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    Ms. St. Louis    September 8, 2011   Dayton, Ohio

    *Sigh*

    Hey, bees. I am writing today with a heavy heart. This post is going to be long and probably sad in parts, so bare with me.

    My mom is dramatic. When I say dramatic, I mean DRAMATIC. She thrives on negativity and pessimism. She also believes if she does nice things for people, she should be able to control them, or at the very least, she should be able to hold it over their heads for years on end. It’s a rarity that she does kind things without expecting “glory” in return. All that being sad, I love my mother. Very much. She is the only mom I will ever have and I wholeheartedly realize this.

    We have always bumped heads. We went a period in high school (after I finally moved in with my dad my senior year) where we didn’t talk for 6 months. She is still VERY bitter about me moving in with him and her missing a homecoming because of it, and reminds me that it was my fault every time I hurt her feelings. After a disagreement at a bridal expo in August (She committed to paying for the wedding flowers, but backed out because she said she wanted to pay for my niece and nephews’ outfits instead) she changed her phone number so I couldn’t contact her. I sent her an e-mail that said this: “Just wanted you to know I love you.” Her response was a long drawn out e-mail about how I don’t love her, how I only want her for her money, and how I am a bridezilla who no one likes. Okay, then. That settles that. After peacefully responding and staying super calm (with the help of my work mom talking me through the e-mails) she finally go un-mad and decided to meet me for dinner to talk wedding stuff. Near the end of dinner—she got up and walked out. She was upset because I explained I wanted more than just her and I to shop for my dress. This is part of the e-mail I received the next day: “I want you to think about your dog--Duchess. You are in essence her mother. When she has her first litter of puppies (assuming you are going to do that) who do you want there?  Jonathon, Courtney, Megan? No--you want to be there. You are the MOTHER. You are my ONLY daughter. This is the only time I am EVER going to be able to do this. Don’t you see how selfish you are?” (Jonathon is my older brother and Man of Honor, Courtney and Megan are friends of mine) She completely acted as if I told her she wasn’t invited to dress shop with us! Which I NEVER did—I just explained that I wanted the other people in my life that are important to me to be there! I just don’t see why that’s wrong…After a response explaining that the differences between MY situation, and my chocolate lab’s situation, and that I WANT her to dress shop with us, she stopped responding. In almost every e-mail, she asks me to make a decision and tell her what I want. (Practically BEGGING me to tell her I don’t want her at the wedding, or in my life, or w/e.) She has told me, on more occasions that I can count anymore, that she doesn’t want to be a part of my life, etc. etc. She always ends up coming back, so I never worry. But, it’s exhausting. After all of this, she sent me an e-mail that said “Tell (FH) happy birthday for me and I will be sending his gift via mail. Thanks.” Oh, and I still don’t have her phone number.

    I want my mother to be a part of my special day. I truly do. I love her. But I cannot take the abuse and drama anymore. My older siblings know how she is, but have somehow managed to deal with her. My work mom seems to think I sort of get it worse because I am her only daughter (of six children). I just don’t know what to do anymore. If she is involved, I am going to deal with constant drama and negativity for the next year. If she isn’t involved, I will deal with constant drama and negativity on the day of my wedding. What do I do?!

    I guess I should mention that FH’s mom isn’t much better. She is a good mom to her kids, but she isn’t fond of her only son and oldest child marrying. She has always controlled him as well and relied on him to be a father to his younger sisters, and now he has chosen to have a family with me—so she makes it very evident that she doesn’t approve. The younger sisters follow suit with their mom…one has still yet to speak to us or congratulate us on the engagement, and we’ve been engaged six months. The other sister is starting to warm up, and we are finally starting to form a good friendship.

    I feel like a pretty awful person. I just want to make everyone happy…while not sacrificing my values or my sanity.

     
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    AshleyB    February 11, 2012   so cal

    good luck girl, weddings bring all the drama out big time. Just sit back relax and try to stay calm.

     
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    Ms. St. Louis    September 8, 2011   Dayton, Ohio

    Thanks, girl! Just trying to figure out what to do about her..

     
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    MissHelen    November 20, 2010   California

    You're right, this is abusive behavior and it needs to stop.

    Is there a third party that can mediate or advocate on your behalf?

     
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    drakela2    October 22, 2011  

    ((((HUGS)))) I really feel for you.  I don't have a lot of advice- she seems VERY manipulative by, in essence, asking you to break off the relationship.  I would try to avoid contact with her as much as you can and leave the decision of her attendance up to her.

    What a crappy way to have to feel during one of the happiest times of your life! Just know that you're marrying a great guy and you two will create a family life with much more stability and love going forward.

     
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    Aisling10    June 23, 2012  

    I have expereinced similar issues in the past.  It sounds like reasoning with her is not working.  I suggest you carry on planning your wedding the way you want and include those (your brother and friends) who love you and care about you no matter who will be upset by this.  Respond to her only when you have to and only include her in as much as is necessary for her to "feel included" but I absolutely don't think you need to cater to her in any way.  I'm not saying you have to cut her out of your life, but you do what you need to do because she is going to be unreasonable no matter what you do.  So why worry about it? 

     
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    misssydneyj    April 2, 2012   California

    Twin! lol

    I know your situation is double the trouble because of your FH's mom - mine is the same way, but she's really nice. My FH practically raised his younger sibs too, but thank goodness FMIL isn't trying to control him.

    I definitely recommend reading "Toxic Parents: Overcoming Their Hurtful Legacy". I read that book in 3 days - it's that good. It makes you really think about how your mom's ways impact you as an adult. Read it and then take some time to think. If you need to cut your mom out of the planning, then do it. I did, and so far it has been stress free on that side. I'm here for you if you need to talk!

     
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    2PeasinaPod       Philadelphia

    Oh sweetie...can I ask if our mothers were separated at birth?

    My mom is the EXACT same way that your mom is. She's very manipulative and controlling. I'm her only girl as well (I have an older and a younger brother), and she thrives on drama. I'm at the point now where I just don't like talking with her anymore. I love her to death, b/c when she's in a good mood, she's a great person to be around, but when she gets on one of her tantrums, she will twist every word you say into something that you're doing to her. My year of wedding planning and my wedding day was a complete nightmare. All of it. It's half the reason why I joined this site when I did....b/c I wanted to help other brides who had to deal with mothers like mine and just needed support.

    The thing is, nothing that you do is going to be good enough for her. She's always going to find something wrong or something to complain about. My mom told me that at my shower, I didn't thank people in the right ways. And that everything I got from my husband's side of the family, I fell all over myself thanking them for it. But everything I got from her or my side of the family, I didn't put enough enthusiasm into my thank yous. Are you f-ing kidding me? She didn't talk to me for weeks and threatened not to come to the wedding b/c my bridesmaids were packing up my stuff at my shower too early. She didn't get to see anything that I got. She sat in front of me judging me for 3 hours...enough to know that I didn't say thank you the right way, but she didn't see a thing that I got. Didn't talk to me for WEEKS after this. I hear constantly how much money she gave me for my wedding and how much she spent. If it were up to me, I would've thrown her money back in her face and had my own wedding with the amount of people I wanted there rather than inviting 400 people...300 of them being her guests.

    So, any time you need to vent, please...feel free to PM me. Reasoning with her will definitely not work. I know it's hard to cut her off b/c she is your mom, but don't give into what she's trying to do to you. If she won't give you her phone number, then stop asking for it. Make it abundantly clear that you'll always welcome her in your life, and if she ever stops talking to you...it's her own decision, not yours. You've asked for her phone number, and she refuses to give it to you. There isn't much more you're able to do.

     
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    Ms. St. Louis    September 8, 2011   Dayton, Ohio

    @MissHelen: Not really, unless we go to counseling which...depending on her mood, may or may not be possible. My siblings know that if they say anything defending me that my mom will stop speaking to them, too. They all have little ones, so they don't want/need the drama that our mom brings. Most of them try to keep their distance from her.

    @drakela2: I have heard that "manipulative" word a lot when talking to work friends about the situation. My general decision, thus far, has been to do exactly what you're suggesting. I suppose I just feel guilty in a way...and I just don't know why I feel like that!

    @Aisling10: You're right. My work mom tells me constantly to stop hoping my mom is going to wake up one day and change into the wonderful, caring mom I've always wanted her to be. Nothing I can do is going to make her happy...I guess it's just about coping with that, now.

    @misssydneyj: I have been waiting for a special book to come along! Thanks so much for suggesting that one. Be expecting a message as soon as I finish it :) lol. I am sorry that we have to be "twins" in this but i am super happy that someone else understands where I am coming. It seems all my friends have great moms, or at least sane ones, which makes it even harder...

     
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    Ms. St. Louis    September 8, 2011   Dayton, Ohio

    @2PeasinaPod: Oh my word. Sounds like my mom to the "T"! My mom is the same way, when she is in a good mood she is truly a great person. and I love her SO much. But sadly the tantrums and pessimism are around a lot more often than the positivity. Everything is always about her in some way...she is paranoid about everything. If someone is whispering in the kitchen at a family event, she automatically gets upset because she thinks people are talking about her. If any one of her kids are fighting, she will get in the middle of it and side with whichever one hasn't hurt her recently...mostly to get back at whichever child ticked her off in the recent past. She's vindictive..and scary! My second oldest brother hasn't talked to her in 15 years because of this, and my 4th oldest hasn't talked to her in about 7-8 months due to similar problems.

    I have never ever asked for her phone number, because I know the games she plays. She WANTED me to be hurt by this...it had nothing to do with the fact that she didn't want me to contact her...because if God forbid I had ignored her e-mails, she would have gone nuts! She just wanted me to be hurt by the fact that she has "cut me off" somehow. It's a control thing--she thinks she is controlling the relationship/situation by making it impossible for me to contact her...does that make sense? I'm just guessing there but that's what I feel like.

    I don't want to look back in ten years sad because my wedding was a nightmare. I want it to be so wonderful and perfect and about my FH and me. But how do I get there with such a horrendous mother? If I don't invite her, she will show up anyway. There's no way around that.

     
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    misssydneyj    April 2, 2012   California

    @Ms. St. Louis: I know exactly what you mean. My FMIL has been a blessing to me though; his family has supported me more than my own mother. I've just adopted "moms" along the way. Make friends with older ladies, they love to help! My MOH has a crazy mom too, so we always vent to each other.

     
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    Ms. St. Louis    September 8, 2011   Dayton, Ohio

    @misssydneyj: YES! I LOVE my adopted mom(s). My work mom is such a blessing...I go to her for 90% of the stuff I would go to my real mom for. She gives me recipes, advice, criticism, and isn't afraid to put me in my place when need be. I just love her. She's such a blessing. I think I am sane only because I have adopted a few of my friend's moms while growing up. Without their influence, I hate to think of where I'd be. lol.

     
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    Ms. St. Louis    September 8, 2011   Dayton, Ohio

    @misssydneyj: My ex-boyfriend's mom was such a wonderful, wonderful woman. (So was his entire family, for that matter). We were SO close & she was who I went to with everything. After we broke it off, I tried for a long time to keep contact, but it was just too awkward. (Especially now since he's married with a baby on the way, lol) So the fact that my FMIL is such a...err...brat, is really hard. She doesn't have any desire to be close with me or have a mother/daughter relationship. She only cares about her three kids, which is great, in a way...but also pretty tough to deal with. I don't need her help financially and am big on independence, which she takes as my desire to not want her involved in my/our lives...no, I just don't need you to bring us dinner...I can handle that one!

    At any rate, my work mom is a saint. I'm blessed to have found her :)

     
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    @Ms. St. Louis: The tough part about my situation is that my two brothers do still talk to my mom as well, and we're all on edge with her all the time. So if I decide to cut off all contact with her, I'll lose my dad and make it awkward for my siblings. My older brother once said that if for some reason I do cut off contact, he'll side with me...we all know how manipulative and toxic my mom is, but it's still so hard to do that. So I don't blame your brothers for cutting ties with her. 

    And, you have it even rougher b/c your MIL isn't very welcoming either. At least you do have a work mom and some other adopted moms. It's great to have such a good influence in your life.

    And I know exactly what you mean about her siding with whichever sibling didn't p*ss her off recently! My mom does the same thing...she actually tries to pin us all against each other when she's mad at someone. I know better than to believe her when she says, "You know, even your brother said you've been more selfish lately." Really mom? B/c that's not something my brother would ever say let alone to her. 

    I know it's hard...and I don't have much advice for you, but I can certainly listen if things go wrong during your planning and even during your wedding. I wish I could say that I enjoyed my wedding day...but I just didn't. There were certain aspects of the day that I enjoyed, but most of it was spent trying to calm my mother down from the different people who offended her all day long. Thank goodness for my brothers...they tried to keep her away from me at the reception as much as possible so that I could enjoy myself.

     
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    Ms. St. Louis    September 8, 2011   Dayton, Ohio

    @2PeasinaPod: AHHH my mom does the SAME THING! She'll say "Your brothers think this..." and "Your brothers agree with me that..." She could be on the phone with one of my brothers b!tching about me and they could say "Yep...uh huh...oh yeah...right...yes.." and she would twist that into them agreeing with her. Or they could say "Sis has been really stressed lately..she has a lot going on.." and she would call me and tell me that everyone says I stress out too easily, etc.

    Thankfully, (I guess) my dad and mom divorced a LONG time ago. So I don't lose him in the whole process. That is a whole different story--I can't even mention my father or she goes ape sh*t. She swears everyone loves him and no one loves her, etc. etc. Ugh, it's exhausting.

     
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    Miss Ox    October 22, 2011   Laguna Beach/Dana Point CA

    Oh dear- I think we were separated at birth too! Let me start this by saying I love my mother as I am sure you understand that too. I just wish that we could talk about things like normal people and not hold on to every little thing.

    So, my weddings in 4 days- this Saturday and so far my mom has told me multiple times that shes not coming to the wedding then asked me to beg her to come... said she wasnt going to do the reading at my wedding after printing programs (after saying she would only do 1 reading and I was not to give it to anyone else)- then later asked me to see if I can persuade her to do a reading... she wanted me to order chicken at the reception, or add a 3rd entree because she wanted chicken-- this was already after I had arranged for her to get her piece of chicken and we can have prime rib/fish.but she didnt want it to be that obvious and is still upset that im not paying for it to be a 3rd entree.

    and then today she calls to tell me that we dont get along and havent for years, and suggesting she not come to the wedding. we get along great- i let her walk all over me, say terribly hurtful things adn take it as i know standing up for myself will only make matters worse. i know deep down shes an unhappy person and thats out of my control. sometimes when i am happy is when she gets more abusive... like today on my drive home from picking up my dress when she told me we dont get along

    and this is all after her living in my house for 1.5 months (moving out 3 days ago)-- and had my FI and I wait on her hand and food, cooking dinner after 13 hr work days and not even being able to watch a single tv show as she always had it or was using the dvr (my FI and I believe in only 1 tv in house).

    now shes upset that i didnt invite her to help with wedding more- trust me, she was living here for 1.5months (she doesnt work) and i asked for her help on everything from escort cards to favors to table numbers and she was too busy to help.

    now she is on a plane to chicago to see my sister who is having her second baby. thats an entirely different story- of asking my sister to be MOH, her telling me that they werent going to try for #2 for many more months, then learning through my mom she was 3 months pregnant. now my mom is leaving to go see her and said she didnt know when shed be back and hopefully she can go to rehearsal but doesnt know.

    ok, sorry- i needed to get my own venting session in- its healthy. thats my best advice for you- vent away and dont let her ruin your day. i know that is easier said than done as my mom makes me cry multiple times a day. you need to do what you want and know/expect that there will be hiccups, maybe even huge fallouts- and you will be hurt. feel your emotions, vent to your friends and fellow bees and know it is all her insecurities and nothing to do with you.

    family's family and some are quite more dysfunctional than others or rather abusive/manipulative. they are the only mother we will ever have- not to say what they are doing is right by any means, but at least with my mom iknow that i cant control what she says or does and i cant change her ways. my dad just sits along side and lets her yell and belittle me as its easier than him trying to confront her as itll turn into a bigger mess.

    somedays, like today i keep reminding myself- i am marrying my best friend who treats me with respect. who loves me. who would do anything for me. and together we will have a family and be great parents and I will have the opportunity to be the mother that I always wanted.

    hang in there. im here for you!

     

     
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    @Ms. St. Louis: YES! My mom will do the same thing with my brothers! It's seriously exhausting. You honestly can't win. Hang in there!!

     
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    Ms. St. Louis    September 8, 2011   Dayton, Ohio

    @Miss Ox: Thank you, girl. I am sorry you're having to go through that :( But YAY! So exciting that your wedding is almost here. I hope it's an awesome, wonderful day for you. I know my mom is very insecure, lonely, and unhappy. She expected me, for a very long time, to be like a partner to her. She got mad when I went with my friends and left her on the weekends, and controlled me much like I am sure she did her husbands. Nevertheless, she is my mom. I get very upset when I think about her getting older, and by the time I have kids, she will be almost 70. It's heartbreaking. But, I am also all about respect. I don't let people treat me poorly. Which is my problem...if I could, I would probably let her. But I don't have it in me to keep my mouth shut when she goes on rants about me. I need to learn patience, and I know that :(

     
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    Miss Ox    October 22, 2011   Laguna Beach/Dana Point CA

    @Ms. St. Louis: patience is a tough one for sure. I stand up for myself to anyone else in the world, but for the most part with my mom I try to keep my mouth shut. Ive tried to stand up for myself but it just gets uglier and uglier. We cant change who they are and as much as we've tried we cannot fill their voids of unhappiness and insecurities. We just have to keep swimming along!  Their actions are still very hurtful though... my sister just had her second baby yesterday and within 3 hours of hearing, my mom was on a plane to fly across the country. Ive wanted her help with the wedding for months, but obviously shed much rather help with babies! Now she doesnt think she will be able to come to the rehearsal (church wedding, shes doing a reading)... Im just hoping she will make sure shes there/on time for the ceremony Saturday morning. fingers are crossed but ive learned i cant change her.

    Dont hesitate to PM at any time for future ventings :) take care

     

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