair way to moniter. Then again, that would open up the idea that people could repeatedly flag someone just to get them kicked off. Tough question to answer Mr. Bee, perhaps no easy solution, but at least we are making the issue known right? That's a start

     
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    CorgiTales    February 1, 2011  

    @mrbee: I don't know how the rest of the hive would feel about this... but imo it could just be solely up to yours/the moderator's discretion. You know the famous supreme court decision about pornography vs. art? "I don't know how to define it, but I know it when I see it." I think that making hard and fast rules is just not easy when you're talking about things like this but realistically people should be able to determine whether or not they're being unnecessarily antagonistic (particularly if they get a warning before they get the boot). This is an online forum, its not a country with a bill of rights. We are all here at your invitation and I'd have no issue with the powers at bee (lol, pun intended) just using their discretion to warn/boot people who are trolly. 

     
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    Statutory Grape    March 2014  

    @ktisthatbees: I think having a legitimate reason for flagging the user's comments--quality, in a sense, not quantity--would work the best. If a user's comments have been flagged for no reason, the number could be thrown out. However, if the user's comments have been inflammatory/in direct violation of the terms, that would be a point against them, and so on.

     
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    Minutiae    May 2011  

    @Statutory Grape: OK, nerd admission...I've been an admin on forums before. I like the two strikes rule. First strike is to make sure you're not a complete dummy and actually read the rules/are capable of following them. Second strike to prove you're a dummy. :P

    @hilsy85: The "someones" that don't want the conversation to be over are usually the trolls, who aren't going to self-moderate, who are invariably going to spoil those contentious threads. Like I said, most of WB doesn't need the moderation, it's only that charming handful that the hive can do without. Closing threads might not be the best answer, but it's better than letting some of those "debates" drag on. You can always start a new thread, right?

    ETA@mrbee: It would be great if there was a way of keeping track of the drama llamas, but I have no idea if you already have something like that. I think I'd pay more attention to what I was posting if you sent me a warning message (if I theoretically needed a warning, haha Innocent). If I didn't change my ways...we'll, that's not a good sign.

     
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    smyley    May 2010  

    And who gets to decide? The person who doesn't like the comment or the one who it was directed to or about? How objective can that possibly be?

    I think sometimes people are just way too sensitive and what may bother one person doesn't necessarily bother someone else or they find it amusing and move on.  Many times people jump in without reading the whole thread and respond to things that have been resolved or are no longer relevant.

     
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    hilsy85    September 2010  

    @Minutiae: I don't know, I have to disagree with you...I feel like a lot of the heated threads do not have trolls on them, they have wedding bee members who get very worked up and perhaps don't read before they post. I don't want to get off topic here, I guess my point is that I think it's unfortunate that posters would need to have posts closed for them/have posters banned because they themselves can't self moderate and prevent themselves from posting on a thread that is obviously not going anywhere good.

     

     
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    Statutory Grape    March 2014  

    @smyley: Anyone could flag, but Mr. Bee (or other mods) would ultimately decide. It's objective in the sense that the mods would get the final say; they'd probably have no personal stake in the threads.

    There have been a LOT of pointless posts lately that are just inflammatory for the sake of being rude and unkind. It's not a matter of being "too sensitive"; it's a matter of choosing to be horrible to others for the sake of doing it.

     
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    missfireslayer    September 24, 2010   Northern Colorado

    @Statutory Grape: There have been a LOT of pointless posts lately that are just inflammatory for the sake of being rude and unkind. It's not a matter of being "too sensitive"; it's a matter of choosing to be horrible to others for the sake of doing it.

    100% agreed!!

     

     
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    bakerella    September 11, 2010   Toronto, ON

    @mrbee: I have to wonder along the lines of what the other Bees have said. What if a member of the Hive who has contributed positively in numerous threads gets hot button about a few topics? How would you strike the balance between someone who has a lack of self moderation on "politcal" topics but loves talking about DIY projects for instance? This is a tough one.

     
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    Statutory Grape    March 2014  

    @hilsy85: A lot of the heated threads seem to have 2-3 posters in common who've just been stirring up a ton of trouble lately...they're obviously not self-moderating, so something should be done, imo.

     
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    missfireslayer    September 24, 2010   Northern Colorado

    @Statutory Grape: I know EXACTLY who you are talking about. And funny they haven't made face in a thread about their behaviors, which are obviously hurtful to others.

     
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    ktisthatbees    May 1, 2011   Atlanta GA/Charleston SC

    @Statutory Grape: yeah good point. I guess that would only work though if admin had the time/resource to keep up with which are legitimate flags, which ones can be thrown out etc. Could potentially be incredibly time consuming for the admins. But I agree that flagging in some form or another is the best way to moniter.

     
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    Mrs.KMM    July 17, 2010   Atlanta, GA (wedding in Indianapolis, IN)

    I honestly don't think the Bee needs more moderation (outside of the continued moderation of true personal attacks).  I usually really enjoy the heated posts because I'm all for a good debate.  We're all grown women here and need to understand that everyone has different opinions, that it's perfectly fine to express / discuss / debate those different opinions, and that it isn't a personal attack when someone disagrees with you.

    I think if moderation is tightened, we run the risk of people no longer being "real".  I hate superficial niceness and it really doesn't help anyone.  I (and I think most other Bees) post threads because we truely want other people's opinions.  People can be honest without attacking and I think the members already do a good job of self-moderating those posts where someone's honesty crosses the line a bit.

     
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