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Ok, so here's my situation:
I grew up close to this girl... we'll call her Tina for the story's sake. Tina is 5 years older than me, which currently makes her 30 and myself 25. We were never in the same grade but Tina babysat my sister and I when we were young because she lived just a few houses away. As we became teenagers, she became like a close older sister to me.
Anyways, Tina eventually met this guy named Doug. Doug and Tina dated for about a year and then became engaged. They are getting married in January. Since I hung out with Tina, I met a friend of her fiance's who I am currently dating. He's a great guy; Tina's guy Doug is not. This is why...
Last Saturday night both Tina and Doug were having their bachelorette parties. I was in Tina's. Tina told Doug before either of them left for their respective parties that he couldn't go to a strip club. My boyfriend, Doug's friend whom he grew up with, was also in Doug's party that night. Doug said ok to Tina and we all split up. At about 8:00 Tina had a little to drink and decided to go to the same bar where she knew her fiance would be at to "check up on him". She also wanted us to act like it was one of our ideas to go to the same bar she thought he was at, as if it were coincidence. We showed up at the bar, and Doug's party was there as well. Tina talked a bit with Doug and Doug asked again if he could go to a strip club (I learned later from my boyfriend that they were all going to take him anyways) and Tina hesitantly said yes. Doug's party left for another bar and Tina came back to us upset; she felt that the 10 buddies around her fiance were pressuring her and she didn't want to make a scene about Doug going to a strip club. He also asked if he could have a lap dance and she had regretfully said yes to that too (while he asked this all his buddies were standing around listening).
We ended the night, but not before Tina called Doug one last time around midnight when she knew he'd be at the strip club. She was somewhat drunk by that point, so she told him how upset she was that he was there and how she didn't really want him to go but all his buddies were standing around and she felt pressured. He never answered the phone and she didn't hear from him until the next morning.
My boyfriend came home the next day too. I told him straight up before he went that he was not to get lap dances. He swore he didn't, but Doug did. In fact, Doug got 3 public lap dances and 4 private dances. He went on to tell me that Doug sucked on one of the stripper's nipples in the private room and then she grabbed his hand and stuck it up her vajayjay because she was "wet from the idea that she would be the last woman he was with". That's all he told me about, but I wonder if there is more.
I am so sick for both of us now. My boyfriend swore I couldn't tell anyone, even before he told me. I want to tell Tina because I'm sure she had no idea that a "Lap Dance" meant her fiance was going to suck on a stripper's breasts and finger F*** her. I don't know what to do. Should I tell her? If I tell her she could possibly call off the wedding, and everyone would blame me. I would also possibly permanantly damage my relationship with my boyfriend as he is friends with Doug. Doug isn't telling her, because I saw her today and she seemed cheerful about the upcoming wedding. We always tell each other everything. The other guys in the bachelor party said something that night after Doug's private dances about her age. It was something like, "Well, she's 30 and Doug's 25. Even if she found out, she wouldn't leave. She's too old to make a move like that."
What should I do? I don't want to lose my boyfriend or lose his trust in me, which is my biggest fear. Should I say nothing to her?
IMO I would want to know if my soon to be husband cheated. Marriage is a huge commitment. Your boyfriend should understand how big of a deal this is.
If I were the bride in the situation, I'd want to know.
Even though your boyfriend asked you not to, explain to him that this is one promise you have to break because she NEEDS to know. If it went any further than what you described (and I'm assuming it did), your friend could be at risk for an STD.
My vote is to tell her. She definitely needs to know.
I think she should know. Going into marriage without that information is disaster. Honestly, you're doing what's right if you tell her. It's not your fault this guy cheated.
I think you should tell also. If she cancels the wedding it wont be your fault it will be the cheaters fiances fault. I know I would want to know.
Ew that is so gross! She deserves someone who is going to respect her. And THAT is NOT respect. Its hard to put yourself in someone else situation, but I think I would tell my friend. I certainly would want to know if I was marrying a disrespectful pervert. Thats just me though.
@bridget_124:agreed. if your very close to her then ide sit down with her and disclose what your boyfriend told you because if it was me, ide want to know what my fiance had done. He sounds like he needs to grow up. Shouldnt be getting married if he's not ready to intimatly be with one woman. sheesh.
This is horrible!!!!! If your relationship with "Tina" is as good as you say it is could you really stand living your lives as friends and not telling her? It's a tough call and obviously something that has to be a personal decision for your specific situation, but I know if I was the Bride I would want to know. This would be a deal breaker for me and my FI knows this. I'm sure her man knows too. What a horrible way to start a marriage. Do you really think he'll change over the years? This is just so disrespectful to your poor friend I can't believe it!
Would you want to know? I would ... I say TELL HER. If your boyfriend gets that upset at you, then he isn't much of a boyfriend.
Speaking as someone with a lot more experience, just file it away in your head. You dont really know what happened. And your bf doesnt really know what went on "down there" What people say and what they really did can be very different. Your friend probably should not have forced the issue. He had to go, or look like he was "whipped" in front of his friends. If she had just said "I love you and see you tomorrow" it would be a non- issue.
I say - stay out of it. Strip clubs are not cheating. He is marrying her, not the dancer. Its a no- win for you.
Wow, you totally have to tell her. Think about it this way, would SHE be a good friend if she didn't tell you? He cheated IMO and I would TOTALLY call off my wedding if my FI did this to me. Even if "you" cause problems, this is all the FIs fault, and he needs to clear it up with her. I think your bf should respect that you have to tell your friend. In this instance, "the man code" is not as important as the rest of their lives.
I consider boob-sucking and finger "fun" cheating, and the bride needs to know. Especially, as someone already pointed out, STD's could potentially be a factor here.
You should also know that if your BF wants to keep this a secret from her, then he's probably not the one for you because this is a big deal, you know? I would count on it breaking up your relationship unless he has a change of heart and realizes how silly this sounds.
I'm really sorry, what a crappy situation!
I am going to play devils advocate. Did he really cheat? She put his hand there. He will argue he didnt want to do that. OK so he sucked a little. Gross? Yes? Inappropriate? yes? Cheating? maybe. But at the end of the day that is the only thing he did on his on volition. She already approved the dances and the club.
So if you tell, they will have an argument. He only did "one thing wrong" because the other the stripper "made him do it". So likely she will forgive him, life will more on and you will be considered the tattle tale. It will be a kill the messenger type situation.
If he slept with her, then its a different story, but based on these facts I dont think you should say anything. I would however, use it as a way to make it clear to your boyfriend that you in no way condone this behavior and if you ever found out he did something like it, what you would do.
Edit: He will lie his way out of this one and since you werent there it will become a "she said". His buddies will likely either back him up or stay silent. Either way, you would be the lone person telling her what happened via hearsay. People dont want to believe the worst and are happy to hid their head in the sands to make like easier and happier. Your friend may very well do this and as a result she will blame you for "making it up". I have seen this happen.
First of all where do you live? We don't have private rooms in MA and there is a no touching rule.
I personally would take to your boyfriend and explain how important it is that she know. I think it is extremely important that someone knows this before they make a lifelong commitment.
Sounds like he doesn't respect her or the marriage he's about to enter into. I vote tell her...I know its gonna be tough!
@lefeymw: This is what I forsee happening. You're right, I wasn't there. My boyfriend said he did suck on her boobs without her encouraging him, but she put his hand there. Tina could either call off the wedding or make up with him after a big blow up argument. I also know what happens after... I lose Tina as a friend. They will both see me as the tattle tale and Tina will be uncomfortable I put her in that situation. She will become distant with me and eventually I'll lose her as a friend altogether. I've had something like this happen to me already.
I know many of you want me to tell, but I don't know if that is my place. I wasn't there, I just heard it from a 'little bird', so to speak.
At the same time, everytime I see her I feel sooo bad and guilty for her, like I did it. I don't know how much longer I can go on feeling this guilt and pretending everything is fine. I wish I was never put in this situation and I wish my boyfriend never told me. I already outlined that what Doug did will never under any circumstance be ok with me.
It just makes you wonder what guys do when they say they "just had a lapdance".
I kind of agree with lefeymw.
On one hand, he didn't really cheat. And your friend may be mad at you.
However, she is your friend and deserves to know. I'd urge your boyfriend to tell "Doug" that he needs to speak up - and just let her know. Or, talk to Doug yourself and let him know that you know... and he should tell her what happened.
Hopefully, he'll own up to it and you won't have to be the messenger.
I would want to know. Sorry but sucking on a stripper's boob would not fly with me, ever.
EDIT: and if I it were me I would rather have someone be mad at me because I told them something than know that I kept it to myself and they got married and it blew up later. But that's just me.
I think if you tell her, they will probably still get married and you will lose a friend.
I don't get it. Why would the friend be mad at the OP? She wasn't the one who did anything.
I would want to know. Even if it didn't end my relationship with my FI and we worked it out, I would be grateful that my friend had the guts to tell me what she heard and that she valued our friendship enough to tell me.
I'm not trying to be mean, I really don't understand why it would end the friendship.
ETA: For what it's worth... If I found out after the wedding that this had happened and one of my closest friends knew all along but didn't tell me..... I would be even more upset.
I'm sorry but if he did this at his bachelor party in front of all his friends then he's done this in private. That's just my opinion. I'd defintely tell her. Put yourself in her place. Maybe she will call off the wedding and maybe she won't but she should at least be given the opportunity to make that decision for herself. What happens if she finds out about it later and also finds out that you knew and didn't tell her? Unfortunately shooting the messenger is obviously a real possibility but I'd rather do and it and have a clear conscience then not to.
I agree with the others who said that they'd tell him to fess up. Because I think he will try to lie and then you look like the bad guy. Especially since you weren't there and don't really have any proof.
How does your bf know this happened if it was in a private room? I thought touching strippers was against the rules.
Well, if your bf didnt see it with his own eyes, and you certainly werent there to see it, you really dont know what happen in the private room.
I agree that this is horrible and your friend should know about it. If you want to play investigator and find out what really happen with proof then you can tell her. Right now you dont have any proof just heresay and the perv is likely to deny it all.
You could pull a Jersey Shore move and leave an annoymous note I suppose. But on Jersey Shore Sammi ended staying with Ronnie despite all the truths told to her in the note. Then she found out who wrote the note and is no longer friends with the note writers.
You could also call the guy and tell him he has until Friday to tell your friend the truth or you will and you have proof.
@Ticktock: I see too many ways for him to get out of this. Despite what your boyfried told you, the fiance will lie his way through it. He will say the stripper pushed his head, that your boyfriend didnt see it etc etc etc. And since you werent there, you cant really tell your friend that he is lying. She is going to want to to believe him.
Don't underestimate her desire to want to believe him. Its like when some people should know their husband/wife is cheating, but they ignore the signs because they don't want to see them. They ignore the blonde hair in the shower, the late nights without a cell phone...
If it were a different situation I would say tell. But I honestly believe this will only backfire on you.
@missfireslayer: Agreed! Maybe we all have different definitions of cheating here, but those actions would be unforgiveable in my books and certainly considered "cheating."
@ Tiny Tina: I think if you tell her, and they stay together, Doug will hate you forever, and it is very hard to be friends with someone that your husband hates.
This is a very hard situation. I hate that you have to deal with this.
@angiexox: just because it's against the rules doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
and Sammi is an idiot anyways lol.
I say to mind your business on this one. He said/she said could end up very bad on this and you could easily lose your friend if she feels you overstepped yourself by saying something. When guys (or anyone) get drunk they can make up lies and exaggerate stories. If they were 'private' dances, nobody knows what really happened except Doug and the stripper because no one else would have been there. Don't get involved, trust that your FI is a great guy and that he's only relaying stupid stories from a drunk night.
That is tough and I am the only one probably who will tell you to not say anything. DH and I have a friend who cheated on his GF, now wife, several times. It wasn't just a random drunk hookup either, he was actually seeing another girl for a while. We didn't tell her because it's not our place and we wanted to give him the chance to stop and learn from his mistake without losing her, which he did.
IDK, it's just complicated especially since you are hearing all the information secondhand. I would just encourage her to talk to him about that night and maybe ask what happened at the strip club, but she has to believe what he says.
@TinyTina: It shouldn't happen that way but it very often does. "Shoot the messenger" type situations. She may not want to believe it or may not be emotionally prepared to end her relationship with her FI over the news. She may feel shame over this, and one way to justify her choice would be to lash out at the OP.
Just from experience...that's how it can go down.
I agree with @lefeymw. I don't see how he can't back his way out of this one. I think it would cause a huge rift between the two of you especially if she stays with him. Sorry you're in such a sucky situation.
If the OP loses Tina as a friend over this, then she wasn't a very good friend to begin with. Yeah, Tina will be upset and probably lash out at the OP at first (that's a LOT to take in, I would expect irrational behavior), but in the end, if Tina's a good friend, she'll appreciate the honesty.
Plus, if the OP approaches the situation without judgement, as in "Doug did this, and I'm really sorry, I just felt that you would want to know because I know I would. I'm not passing judgement on you at all, and I'm just here to support you."
Ugh I'm grossed out and feel terrible for your friend. I also agree that he will deny all of it and this close to her wedding, prefer to believe her fiance over you.
But consider that your boyfriend is willing to go to bat for this guy -- what does that say about him?
I'm not clear why you would keep it from her. I mean, yeah, she'll be hurt but at least she is going into the marriage with her eyes WIDE OPEN. If she gets mad at OP its only because she's embarrased over the situation, rather than her thinking that OP is lying about the situation. OP said that they've been friends for a while, thus I think that she knows OP by now and that she would not try to hurt her.
I also agree with lefeymw. There is no winning in this type of situation. You either tell her and she doesn't believe you, marries the guy anyway and you lose your friend. Or...you don't tell her, she marries the guy, finds out that you knew and you lose a friend that way. It really is a very tough situation to be in.
The chances that she finds out that you knew about it are pretty slim. Also, how does your bf really know that all of that happened unless he was in the private room with them (which I'm sure he wasn't). So it may be just Doug trying to impress his friends by telling them what he "did" to the stripper.
I would try to chalk it up as you not knowing what happened fully.
honestly the fact that he pressured her into saying he could go when he clearly knew it made her uncomfortable would be a huge red flag to me in the first place. yes it'll make you uncomfortable to be the one telling her, but i would tell her since it seems clear he wasn't considering her feelings at all
@angiexox: Some of the guys in the bachelor party paid for one of his private room dances and supposedly (according to my bf) he came out after and told them all about it. He was definitely drunk when he blurted it out. Touching strippers is against the rules in some states, not others. Also, it can still happen unoffically if it is in private and security doesn't see it happen.
I remember that episode with the Jersey Shore. Sammi turned on the note writers and stayed with Ronnie because she was desperate to keep him. She sided with Ronnie even though Snooki and JWOWW were trying to tell her the truth of what Ronnie did.
@TinyTina: She will side with him and turn on me because she doesn't want to lose him. She is very attached to him. I can't see this turning out good for me.
@lefeymw: I totally agree with what you said.
@Ticktock:hmmm...im going to change what i originally said after reading other peoples bits of wisdom. Ide want to know if i was the bride, but you do run the risk of having it backfire since he would probably try to lie his way out of it and it could become a she-said he-said mess. Maybe you should encourage your friend to talk to her stb hubby about what happened if she's feeling a little upset over the fact that he went and then had a lapdance (you dont have to spill the beans in this scenario) But if she's not happy with the way that played out you can encourage her to discuss it with him and *hope* he'll be honest. what a hard situation!
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