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    redherring    September 11, 2010   Pittsburgh, PA

    I have been agonizing over this for MONTHS. That's not an exaggeration - we got engaged on June 19th and I'm pretty sure I started my deliberation on June 20th. Initially, I didn't want to change my name at all. Then, I started thinking that it might be kind of nice, like a joining of our name-identities. But then, I became somewhat irritated that society expects me to go through the legal hoops of changing my name, but not him. And he agreed to add my name, so we'd both be First Middle MyLast HisLast. But that would make my name 35 characters long, with his at 30 characters. Which would be a pain.

    Now, I'm considering just changing my name and leaving his as it is. I love my middle name and am not overly attached to my last name, so I'd be First Middle HisLast.

    However (yeah, that had to be coming sooner or later), I do not EVER want to be Mrs. HisFirst HisLast. I realize that's what etiquette dictates, but I hate it. I'm currently Dr. MyFirst MyLast. I'm willing to give up my last name, but I'm most definitely resentful of giving up both my title (which I worked my butt off to earn) and my first name.

    Oh, and for the record - the fiance has indicated a preference for me changing my name, but has also said, "It's totally up to you."

    Is anyone else in this situation? What did you do? And of the already married folks - how often are you called Mrs. HisFirst HisLast? And how many are Mrs. YourFirst HisLast? Did you officially change your name, or has society just assumed you did?

     
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    Mrs. DG    July 18, 2009   Seattle/Tahoe

    You never have to give up your Dr.  even if you change to his last name!  (I'm not sure where etiquette dictates that... It must be something I missed).  You earned that and it's yours to keep forever!

    For the record, I think it's only a few relatives on his side that call me Mrs.  and I think that's only because they don't know what I do for a living. 

     
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    otb    December 31, 2009   Chicago, IL

    I HATE Mrs. HisFirst HisLast too.  When our priest made the announcement after mass I made him say MyFirst & HisFirst HisLast.  Same with our DJ when we got announced into our reception.  I will always introduce myself as Mrs. MyFirst HisLast.  He really wants me to change my name (which I haven't yet, still waiting on marriage certificate in mail), so I said I would, but I really don't want to EVER be called Mrs. HisFirst HisLast.

     
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    Yes you never give up a Dr. Esq. etc. titles just because you get married. That degree and title are all yours whether married single or divorced.

     
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    spaniel    March 2010   Los Angeles, CA

    Why would you have to give up Dr.? You'd be Dr. and Mr. Yourfirst and Hisfirst Hislast, from what I understand (unless it's Dr. and Mr. Hisfirst Hislast, but you keep the Dr. and go ahead of him. ;)

     
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    101610bride    10/16/10   Texas

    What one of my co-workers has done, and what I plan on doing, is changing my name legally and having that be what most people know me by... but keeping my madien name professionally. That way, people who already know me by my maiden name can continue to address me as such and find my information through our university directory system etc. Plus, since I have already published under my madien name, keeping it professionally allows all of my publications to be tied together and counted as the same person vs. some people accidentally counting them as two separate people.  I dont know if that helps at all, but I thought I'd at least give it a try! :)

     
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    101610bride    10/16/10   Texas

    Oh and as far as people addressing things... my mom is a Dr. and my dad isnt, so they usually get things addressed to Mr. X and Dr. Y LastName.

     
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    hah that's great Spaniel. I think being called Mrs. hisfirst and last are more of a thing during the wedding or mass after that your Mrs. your first his last and if your working it would be Dr. his last...basically its a matter of preference and you saying it to others I prefer being called such and such.

     
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    littlemissmoo    July 18, 2010   London, UK

    Keep your Dr. title! Like you said girl, you worked on it and earned it. Like the other girls said, you shouldn't have to give up a title like that when you get married.

     
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    redherring    September 11, 2010   Pittsburgh, PA

    For all of you who don't think I would be giving up my title - I've looked at NUMEROUS etiquette sites. All of them dictate that if the man has a doctorate, it's mandatory to include it, but if the woman has a doctorate, it's optional. She can be referred to as Dr. or Mrs., and either is appropriate. And I think this is crap.

     
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    chexmixDC    November 6, 2010   Washington, DC

    Etiquette also dictates that the person with the title comes first. So you'd never be Mrs. Hisfirst Hislast. I believe it would be Dr. Yourfirst and Mr. Hisfirst Hislast.

     

     
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    redherring    September 11, 2010   Pittsburgh, PA

    @101610bride - That's technically incorrect. The man's name should not be separate from his last name. So it should be Dr. HerName and Mr. HisName HisLast. Trust me - I've looked this up and remain entertained that I'll be listed first :)

     
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    haha honestly I say screw etiquette do what you prefer. I worked at my university as a receptionist doing tons of mailings all of the women were refered to as Dr. not Mrs. most things are addressed using the higher more formal title.

     
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    101610bride    10/16/10   Texas

    Thanks for letting me know... I dont ever address stuff to them using Dr., Mr., or Mrs. considering they are my parents... just letting you know how I've seen it done before. Regardless, my point was, I agree that if you have your doctorate you should be addressed as Dr. :)

     
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    redherring    September 11, 2010   Pittsburgh, PA

    @Chipmunk - It's not a matter of what I prefer. Oh, should it be so simple. It's a matter of what others will assume. My fiance's family is uber-traditional, and I guarantee I will ALWAYS be Mrs. HisFirst HisLast in their eyes (probably regardless of whether I actually change my name). And I know that they aren't alone. If society would listen to what I want to be called, I'd have no issue at all :)

     
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    littlemissmoo    July 18, 2010   London, UK

    Wow, that is crap that it's optional. That's not the way they do it over here :( I'd stick with your title. What does your FH have to say about the whole situation?

     
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    whfields    June 3, 2010   wedding in Florida

    I'm in the same situation.  I don't know what to do though.  I will graduate with my doctorate less than a year after I'm married.  So if I wanted to change my name, my degree can say Dr. MyFirst HisLast.  But I've published under my maiden name, so a part of me wants to keep my maiden name until after I graduate (so it's my maiden name on my diploma) and then...well I still don't know what I want to do! I have thought of Dr. My First MyLast HisLast just so my maiden name is still there if I'm searched for but I also take on his name too.  My fiance is also a Dr so I guess it's not so bad to be Drs. HisFirst HisLast lol!

     
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    hha well then make it a point to be called what you want. If you can't change his family, well change others. I want to be called Mrs. watever and please refer to me as that. His family is one thing society doesn't matter because they will respect you and call you whatever you ask them to. lol I never knew anyone who had such a problem. I've had plenty of female professors who have always been addressed as Dr. if they have the title never Mrs. even if their husbands were Dr.'s too.

    Ps. I never knew name changing etc. was such a hassle. Why not just hyphenate the name.

     
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    redherring    September 11, 2010   Pittsburgh, PA

    @littlemissmoo - My fiance is fine with whatever I choose, but has indicated he'd be flattered if I took his name. However, he's also realistic enough to know that, no matter what I decide, I'll still often be referred to as Mrs. HisFirst HisLast. Some friends of ours got married a few years ago, and even though the woman didn't change her name, she still gets checks (from her husband's family, no less!) made out to Mrs. HerFirst HisLast. And she always has to go to the bank and explain that even though that name doesn't exist, the person who they intended to give the money to is actually her - Ms. HerFirst HerLast.

     
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    redherring    September 11, 2010   Pittsburgh, PA

    @whfields - I have a friend who also published under her maiden name. It won't help with web searches, but for her CV (fancy resume), she puts an asterisk by each publication with her maiden name, and at the bottom, indicates that HerOldLast was her maiden name, lest people get confused why she's listing articles without her name as an author.

     
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    Mrs. DG    July 18, 2009   Seattle/Tahoe

    I'm finding different info in the etiquette information than you did.

    http://www.ehow.com/how_4449165_address-married-female-doctor.html

    http://www.umw.edu/policies/style_guide/protocol__forms_address/default.php

    And the final word from Miss Emily Post ;)

    http://www.emilypost.com/everyday/forms_of_address.htm

     
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    My FMIL gasped when we told her that we'd need the spelling of the first names from her side of the family. She told my fiance that it shouldn't matter because things are addressed Mr & Mrs. HislastName.  THANKFULLY, my fiance does not believe in that and told her that he would respect both the women and men by inviting them by name.

     

    I'm thinking of doing First Name: MyFirst, Middle: MyMiddle, Last: HisLast MyLast  I have a few friends that have a space in their last name ( La Canita and Del Toro) so I figured that a space is easier than a hyphen (and it looks better).  This way I can keep my name professionally (I'm currently in a doctorate program) and HR won't get confused but I'll still share the same last name as my FI.

    Just a thought!

     
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    redherring    September 11, 2010   Pittsburgh, PA

    @Mrs. DG - Suddenly, I'm a huge Emily Post fan :) Needless to say, I didn't bookmark the annoying etiquette sites, mainly because they made me angry, so I cannot prove their existence. But I'm super-encouraged that there are multiple sites that disagree and dictate that my Doctor title take precedence over my Mrs. title.

     
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    Mrs. DG    July 18, 2009   Seattle/Tahoe

    :)  I just wanted you to feel empowered.  You deserve your Dr. title!!!!

    Miss Emily has become quite progressive these days ;)

     
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    redherring    September 11, 2010   Pittsburgh, PA

    @Gator - I considered going that route, but it would make my full name absolutely ridiculously long. At 35 characters, I'm guessing it wouldn't fit on most government documents. Even just my full name, as it stands right now, is 25 characters, which is often cumbersome.

     
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    MissAsB    June 6, 2009   Married in CO, Living in AL

    The only people who have called me Mrs. MyFirst His Last are my grandparents.  When people address you two, they should say Dr. and Mr. Smith if they don't want to use your full names.

     
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    My main reasons for keeping my name are: its my name (!) and I am already in my chosen career path. 

    I grew up with a few friends from Latin America who get both their mother and father's last name who have names as long as 30-40 characters so yours would not be that abnormal.  A few of these friends do not have middle names (while others do) and a few of them go officially by their first last name but their birth certificate/ss cards do accommodate for their longer names.

    If your reasoning for not hyphenating/joining your last name is the amount of characters... its all in your head! Try to stop comparing yourself to society and instead do what you want to do!

     
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    Laylabelle    November 7, 2009  

    Who cares what etiquette dictates, most of those rules were written forever ago, in a different time and place! And heck, if I had a title such as Dr., and someone failed to address me by it, instead calling me Mrs. so and so... I'd be darn quick to correct them. ;)

     
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    redherring    September 11, 2010   Pittsburgh, PA

    @Laylabelle - Oh, trust me, I have no problem correcting people :) A group of friends and I were at a restaurant, and our snarky waiter carded every single female at the table except me. (And I had just turned 30, so I was a tad over-sensitive about aging issues.) At that point, I was already annoyed, and then he kept calling me "Miss", as in "Miss, have you decided on a drink?" Or "And what appetizer have you chosen, Miss?" After waiting FOREVER after he took our drink order for him to come back for our food order, he got so irritating with the "Miss, this" and "Miss, that" that I finally said, "It's DOCTOR, not Miss." 

     
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    chelseamorning    November 1, 2008   Washington, DC/Atlanta

    Um, not to be contrarian, but how often is this really going to matter? How often do you get formally addressed mail? And how often do people follow the etiquette rules properly anyway, assuming there is even consensus on the matter? Even if you kept your maiden name, that won't really stop people from addressing you as Mr. and Mrs. Hisfirst Hislast---I have seen it happen a zillion times here on WB, no matter what the woman's name really is. But really, an envelope address is not going to make or break you. And while you were annoyed with the waiter, there is no way he could have known that your proper title was Dr. :)

    In your day-to-day life, you can call yourself whatever you please. If you are a Dr. now, then changing your last name won't change that. If you change from Smith to Jones then you can tell everyone to address you as Dr. Jones once you get married. Say it enough and it will stick in regular life, though there will always be people who address envelopes in ways that annoy you or that are incorrect. Heck, I changed my last name and got a wedding invitation addressed to my husband only---was I not even invited? (I was...they just didn't put me on there. Hrrmph.)

    I would make your decision on what you want to be called in your everyday life. If you want to take his last name and be Dr. Hislast, then do it. If you want to keep going by your maiden name, then keep it. But the bureaucracies of changing it, while annoying, really do not last that long in the grand scope of things. It's way easier than planning a wedding. :)

     
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    Agree w/ chelsea morning!!!

     
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    SoonToBeMrs.Kiss    June 11, 2011   Central Pennsylvania

    Oh, I didn't even think of this, but you know I think I would be annoyed with being called Mrs. HisFirst HisLast. It would be Mrs. Timothy Kissinger, which isn't bad, but it seems weird to me. I just want to stay Mrs. Ariel Kissinger. I mean I won't mind it if the pastor says "I now intoruduce to you, Mr. and Mrs. Timothy Kissinger" , or people putting it down on a formal invite that way or somehting, but I don't think I would want someone to say "This is Mrs. Timothy Kissinger." that is weird to me.

     
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    SoonToBeMrs.Kiss    June 11, 2011   Central Pennsylvania

    I also agree with the waiter thing, no offense, but there is no way he knew you were a Dr. He didn't know you, and they say miss because it's their job to be polite. I think you were over sensitive in that case.

     
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    Bamboo    June 2010   Midwest

    I would probably go with what you want regardless of what ettiquette says. You know you are a doctor and so do your friends and family. Title or no title the Mrs. hisfirst hislast business is just plain annoying to me.

     

     
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    olive25    July 2010  

    Obviously, as pointed out above, you can keep it, but if you want to be super old school, I believe you can use your professional name and your married name in parenthesis, e.g.

     

    Dr. Marie Curie (Mrs. Pierre Curie)

    Jennifer Lopez (Mrs. Marc Antony)

     

     

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