Hey guys - this was the closest board I could find for this problem.
My FMIL and FSIL document just about every moment of their lives on Facebook. As I found out while going through Facebook today - this also includes pictures of my newborn niece. Naked. Front and back.
I grew up in a family where, of course, you took pictures of your kids in the bathtub. It was an innocent family photo. But, they were stuffed into photo albums, never to be seen again. Not put on the Internet, where they can easily be traced back, copied and disseminated in moments.
If someone reports that photo, I'm worried about potential legal consequences for FMIL. I can't bring this up to her - we don't have that kind of relationship, and I'm sure it would be seen as an insult or over-stepping because I'm not family. FI knows I'm not fond of his mother, so any discussion would likely just be interpreted as an attack on her.
It takes only one angry friend of FMIL's to report this photo - and then there may be other legal problems to deal with afterward.
Do I send an anonymous letter? Blissfully ignore it like I've never seen it?
FSIL is presumably aware of this - I haven't seen if she's posted the same picture or not yet.
Baby Butt and bare chest is okay, IMO. But are we talking privates as well?
@CookieCreamCakes: There won't be any legal recourse if anyone reports it. The image will be taken down, and that's that. They're not going to go after anyone for child pornography in a "casual" setting. If your child was set up in a questionable position, that would be one thing. Kids playing and being kids, there will be no legal recourse.
Ugh. Both my sister and SIL post naked pictures of their baby's on facebook. Full frontal. I get that baby bum is cute but, I, now as an adult, would not want all my naked baby photos posted all over the internet. And these children don't even have a say yet! I think it's so wrong.
Reporting an inappropriate photo on Facebook will not lead to "potential legal consequences." I doubt they would take it down anyway--I recently reported a truly distubing picture on fb, and they emailed to let me know there was nothing wrong with it. If you are that worried, have your fiancé say something.
I would report it. Why people think EVERYTHING should go on facebook is beyond me. The most naked I think a baby should be is in a diaper, and for me, this is pushing it. Maybe I seem like a prude, but it's too easy for those involved in child porn to access people's kids photos online.
@BlondeMissMolly: It depends on your jurisdiction and local laws. Parents have been arrested for posting nude photos of children or babies on social networking sites (If I remember right, the bee has some rules against external links, but a quick Google search turned up several such cases for me).
Most likely, the photo would be removed and that would be the end of it. But the idea that being questioned or even being charged is totally out of the picture isn't true.
I have a little girl and I have posted pictures of her in the bath but with her "little lady bits" strategically cropped out or covered in bubbles.
Prior to having kids, I may have had a different opinion but now that I have her I see nothing wrong with a naked baby chest or even a little bum. I'm sorry but their is something so adorable about a little chubby baby booty. I love their little tooshies.
I'm not a fan of naked baby photos on facebook. One of FI's coworkers had a kid a few years ago and continues to do this...I think its super weird to have naked bathtime photos of an almost-3 year old plastered over the internet.
However, since you aren't the parent, I don't think you really get a say in this.
I don't get the big deal with naked baby pictures. It's a pretty new concept not to have babies and toddlers running around naked in public after all. We only contribute to the idea that little children can be sexualized by being so afraid of their being sexualized. Now that doesn't mean facebook has to be littered with these pictures, but geez.
Facebook will just take the pictures down. If you are that worried, OP, you can report them yourself for removal. Your FMIL will not know who reported the photos.
@BooRadley: humm interesting I was thinking of a baby when replying to the OP.
A 3 year old would start to seem odd (I think). I'm not sure what the cut off is in my mind. Since my LO isn't even 6 months yet, I still have time :)
I have posted pictures of my son in his tub. You can't see his private parts. They are just so happened to be covered by how his arms are or toys are placed in that way and the angle of the picture so you don't see into the tub at all.
I agree with panterapeach on the cuteness of baby tooshies.
@CookieCreamCakes: I can almost guarantee there would be no serious legal consequences. Her daughter is aware of the pictures. Who would be pressing charges?
I'm fine with the naked baby photos as long as you have privacy settings on your profile. I have an acquaintance that I am not FB friends with and I see her naked baby photos all the time because someone I know will like the photo and then it will come up on my feed. I am seriously uncomfortable with that because I shouldn't be able to see those photos and I worry about other people who can see them too since these photos aren't private.
Unless they're at a toddler age, I really dont see the big deal. Even baby shows show every single bit of the babies when they're born.
I really just cannot understand the concept of being uncomfortable seeing a naked baby.
@allyfally: I think its more the fact that everybody (feasibly all of the interwebs) can see the naked baby...?
I don't know why people do this. I would never post a naked kid pic. Baby, toddler, whatever.
@BooRadley: They may have it set to where only friends can see the pictures.
There will be no legal consequences with this, Facebook will only take it down if it is reported. You can report it without them knowing it was you.
there are way too many pervs out there. that kind of photo needs to stay in the fam.
If they have privacy settings on FB then they can control who sees the photograph, it's not like any random internet stranger can look at it. I don't really see the big deal honestly. If it bothers you that much, report in on FB. They'll probably just take it down though - I highly, highly doubt there would be any legal issues.
this is actually one of my biggest pet peeves. i never even thought of the potential legal ramifications. it just bothers me because it makes me realize how easily people forget that the internet is HUGE and there are a lot of pervs out there. and despite facebooks privacy settings, they make it pretty clear that not everything is ever truly hidden. for example, you can remove things from your timeline but it can still be seen in newsfeeds, etc.
it just freaks me out that pictures of my (future) LO's itty bitty bits can be copied and passed around without me ever knowing it. but, at the same time, i understand that these are personal decisions and if people feel comfortable posting such pictures (and assuming they understand all the potential consequences) then... they are just much less paranoid than me. =P
I totally agree with your feelings, but I don't think there will be any legal issues.
I think some people are just naive to the fact that there are SO MANY pedofiles on the internet, and many of them prey on VERY young children. Obviously babies are extremely adorable, and bathtime is one of the best times, but Creepo12341234@gmail.com does not need to have access to your adorable baby. When I have my first, I am going to be an absolute LUNATIC about who posts pictures on facebook.
I guess my advice on this one would be don't worry about it, but take a stand when it is your baby to protect.
I post no tub photos of my 1yr old daughter. I was hesitant to post her in her swim suit at the beach.LOL
@CookieCreamCakes: Tell the parents (FSIL and her partner). If they're happy, there's not much you can do.
I agree that naked baby photos belong on facebook. I disagree with the PP who said privacy settings solve the problem. Even assuming a grandmother can get the privacy settings right, priivacy settings are no help if a friend reposts the photo.
Honestly, I think this falls under "get over it and mind your own business".
A picture of a baby in a bathtub is not child pornography. There will not be any legal problems, anybody (police, social worker, judge) with a lick of common sense wouldn't bother with this. Facebook won't report it to the authorities, the most they would do would be take it down, and even that is unlikely.
There's a huge amount of pictures of naked babies out there even if you just search for something medical related. The chance your baby picture will be shared, lifted from Facebook, and used for child porn purposes is such a teeny tiny minute chance it's virtually zero. If you don't want to share photos of your own child, the don't; but don't judge those who do.
If I were in your position then I would mention it to your FI and ask him to bring up the subject with his mum & sis, say he had come across the photo(s) on Facebook then the MIL can't snap at you (which of course she would).
If they aren't willing to remove the photo then at least change the Facebook setting to 'private' rather than open (I assume that it's an open profile).
Under no circumstances should such a photo be on facebook for everyone to see (not even pictures of children in full clothing).
The Sliver Fox.
As PPs have said, this is not child porn under federal law. The standard is actually pretty high and does not apply to casual family photos like the ones you describe.
I can definitely see why this bothers you though. I have seen these kinds of pictures on my own Facebook and have been skeeved out by them. Just because it isn't child porn legally doesn't mean it's not something really creepy in the wrong hands.
I don't love when anyone splashes pictures of their child all over social media.. or actually blogs because they are less controlled than Facebook (presumably). I think the worst is when someone who is not the parent or a family member posts pictures everywhere. A picture of my DOG went viral from my friend's blog post and I was weired out by that. I can't imagine if it was a kid. I make a point to never post pictures of me and someone else's child on the internet.
one person sees it as cute baby tooshies but not everyone, and if its a photo in a baby book or something fine, but on facebook? the internet? no. to one its cute to another its a sick fantasy that I wouldn't want to hve my child become the victim of. Call me paranoid or whatever but there are some sick people in this world, and no matter what, I don't think my family and friends want to see my naked baby. clothed, appropriate photos meant for sharing are enough.
Not a big deal at all in my opinion. I doubt anyone would report it either. Just a baby. Reporting a photo doesnt lead to any legal consequences though - i think they just disappear.
@abbyful: but it's HER child and she doesn't want such pictures up....
OP I already made it clear to friends who I know post tons of pics and will do so with family that I do not want ANY pics of my children on facebook. Or online. Too many sickos out there and facebook, even if your profile is private, does not keep your photos private. Just google search your name in images. I was pretty shocked what popped up. I never understand others posting pics of someone else's child...
In a world where someone can right click and save the picture on their desktop or post it on other sites, I don't think it's a good idea to post naked pictures of one's child on fb.
Chest and bare bottom are fine in my book but posting genitals is a tad overdoing it. I doubt anything would happen other then Facebook demanding they take it down but at the same time I think there is a line on what's acceptable. Those pictures on FB aren't being viewed by just family and close friends, everyone has access to them including perv's. You're in a bit of a hot spot, maybe you can talk to it about another family memeber and see what their take is? Maybe they can bring it up to the parents.
@CindyRelly: Nope, it's her neice. Her newborn neice.
@DrTeeth: oops I misread.... thanks for the clarification:)
The name of this thread made me chuckle. As someone who has a lot of FB friends who are having babies, it really drives me up a wall to see the "just born" photos full of blood and who knows what else! Wait an hour or two, or even a few days, and then post normal cute baby photos when the kid is swaddled. For your situation, I would make it very clear to your family that NO cameras are allowed and you are not comfortable with the baby being discussed on forms of social media. If you don't think they can follow those rules then don't let them into the room with you!
@AstoriaK: I agree with this.
I hesitate to put any pictures of my daughter up, even with high security settings where only friends can see it. She is gorgeous and I don't need some creep copying her pic and throwing it on an unsavory website, even if the pic looks harmless! Protect your kids people. Don't be posting naked pics of them online. Once its out there, its out there. What you see as cute a pedophile sees as sexy. You want your baby to be thought of that way?!
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