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How did he act when you were dating and engaged? Were you guys doing outdoorsy stuff all the time before you were married? Also, what have you done so far to voice your frustrations? If you haven't already, then I would suggest sitting him down and having an honest conversation.
@Angelique02: Is there a reason he has lost interest in things? Could he be depressed?Have you tried talking to him and directly asking him what's wrong?
My FI and I have had to cut WAY back on spending money, and as a result we have had to stop doing a lot of the activites we used to do. Like going away for a weekend to go hiking, or skiing in the mountains. It's expensive and even though we love it, we just cant afford it right now.
Have you tried planning anything?
Why don't you plan something, with or without him. Maybe if you start doing these sorts of things, he will join in and remember how much fun it is. REI and LLBean both have group events for these sorts of things. Maybe you could get involved there.
Just because there are pictures of him loving to do those things doesnt mean that he's going to be out like every other weekend doing them. I could have pictures like that all over also, but it's over the span of a few years, just events that I enjoyed going on once in a while.
there's plenty that needs doing...(like washing my car for me/changing the oil)
That does not sound like fun, that sounds like a chore you want him to do. I cant blame him for not jumping up and running out to do that.
Have you suggesting planning a camping trip, or going on a hike, or going climbing one day? My husband and have been talking about starting to do all the 4k footers in the area, but its been a year and we havent started. First it was planning a wedding, then it was just relaxing after the wedding, then it was a new dog, then its too cold, then sometimes there's just other stuff going on during the weekend and a do nothing weekend to rest and relax is what we want to do instead and when we have a free moment, we just dont want to run out and do a hike anymore. Unless he's literally sitting there every evening and weekend doing nothing... maybe it just seems like he's doing nothing because he's not doing what you want.
how long did you guys date? it doesn't seem like you really got to know him and his habits before the wedding...
That was my question too. .. How long we're you guys engaged or together before marriage?
My FI is very outdoorsy, and loves fishing, camping, etc. And we've only gone once in the last year, and honestly, that was a struggle in itself. We don't live anywhere remotely all that conducive to camping/fishing (Chicago), we're both full-time students with part time jobs, and student loans. I would never expect him to go out and go camping every weekend, that doesn't mean he's lost his interest in it. And, its winter. I don't know where you live, but is it cold, not the right time, etc?
I agree with pinkshoes...have you made an effort to say hey, lets go hiking/for a walk/etc and then get turned down? That'd be different.
Is there something else that would be fun that you two can do together? For whatever reason, it doesn't look like he's into outdoors activities right now, so why not try something different?
I always wonder about posts like this...how did he magicallly change after the wedding? Or was he like this all along and you just turned a blind eye?
@pinkshoes: I thought the exact same thing! It sounds like outside chores, and that's supposed to be "fun"!
I agree with @redheadem: find an activity for the two of your to get involved in together, and hopefully that'll kickstart him into getting back to "living," as you say.
@pinkshoes: lol, yeah changing the oil isn't my idea of fun either!
Maybe your DH just wants some cool down time after the wedding? I know DH and I have become experts at bum-ism since the wedding. We'll probably start doing stuff again.
Looking at some of your previous posts it sounds like you have expressed your unhappiness with some his personality before - not liking what he wanted to register for, not liking that he plays games - some of this before the wedding. So I think you knew what he was like prior to marriage and now it sounds like you want him to change. Men don't change.
It would break my heart to hear my DH say he's disappointed in me. I am wondering how often you question him about playing games, not washing your car, etc. because eventually he's going to feel like you don't like the person he is and tune you out.
I think instead of focusing on his 'faults' you should focus on yourself. Start doing things that you enjoy. Get some girlfriends together and go skiing for a weekend. Encourage him to come along if he's interested, but you can't and shouldn't rely on your husband to make you happy.
I have *always* hated and despised men who do nothing but sit on their butts and watch TV and play computer games. Now I find I'm married to one.
I have to ask the same question as PP: how long did you date before you got married? Did you really get a chance to get to know each other and find out if you were compatible? Did any of these issues crop up then, and if so, did you talk to him about them?
I ask because I don't think that you just one day "find yourself" married to some guy, unless you're in an arranged marriage culture. You can't really play the victim card if you don't like your husband, because you know, you CHOSE him. Or has he had a drastic change since the wedding? In that case, it could be depression and it would be good to look into help for that.
I also don't think it's realistic to expect our partners to meet ALL of our needs. Want to go camping? Then go camping! Plan a trip with your girlfriends, or find an excursion group in your area.
@hisgoosiegirl: It would break my heart to hear my DH say he's disappointed in me. I am wondering how often you question him about playing games, not washing your car, etc. because eventually he's going to feel like you don't like the person he is and tune you out.
I think instead of focusing on his 'faults' you should focus on yourself. Start doing things that you enjoy. Get some girlfriends together and go skiing for a weekend. Encourage him to come along if he's interested, but you can't and shouldn't rely on your husband to make you happy.
I totally agree with this!
I don't really get this, either. Was he like that BEFORE you guys got married and then he changed after...? Or did you guys just get married before truly getting to know each other? Because if it's the latter, this might just be the way he is and there's no changing him.
Well, first of all, if someone wants to sit and read a book, watch a movie, or play a game, they probably view it as a valuable use of their time. Everyone is different and not everyone considers outdoorsy activities to be a valuable part of life. That doesn't mean they are better or worse. Just wanted to say that.
But second, if this is the kind of person your H is, and you "despise" people like this, then you aren't really very compatible. I have to ask what everyone else did -- did you know each other well before you got married? Because this has to do with basic compatibility which you should have figured out a long time ago.
But, you are married now so you have to work on it. I agree with pinkshoes above, maybe you should start planning activities for the two of you. If you want to rock climb, plan an activity. But I wouldn't expect him to give up on his games or totally change himself.
I have to laugh about the car wash or the oil change... what's the deal with that?
Thanks for the valuable insights, PPs.
As for what we did before we were married, we had a 2 1/2 year long distance relationship. However, as I discovered with this one, you can either hide many unpleasant things till you actually start to live with someone, or you can see an indication of something but not really understand the implications of the signs you are seeing in LDRs.
While we were dating, we did watch more TV than I was comfortable with, but I told myself it was because we had both moved to new cities (but two hours away from each other) and neither of us had really made friends, and because we had gone all week without seeing each other, we just wanted to hang out together in each others' arms. Yes, before we were married, I saw how much TV he watched *when I was around*, which was on the weekends, but I really thought he did something productive during weekday evenings (mind you, I only talked to him once an evening, and I didn't really quiz him about his activities) and that he was only sitting around on the weekends b/c he wanted to enjoy time with me.
I saw him game one entire day only once before we got married: I was writing a term paper and he said he was on the computer gaming all day because he was trying to stay out of my way and be quiet. I believed him.
Even his family stills sees him as the wild, outdoorsy type--you can tell by the way they talk about him. And when we go back to visit them, he's always outside doing something: chores (for his parents, not me! He likes to do things for his parents), or helping out a family member with some building project or something. So I know he *used* to be that way, but I don't know what happened. His family has no idea how much time he spends in front of the TV or computer.
And yes, I have discussed this with him many times--about how I think fun activities would be good for our relationship, not just for the fun of it, but because when you share an activity, you learn new things about each other--not necessarily outdoorsy stuff, just *something.* I even made a list of things I wanted to do to help give him and me some ideas about what we could do in this area--and he never once used any of my ideas, even though they were posted on the fridge for several months.
I have planned things for us to do together. I have come up with creative and cheap ideas for date nights (even though that isn't outdoorsy either), I have come up with expensive ideas for date nights and we have both agreed that we shouldn't spend so much money on dates; I have pestered him to please go play racketball with me(free). I just don't understand how or why he doesn't want a hobby...I go NUTS being inside all day with the TV on. And I would just be so unfulfilled with life--but I guess he's happy...or depressed as some of you suggested. But he doesn't exhibit any of the other classic depression symptoms (such as early waking, or a general hopelessness about life), but I will try to be more attuned to that, as it is an interesting theory.
And if I still lived in the city where all my friends are, I *would* go out with them and leave him at home. But since I just moved to his city in August and have hardly any aquaintances here, it's a little hard to do that. I'm trying to meet new people and make girl friends, but sometimes it takes time.
First-- about the chores-- why is it his job to do your chores? You've mentioned that twice now and I just had to raise an eyebrow because for the life of me I can't figure out why washing your car would be his job.
Second-- It sounds like you kind of didn't know who you married. Which is really unfortunate. You say you didn't really ask how he spent his time when you two were apart, but don't you think he would've mentioned if he was out hiking all the time? That seems noteworthy, so if he never mentioned doing anything--- he probably wasn't doing anything.
To some extent I think its good that you're trying to think of activities that you would like to do together and I hope that he'll be somewhat receptive to doing those activities with you. But really, you need to let him be who he is. Even if who he is, is a person who watches a lot of tv and plays a lot of video games. You can ask for some compromise, wherein he spends some time with you doing these activities you want to do and he gets some time to just chill and be himself... but you can't expect or demand that he's just going to become a super active person who is out doing things all the time.
Also, I don't think that you can really impose your values on him in terms of what is worthy and what isn't. You don't like sitting at home. You don't like watching a lot of tv. You like being active. That's great-- but it isn't necessarily BETTER than sitting at home. Some people actually enjoy sitting at home a lot. Some people enjoy tv and video games. Canoeing is not objectively better than watching tv, it is only better if you prefer it. As long as your husband is happy, I would really try to figure out a way to come to terms with who he is, and focus on making compromises about how you spend your time together rather than trying to change who he is entirely.
@Angelique02: It sounds like you didn't really know eachother before getting married. When you say you thought he was doing something productive on the weekdays, what exactly did you think he was doing? Don't you think it would have come up during your daily phone call? I'm not being snarky, I just don't understand why you would assume he was doing all these fun things, when he never mentioned anything?
I think you both need to sit down and have an honest convo. If he is the type that prefers staying home and chilling out, you cant expect him to just change. Perhaps you can come to a compromise-for example you try one new activity a week or month or whatever. You made a list, and he gets to pick something from it.
I agree, it sounds like being in an LDR you didn't get the opportunity to really get to know one another before getting married. And maybe you engaged in a little wishful thinking in building an image of this guy as the PERFECT man for you. It's okay, we all do that a little bit when we're in love and sometimes it a shock when reality sets in and it turns out our partners are flawed human beings, just like everyone.
But considering you spent 2 years dating him, said yes when he asked you to marry him, and then pledged to love and support him for the rest of your life - there must be a lot of things that you DO love about him, right? So he's not your knight in shining armor. But does he treat you well? Is he interesting to talk to, sexy, good sense of humor, hardworking, would make a good dad, trustworthy? Whatever it is, I think you should focus on what drew you toward him and what convinced you he was the guy you wanted to marry, rather than the things about him that you see as shortcomings.
@Angelique02: but I really thought he did something productive during weekday evenings
That's a big assumption to make. If anything, I want to do even LESS on weekday evenings after I get home from work. All I do after work is make some food (and I barely want to do that), then plop down in front of the tv with my laptop, pet my dog, and talk to my hubby in the other room who is doing the same thing.
Being on the computer IS a hobby. Trust me, I know about this - my husband is a gamer. It's not wasted life to him if he's doing what he enjoys. I think you need to have a nice chat with him too but dont tell him he's wasting his life in front of his computer. That is your opinion, not his, passing judgement on him like that will likely only cause him to go on the defense. Just tell him you'd like to spend more time doing biking or raquetball or something. The amount of time he spends doing what he likes (comptuer/tv) on his spare time is irrelevant, you dont get to dictate how he enjoys his spare time. And dont make it about the chores vs computer/tv... that is a whole different topic and discussion imo. This is solely be about you wanting to spend more time with him doing what you like too.
This just grated at me for some reason. You say the poor guy needs a hobby...I think that video gaming might just BE his hobby! It makes him happy. What is wrong with that? If you want help around the house, ask for it. If you would like to go do something outdoors, plan it (I know you say you have, and that is great...keep it up!). If you want HIM to plan these things, have an open, honest talk with him. If you want more "quality time" spent with him, be proactive and be clear. But don't degrade him for not doing "outdoor things" like washing your car or changing your oil for fun. What if you had pictures up on Facebook from the beginning of your relationship of yourself "being all tan playing volleyball"? Should he get upset at you because you'd now rather play on Weddingbee (this is just a "for instance", bear with me) than go mow the lawn? Does that mean that you think mowing the lawn is just as much fun as volleyball (just because "Hey! It is outdoors!")? That isn't a fair assumption.
I'm not saying this to sound snarky. I just think that perhaps you should look at this from his point of view. My DH plays a lot of video games too. You know what I do while he does this? I make crafts. I'd be very hurt if one day I heard that my DH was complaining that "I don't do anything" because I sit at home making crafts instead of working on one of my other interests. Some weekends I feel like being a homebody, some weekends I feel like going snowboarding/geocaching/bicycling. It all depends on what mood I am in at that moment, and it varies at points in my life. Perhaps he has other reasons right now for pursuing this one area of interest instead of camping/fishing/hiking (like weather, money, work stress, etc). It doesn't mean he doesn't want to go camping anymore...it could just mean he doesn't want to go camping right now.
I do not mean offense by this, but THIS is a tad over the top:
--there's plenty that needs doing...(like washing my car for me/changing the oil)
It sounds so entitled and controlling, OP!
Also, from reading your previous posts, it sounds like maybe you were not on the same page long before the wedding. You planned the entire thing yourself even though you begged him to do just a few things he didn't follow through with.
:(
@Angelique02: You've gotten a bit attacked on this one! I'll try to be a bit softer :)
It sounds like he's retreating into the easy, lazy parts of life... Both me and FI have our ups and downs, sometimes we're off hiking with the dog and fishing and doing laps of the oval and being super fit, and other times we both end up spending way too much time on the couch not doing all that much of anything.
What I've realised is that the more you do stuff, the more stuff you want to do. It sounds like he might be in a bit of a rut at the moment, it might have to do with being in an unfamiliar town, or whatever else is going on in your lives.
The other thing is that communication is key. You need to talk to him about it. I'd suggest an approach along the lines of 'I want us to be healthy and active and involved in stuff'. Maybe suggest that you both join a new sport to get active and meet new people? Or volunteer (I'm horrendous at sport so this is what I do!)? Or even just organise to go and do something new every weekend... Like farmer's markets, or go and visit a local landmark, walk a local trail... They don't have to be expensive, just something fun :)
If there is other stuff to do, the gaming will naturally decrease. If you attack it as the problem, he's less likely to have a real behavioural change. He might stop temporarily because you ask (yell) but then he'll just hide it from you instead. Not healthy! Try replacing it with other fun activities and he won't even notice the change.
As far as how long you've been together? Our parents/grandparents weren't together for anywhere near as long as us, and they've managed to make it work much more than our generation. If you both but some effort into this relationship, you have just as much chance of any of us to succeed :)
(And my FI washes my car and changes my oil. Chill out bees! In some relationships that's just how the dynamic works! I iron his shirts, we're happy with our division of labour).
My FI plays video games all the time. It was starting to cause a lot of fights in our house, so we agreed that each weekend we will do either a small home improvement project or go somewhere together. We came to this agreement after talking to each other about it.
You need to talk to him...and don't make it sound as if you want him to "get a life" so that he can do chores for you. When I approached my FI about how we used to be an active couple but now all he does is play games, nagging at him was not working. It took a normal coversation of me letting him know I didn't want him to do work for me...I just wanted to spend time with him...for things to change.
DH has been playing Zelda a LOT since he got it for Christmas. But I knew he would- totally expected. I think you just married someone that you didn't know as well as you thought you did. Would I ever sit around playing video games all evening- no. But it makes my DH happy and I certainly don't despise him for it. I think if you guys can sit down and talk about the household chores getting done fairly by both of you and he is responsible in other areas of his like (keeping a job etc) then you need to cut him some slack and let him enjoy his down timethe way that he wants to.
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So, when I was dating my DH, I was really intrigued by all his outdoorsyness--he had a TON of pics from hiking out in the Rockies, camping in the snow, rock climbing...all sorts of things. I was really excited b/c I'm not very good at that sort of thing myself, but I've always wanted someone to do that with--so I thot DH would. Well...here is it, 5 months into marriage...and we've been camping once (b/c his work friend who he has a man-crush on planned it) and canoeing once (again, same deal).
All he does in his spare time (and believe me, he does HAVE spare time!) is watch TV or play computer games.
I have *always* hated and despised men who do nothing but sit on their butts and watch TV and play computer games. Now I find I'm married to one.
1. What to do? I get so angry when he does that all day--there's plenty that needs doing...(like washing my car for me/changing the oil) and doesn't he want to experience all the adventures of life??? And doesn't he want to go out and do fun things? Apparently not!
2. How to get him interested in really living? We don't live forever and one of these days he'll realize that he has allowed life to pass him by and while he was sitting on his arse entertaining himself to death, he wasted his youth (and he's not that young anymore) on being a couch potato and by the time he realizes that, he'll be too OLD to do anything else!
I am just so unutterably disappointed in him!