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(Closed) My Moissanite CHIPPED!

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    misshydra    August 17, 2013  

    It's crazy - I have a 1ct cushion cut moissy and I noticed last night that one of the 'corners' had sheared off.  They say they have never seen anything like it! Now I am sad though, gonna be without my ring for a long time :(. 

     

    edit to add: on the photos below you can see it is one the point facing away from the band.  In the last picture, it is the point on the left.

     
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    misshydra    August 17, 2013  

     
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    heathuhhhhwebbbb    May 27, 2013   TX

    Oh no!  :(

     
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    KatNewby    July 26, 2013   Michigan

    I really can't see anything, but I'm sorry you are going through this! Moissanite really very very rarely chips, but just like diamond, it CAN chip if you hit it at just the right angle..

    I hope you can get it replaced soon!

     
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    joya_aspera    December 2016  

    ...Not really "just like diamond." That is like an amethyst chipped and someone saying it chipped "just like diamond" because under rare circumstances a diamond can chip as well. Yes, diamonds can chip...but not under the SAME circumstances, so it's not "just like" it.

    I think people should refrain from comparing moissanite to diamond, especially if they want it to be seen as other than a diamond simulant.

     
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    jcent    February 14, 2009   Canada

    That sucks!!!  I am sorry that happened.  It is rare for sure, but just like ANY gemstone, it happens.  It looks like it is kite set? with the corners out and expsoed?  That is a very precarious setting indeed, and why gems set like that usually have either v-tips or claws set over the exposed corners.

    It is really nothing like an amethyst.  Moissanite is the second hardest gem on the planet  The only gem harder is diamond, so the comparison is not that out of left field.

     

     
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    BuBuBubbles    October 19, 2013  

    @joya_aspera:  Oh just stop already.  You know full well what was meant by that comment but like all threads with the word "moissanite" you just had to show up to insult the stone and protect the image of those diamods that you are so defensive about.  Of course your post had absolutely nothing for the OP, but what does that matter when you get to include your thinly vieled snark?  

    OP-I'm sorry this happened.  You must have hit it at just the right (or rather, wrong angle).  My jeweler told me that she'd only seen a moissy chip once, and that was when a girl went mountain climbing and whacked it on the side of the cliff.  If you can't afford to relpace it now maybe you could get a place holder CZ or gemstone.

     
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    BuBuBubbles    October 19, 2013  

    Oh, and I have a kite-set cushion too.The jeweler did split prongs around the corners to better protect it.  You should look into that.

     
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    Jabberwocky    December 31, 2013   Japan

    That really, really sucks.  Hopefully you can get the stone replaced quickly.

     
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    ForeverAndEverAfter    April 12, 2014   Florida

    @joya_aspera:   would normally agree with you, however I think she meant that diamonds and all other stones can chip...I don't think she was comparing the two, because I agree in the sence that the two do not compare at all....does that make any sence?

     
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    bunnyharriet    September 4, 2014   NH

    It happens but it still sucks. Moissanite is tougher than diamond (i.e. less prone to chipping) but it does happen. At least it's being fixed. I hope you get to wear you ring again soon! This too shall pass.

     
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    Jabberwocky    December 31, 2013   Japan

    @ForeverAndEverAfter:  If someone posted saying their amethyst had chipped and someone said something like "I'm so sorry.  But even diamonds can chip if you hit them wrong, so no stone is safe," I wouldn't think it was weird.

     
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    joya_aspera    December 2016  

    @Jabberwocky:  Yes, but there's a difference between what you wrote and what she wrote. You're clearly not implying a direct likeness. I'd think that when people want to emphasise the stone's differences, they wouldn't write something that implies a direct likeness.

     
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    Taeyers    May 31, 2014   Minnesota

    @BuBuBubbles:  + a million  

    OP, I have a moissanite and you're making me nervous! I'm not careful. Can you think of anything that may have caused it? 

     
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    joya_aspera    December 2016  

    @BuBuBubbles:  It does actually have to do with the OP.

    I am not sure, but my impression is that moissanite seems to chip more easily (despite its manufacturer's claiming such hardness and high durability). According to the creators' claims it should chip less often than diamond (see, even @bunnyharriet: has quoted this statement of theirs), however, even though moissanite is worn by the minority even on the bee, this is not the first time I've seen a post about a chipped moissanite. That's funny, considering there should be hundreds of posts about chipped diamonds per one post about chipped moissanite, if you assume them equally chippable (which is already less than the claim).

    I suspect, again I am not sure, but I suspect, that the manufacturer's claims are inflated because they are either concealing a property about moissanite (I am not sure what that would be) or more likely, they are referring to properties of natural moissanite... that microscopic green/black stuff, not their product.

    Similarly to other treated stones including treated diamonds, I bet all the processes the synthetic stones go through to try to make them white and more diamond-like weaken their stones. I also wonder if certain subgroups of their stones with additional treatment (i.e., some or all of the "enhanced" stones) are more brittle than others (their "unenhanced" stones).

    So, how does this relate to OP? If she's been told that her stone should be more durable than a natural diamond, maybe she can sue. Heck, maybe even a class action. Of course, she'd need facts that my hunches were true. I don't know either way. Just guessing, at this point.

     
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    BotticelliLove    October 3, 2014   Cleveland, Ohio

    @BuBuBubbles:  +1. Thank you.

     

    @joya_aspera:  I haven't been on Weddingbee that long and I see your posts *everywhere*. If you don't want a moissy, don't get one. If you don't like them, fine, but you don't need to take every opportunity to try to prove a point.

     

    @misshydra:  I'm so sorry your ring chipped! I'd be so upset if I had to send mine away. Was it at least still under warranty? I've got a marquise stone so I worry about the corners too, but I do have the 'v' prongs on the points and that seems to keep it pretty safe. Here's hoping you get yours back soon!

     
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    misshydra    August 17, 2013  

     Yup, it is kite set!  I am lucky in that the jeweller is covering the replacement and Charles and Colvard has a lifetime warranty.  Its just going to take some time. 

     

    I must have knocked it at just the right spot!  There is no damage to anywhere else on the ring, but quite a sizeable chunk got knocked out.  It's a good thing its not diamond, though diamond is harder it is less durable and more prone to shearing [ETA: based on the manufacturers claims], or a softer gemstone!  Who knows what I would have done to my centre stone then :P Anyway, I was mostly just surprised as I hadn't heard of it happening before.  

     

     I attached a couple more images - the corner of the cushion cut normally goes to a rounded point, but as you can see the corner as been lost!

    The chip is on the bottom corner in the top image, left corner in the second:

     
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    joya_aspera    December 2016  

    @BotticelliLove:  Yes, I am often on the leaderboard. I view a lot of threads, especially on the ring board (I love gems), and when I see something incorrect that hasn't been corrected, I do tend to post to correct it. This particular "chips just like diamond" phrase is one I've seen before, I know it comes originally from the manufacturers of this stone, and frankly, the facts don't bear it out literally (not "just like", for certain) nor implied, it seems ("just as rarely"? Doesn't seem to be the case.)

     
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    Jabberwocky    December 31, 2013   Japan

    @joya_aspera:  I don't know about Forever Brilliant, but the Amora moissanites have been tested and found slightly more durable than regular moissanite.

     
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    joya_aspera    December 2016  

    @Jabberwocky:  Interesting! would you happen to have a link about that?

     
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    Jabberwocky    December 31, 2013   Japan

    @joya_aspera:  It was in the Amora thread on the BTD forum.  Give me a little bit to hunt down the right post.

     
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    jcent    February 14, 2009   Canada

    The C&C warranty does not cover chipping, it covers clouding and colour change...because those things are never going to happen, lol.  But if your jeweler is taking  care of it, great!!!!  Just make sure your prongs are made to protect the corners.  ;)

     
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    misshydra    August 17, 2013  

    @jcent:  Thanks for the tip!!  I will ask her about changing the prongs.

     
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    misshydra    August 17, 2013  

    @Taeyers:  Not a single thing!! I don't work with my hands or wear it when I am doing anything rough.  Also, it doesn't look like I knocked the ring hard as there are no dents, scratches or gouges to the surrounding setting or prongs.  Seems like it is just one of those things.

     
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    BuBuBubbles    October 19, 2013  

    @joya_aspera:  That's a long stream of assumptions with no backing and I don't find that authoritative or impressive.  I can't believe that you would actually suggest a lawsuit based on what you are guessing are lies.  Enough already.  Diamonds chip too, I've had it happen.  But your conspiracy theory and guesses are a little nuts.

    Seriously, if you don't like moissanite, don't get one.  But please stop acting like a De Beers saleswoman.

     
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    joya_aspera    December 2016  

    @BuBuBubbles:  I wrote several times that "I don't know but I suspect" and that these are my "hunches" or "guesses" and my reasoning for them. I don't appreciate your referring to my post as my "conspiracy theory" or me being "nuts". If you think I have overlooked something in my reasoning please point that out instead. If you are just irrritated because my hunch is not flattering to you because you own this product, that's still not a reason for speaking that way.

    I also hate DeBeers as a company, they have a very unethical past.

     
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    Taeyers    May 31, 2014   Minnesota

    @joya_aspera:  Unless you have real unbiased data to show that buyers have been misled about the hardness of moissante, you're not contributing anything other than your superiority complex to this thread. We all know how enamored you are with the fact that you have a diamond and others don't. Do you enjoy the fact that moissanite owners know you as the person who tirelessly bashes their engagement jewelry on every thread available? Because you're not fooling anyone with your little attempts to dress up snark as unbiased "informative" comments.

      

    @misshydra:  Well that's awful luck, but I'm glad to hear your jeweler is going to make it right. I'm sorry you have to spend a while without your precious ring, it's really outrageously gorgeous! I like the kite-set cushion even better than the typical ones :) 

     
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    Jabberwocky    December 31, 2013   Japan

    @joya_aspera:  Okay, this thread is from when a couple of coated stones were released as Forever Brillant, so it's not accurate for the current FB, but it is for the Amora.  If you read Less's posts in the thread there are a few mentions of the increased hardness of the Amora enhancement. http://betterthandiamond.com/discussion/ubbthreads.php/topics/715122/Forever_Brilliant_compared_to_

     
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    joya_aspera    December 2016  

    @Taeyers:  Same for you as for @BuBuBubbles:. I'm surprised you two would stoop to phrases like "conspiracy theory" "nuts" and "superiority complex" and insist that no hunch can ever be discussed until it is proven (like, proven by a lawsuit maybe?) 

    Science doesn't start with knowing the outcome, it starts with hypotheses. Not all hypotheses can (or should be) the most optimistic. Of course, generally it is best that a hypothesis has some kind of reason to suspect it, which is why I mentioned mine.

     
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    joya_aspera    December 2016  

    @Jabberwocky:  Thank you... reading it now.

     
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    Taeyers    May 31, 2014   Minnesota

    Edit: Nevermind. Not getting into this. I know nothing will deter someone who's this hellbent on a witch hunt. 

     
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    joya_aspera    December 2016  

    @Taeyers:  you wrote I'm "not contributing anything" by speaking my hunch but my "superiority complex" and it upsets you. But I could correct that by simply running a study and cofirming that moissanite is less durable than claimed...that seems a tall task to ask of someone before they may speak about their hunch on a public forum without upsetting you. ETA: And now you add "witch hunt." I think you think you know my motivations better than you really do. I have nothing against anyone on this forum. I barely know anything about them. I certainly don't assume I know everything I need to know about a person to judge them because of some object they own (well, maybe some object, but it wouldn't be a piece of jewelry). I am not looking for witches, I promise. "Weddingbee" wouldn't be where I would go for that, lol.

    @Jabberwocky:  Thank you, that was interesting. It sounds like he is saying Amora is harder than unenhanced (at least on average). Not sure how either compare to natural moissanite or anything else, but I am mainly wondering about the brittleness.

     
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    wederly    June 2, 2013   Bay Area

    @joya_aspera:  I don't think your being snarky or unreasonable.

    ETA: I have also never taken you as someone who hates moissanite. I wonder where some of the posters are drawing that conclusion from...

     

     
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    jcent    February 14, 2009   Canada

    Part of the "problem" with moissanite is that  it is cut a bit shallow, producing a thinner girdle and larger table.  It makes the edges of the stone more susceptible   to chipping.  It is cut like this to maximize brilliance, so it is a trade off.

     
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    BuBuBubbles    October 19, 2013  

    @joya_aspera:  No, I don't think that your posts are unflattering to me.  I think that they are unflattering to you.  "Ok, I don't have any proof but I suspect that Charles and Covard are lying because of the number of posts I have seen on this board and perhaps there could be a lawsuit over this" is well......stupid.  And petty.  And pretty much par for the course for you when the topic is moissanite.  Rather than offering a solution or even showing sympathy you out of nowhere bash a company, because you suspect, based on nothing, that they are dishonest. 

    Yep, that's a pretty standard display of a superiority complex.  And it's also pretty clear that I'm not the only one here who sees it for what it is. 

     
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    joya_aspera    December 2016  

    @jcent:  Ah, I didn't even think of that! I knew they were cut more shallow, but didn't realize that their girdle was very thin, just their pavillion was shallow. I'd think they could make a thicker girdle with a shallow pavillion though.

     
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    joya_aspera    December 2016  

    @BuBuBubbles:  Well, it's not really out of nowhere is it? Most companies lie/imply mistruth as much as they can get away with (and that's why it's up to consumers to let them get away with as little of it as possible), and in addition, this company hasn't got the best reputation for honesty. Just take for example @Jabberwocky's link...the thread is about whether they have lied about something else and in what manner they have lied if so.

     
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    BuBuBubbles    October 19, 2013  

    @joya_aspera:  When you base it on nothing, it's a conspiracy theory. 

    If the company was lying the diamond industry would have sued years ago. 

     
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    joya_aspera    December 2016  

    @BuBuBubbles:  That's your hunch, but my hunch is that you're mistaken!

     

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