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Two things.
First off, I feel for you. Merging families can be tough. Different families have different expectations/traditions. Maybe it is just a simple matter of both of you expecting what you are used to but neither expressing and agreeing upon what you expect.
I notice your wedding date has passed. Are you talking about a bridal shower or baby shower? The reason I ask is that it is my suggestion to work on communication and understanding/accepting differences and compromising. I was going to suggest you do that at premarital couseling or something similar.
I'm not sure of the specifics of everything you are dealing with but I will say him telling you that he can't stand you is not ok. You had no control over them being the way they were and how he is treating you is unfair. Good Luck.
I honestly think I need to call up his mother and just confront her about this but I'm really nervous.. never could have foreseen myself confronting her. wish I didn't have to, shouldn't he? I don't think he ever would though. Or should I really give him a chance to do this? I can't imagine him saying anything to her though.
@yassim: im sorry, but shouldnt you be confronting your fiance as well? he said some very mean things to you...
i think you should speak to him, and he should tell his own family how badly they behaved..
@Evie19: oh I've been confronting him alright... I've let it alllll out to him. However, the dust has not yet settled. I wonder if I should hold off on any confronting of his mother until that point?
It's like he avoids the subject of whether he would or wouldn't. I doubt he would though, they have him so wrapped around their fingers, they can "do no wrong." He just throws words at me when I ask him if/when he's going to. He has even gone as far as offering to put his mother on the phone, which is weird... that is not the way it is to be done. To me that's the equivalent of saying "I'm not on your side."
@yassim: im sorry but i would advice you to deal with these issues with your fiance before marriage.
ive known many wives having very serious problems because their husbands were so influenced by their families. YOU should be his priority once you are married...not his mother and sister. It doesnt mean he doesnt love them, or has to cut off ties with them...but they should not be in control of him either.
when you get married and have kids...all these issues will just become worse.
Yeah definitely this has to be settled NOW... I just wish I knew how to do it the best way. Because right now I'm very hurt and upset, it's hard to speak with him calmly, and like I said the dust has not settled yet so we haven't spoken since last night when I laid it all out for him.
This is also, well, since the engagement, the first time I've ever really confronted the issue of his family (as before we were engaged I felt it was not my place), as him siding with them always is not new. I don't know if this is something that typically has hope or not but I've got a couple more months to try and work on things... it just does not seem fair, all the stuff that's been going on with them.
@yassim: Im glad to hear that you are determined to resolve this.
It is a good idea to let some time go so you can speak more calmly. But I cant stress it enough how important it is for you to work on this.
I hope you dont think I am being bossy or telling you what to do...but I have seen first hand how difficult it is for a wife dealing with a husband who is controlled by his family...I really don't think any wife deserves that...don't put up with it!
It's you're place to confront him about being verbally abusive toward you (b/c any time he's degrading with his words it's verbal abuse)
And it's his responsibility to deal with his family.... but it's very important that his allegience (so to speak) is now with you and not his family. <-- this is very very important to be able to create a marriage foundation.
He should always stick by you and side with you... atleast in front of them.. and then talk with you about whatever could have been different on your part.
It's like my mom told my DH (then FI) when this kinda stuff came up with his family....
"Justin... you could be wrong as the day is long and she'd stand by you... Now she may say different when you two leave and talk about it but infront of me no..."
Have you thought about pre-marital counseling?... even if a relationship doesn't have "problems" I always think that it's good... it really gets some open communication open and boundaries of expectations so things like this can get hashed out pre-huge problem =)
Hope all gets worked out soon =)
Why didn't he just come sooner.. as in ..attend like a NORMAL person would, from the beginning of the shower.
It sounds like he is being really irresponsible for his own actions. Like come on dude get your shit together you are a big boy.
Sorry, not trying to be harsh, but I just cannot wrap my head around ADULTS acting like CHILDREN. If he wanted to be there when his family was there, then HE should have taken the adequate steps and made efforts on HIS OWN to ensure that. Now he is just blaming you because he is pissy that he missed his family and his family is pissy because they think that he didn't attend.
I hope you two can work things out, but this just screams ridiculous (not on your part, but his and theirs).
Also the fact that he would say that he cannot stand you does not sit well with me.
@missmouse29: I agree. This seems very silly.
Family is a deal breaker for me, I may not LOVE my Future in-laws but they are nice enough. I couldn't deal with werid. Imagine yourself leaving your chldren with his mom...
Something else must be wrong, leaving before cake is werid.
This whole thing is just crazy... I have no clue what to do, he simply will not take my side and just writes it off as me being annoying! (classic avoidance of the issue at hand)
My entire family and extended family saw with their own eyes what happened that day and thought it was absolutely ridiculous with them up and leaving so early. My aunt came up to me with tears in her eyes saying this is beyond bad what they've done and that she's worried about me if they've been able to get him against me like this.
I'm only just now focusing solely (in our most recent conversations) on what his mother/sister did and how things have been in regards to them to date. I wish I could get a straight answer of what he thinks about what they did.
One of you mentioned counseling, I did bring this up to him but he said he wasn't interested.
I figure, I'LL go to counseling... see if he wants to go... but I'll be going in the meantime to gain confidence and "survival" tactics in case this does not work out. We have been together more than a decade so this is not easy, and I know I'm going on and on but... I still can't believe what happened and what they've been doing. I can't imagine our wedding going very well, if we make it that far.
I'm sorry you're going through this! It sounds like there are things going on that need to be talked about. I'm curious about the timeline because you have you wedding date as Jan of 2011?
@Treasure43: our wedding is in only a couple of months! I don't think we picked the date (knew the date, rather) at the time I signed up, but I don't really want the exact date there... for any shred of anonymity, as if this situation is not particular enough!
I'm very sorry you're in this position.
Something that I always suggest doing is writing out a "list"... the breakdown, out in front of you, on paper needs and desires you have in your spouse.
**mine was 2 pages front & back.. my friend laughed & thought I was crazy when I did it 5 years ago.... DH has EVERYTHING on it... so it IS possible to find/have the man that really meets your needs & desires.
If this man is not the man on your list then this is not the man to marry.
It's hard enough to have a lasting marriage in this day and age where both parties start out seeing eye to eye and on the same team.... What you gotta ask yourself though is how are you two supposed to stay on the same team though lifes trials if you aren't even starting on the same team.
Here's a link that a friend sent to me a few weeks ago... It's very eye opening to the importance of a man and woman making their allegience to each other as husband and wife to be able to withstand the life long marriage we all hope and work for.
http://www.marriagemissions.com/leaving-your-parentsx-to-cleave-to-your-spouse/
He is going to be married to YOU... not his mother, sister, or any others that make up his family.
I might make it very clear that some things NEED to be taken care of before you're willing to walk down the aisle and if he's not willing to do what's needed to take care of them (counseling... working on communication... etc) then you aren't willing to marry him.... not b/c you don't love him but b/c you know that a life time like this is not one that you want for either of you and divorce is NOT something you're willing to "expect"
I hope you can get some common ground with him on this soon. (((hugs)))
I would not marry someone without doing premarital counseling, and I made it clear to my DH that that's how it was. Luckily, our church required it, so it was a nonissue.
In any case, if this is a common issue (actually, just him uttering the words "can't stand you") would make me put the breaks on the wedding ASAP. I wouldn't step a foot on the aisle. It's so much easier to break an engagement than a marriage.
I think you two seriously need pre-marital counseling. If it's not an option, you two need some serious discussion. Things that need to be considered. You are marrying him - and his family will be apart of your lives. If either of these are causing issues, they won't stop when you're married. They'll intensify. And the results won't be pretty.
re: amnystik's advice is sound... I've read so many from her on these boards and she is always right on the money. Well-said.
I have a family where sometimes I do take discussion of some relationship issues to my Mother. (She doesn't always side with me btw.) There IS a risk of getting a non-objective opiion or putting her in the middle, or just confiding things that are none of her business... BUT for some things, her advice is invaluable.
It's up to you whether you have that kind of relationship with your Mother (or another elder aunt or experienced female relative who was there that day.) Pick someone who has shown objectivity. Maybe you can talk to her/them about the behavior and ask her/them to give you an honest opinion from an outside non-emotional perspective.
The reason I suggest this is that maybe others can help interpret and explain possibilities for the "weirdness". Perhaps, it isn't customary in your fiance's family for the man to attend the shower (were there other men?) In my family, the men only make a brief appearance (if at all) to thank the guests for coming, then he leaves LOL! Maybe if you call your FMIL and thank her personally for being there, and ask if everything is ok... maybe she will open up to you about anything that made her feel uncomfortable....
Sorry for this in your life. Other than that, amnystik really said it better than I ever could.
@yassim: This was the best thing you said, imo:
"I figure, I'LL go to counseling... see if he wants to go... but I'll be going in the meantime to gain confidence and "survival" tactics in case this does not work out."
When things were falling apart with an ex-FI a few years ago, I did exactly that. It was a safe space for me to explore what was going on for me and to process through my feelings. I hope you will find a good therapist and get started soon. * HUGS *
Thank you got all of the advice!
A lot of things going on because of his mother/sister causing problems. But he always sides with them. Is that not wrong?
I told him 100% how I feel about them and things they've done to interfere in our relationship (which got worse as soon as we got engaged) and his response was just to not have his sister be a BM and have her on his side... just not recognizing the issue... I'm really confused, he says it's "off" but we have been here before. It feels like nothing in the planning has been happy, either from drama they are causing or just him and I arguing. We have been together more than a decade, I worry of things I said last night about the mother/sister but I'm at my wit's end.
I talked to my aunt who gives sound advice and she said there may be no reasoning with him because it's just not how he was raised-- its hard to remember all she said but it all comes down to can I deal with it or not, well, I'm not happy w/how things are going.
A couple of things: there is no "normal" in terms of who comes to a shower and how long they stay. A fiance doesn't necessarily come to a shower at all. And with my first engagement (ended up in a failed marriage), my ex-MIL boycotted the shower (said she didn't believe in them but what she really didn't believe in was losing her son to another woman) and dragged all the other women in the family with her - threatened to break her relationship with them if they came to my shower. It was awful, I tell you, but we got through it; former husband didn't come but I hadn't expected him to under any circumstance. He was torn throughout our brief marriage between us and his relationship with his family. It was a big problem. To tell the truth, my current husband is similar, so I'm beginning to think it's a plague on the House of Men! Including from what I read on these boards.
So, forget about normal. But your FI sounds like he is pretty directly telling you he is and is going to continue putting his family ahead of you two. And he's threatening you that "it's off", what ever that means. you have a choice -- call his bluff. Say, okay, that's it's off for you as well if he can't put you first or if he can't (says he's "not interested in counseling) muster an "interest" in premarital counseling. tell him you're going ahead to get counseling on your own to explore whether this is in fact a marriage you want or can handle. His choice is a rich life with you, the two of you, or a lonely life with his family, missing you. By choosing his life with you, he doesn't have to forego his family - at least, not from the sound of how fair and nice you seem. But at this point, I'd tell him that moving forward is conditioned on counseling and that you've taken very seriously his telling you "it's off". Imagine him saying that every third night to you when you have kids to feed and school to get them ready for! An impossible existence.
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My fiance never came. It was the shower. He went to his sister's a year ago though! At the end to have cake and help carry out the gifts.
Since his mother and sister are loony, they were odd from the start. They never came up to me to say hello, I had to go to them... none of them came over to me for pictures... just acted weird and fake.
My fiance decided he'd come at the end, so I called him at the beginning of cake! But his mother and sister left and so the rest of their family followed. It was really weird. They had nowhere else they had to be. It was weird.
So I called my fiance and said cake and coffee is starting, do you want to come now? He said yeah in a minute he'll be on his way.
Then he calls me back angry saying his sister just called him saying she left and why would I call him after his family left? They left the moment I was done unwrapping gifts!!!
So, tell me, why didn't his mother or sister call him to come? I called him when I said I would... was I supposed to interrupt gifts and say "everyone, excuse me, I have to call my fiance to come here now!"
They rushed the hell out of there before the end... it was just weird... it's like, I didn't even have a chance. And I am so so upset... he never went and now we're in a huge fight over it. He just keeps saying he can't stand me, I suppose that's rather than him saying they weren't wrong. All my relatives thought it was so weird, even ones that had no idea his family was loony.
I just feel so upset... why'd it have to be this way? Everyone was asking when he'd come, even the waitresses!! I don't even know why he couldn't just come on his own...