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    Mrs. DG    July 18, 2009   Seattle/Tahoe

    Hi everyone :)

    Our team has been hard at work creating a brand new Commenting Policy.  This is a direct response to the discussion we had on the boards about a week ago.  We've long needed an updated commenting policy, and we've been working hard to come up with a set of clear guidelines that are responsive to community needs.  We anticipate that this will make moderator decision making much more clear to the community!  I want to take this opportunity to thank the moderators and the hostesses for their valuable input on this document... But most importantly, we want to thank the Community for their many helpful suggestions and the impetus for making this happen.  Thanks for checking them out!

     

    Here at Weddingbee, our mission is to create a friendly, supportive place where brides and grooms can ask questions, share resources, and make friends during their wedding planning process and beyond.  We value robust discussion and encourage support between our community members who come from many backgrounds and have many different viewpoints.  It is inevitable that from time to time members may have differences of opinion.  It is easy for those differences to dissolve into petty arguments, name-calling and judgment, instead of supportive and respectful dialogue.  While we value the differences that make us individuals, we also cherish the sense of Community that the Hive represents.

    We prefer a hands-off approach to moderation, and give great consideration to the moderation decisions we have to make.  In order to facilitate our moderation philosophy we encourage members of the Weddingbee Community to self-moderate and to help keep this a civil, supportive, and positive site!  We also encourage members to use the Flag feature to provide feedback to the moderation team.  More about the flag feature can be found here.  Comments that clearly violate the terms of this commenting policy may be edited or removed by the moderation team as necessary.

    Commenting Guidelines for All Members

    i.      We don’t allow posts that are intended to be rude, sarcastic, insulting, berating, argumentative, condescending, personally attacking, or that otherwise harass users of the Weddingbee site.  Please do not post threads for the sole purpose of criticizing, mocking, or otherwise disparaging others’ wedding, waiting, or nesting choices.  Weddingbee is a diverse community with members across the globe.  No single culture is better than any other, and we value every member’s perspective.  We reserve the right to remove such posts as necessary.

    ii.      While individuals sometimes disagree, we expect such disagreements to be handled in a mature manner.  Please refrain from leaving comments that exhibit intolerance for individuals or groups of people including excessive rudeness, defamatory remarks, racist remarks, threats, or profanity directed at other members.

    iii.      While Weddingbee is an adult site and we do allow the use of profanity in an expressionistic way, please refrain from swearing at other members or using unnecessary profanity in thread titles, as many of our members use the site in a professional setting.

    iv.      Please refrain from name calling.  Whether it’s directed toward another community member with whom you’re having a disagreement, or toward someone you suspect is only here to cause trouble (a.k.a. a “troll”), it’s never acceptable to call another member names on Weddingbee.

    v.      Please refrain from baiting.  Baiting is the act of encouraging responses or replies in order to cause dissent or discord; to instigate participation in a negative way.  Anytime you call attention to drama you’re amplifying it and actively participating in it, which is a violation of these policies.  This includes “last wording” or refusing to let an argument go.  For more information about name-calling and baiting, please see this thread.

    vi.      Anyone “trolling” or posting solely to create drama or conflict for Weddingbee, our members, hostesses, Bees, or our volunteer moderators will be immediately banned.

    vii.     Users are only allowed one account.  If you feel the need to post something very personal or very private, you may create a secondary account for that purpose; but we ask that you stop using that account after your question is answered.  Additional accounts opened for the sake of starting drama, being rude anonymously, or responding to yourself will be closed immediately.  The user will be warned and, depending on the nature of what happened, risks losing their main account.  You can read more about sockpuppets on Weddingbee here.

    viii.      We do not allow members to self promote on the boards.  This includes links to your personal blog or website (outside of the monthly “Share Your Blogs” thread), contests that you, your friends, or family are a part of, your Etsy shop or other business ventures, your classified ads or other sale items, invite codes for sale sites, and other links that may afford you tangible gain.  We also request that members not use the site to conduct market research, school research, or other information gathering for personal gain.  Signature lines are not permitted.  For information on the history of our Self Promotion Policy, you can see the original discussions here and here.

    ix.      Please use photos with discretion.  This means you should avoid using photos of individuals who are not aware that you are posting their image.  Stock photos, advertisements, and inspiration photos are acceptable.  It is often helpful to post a link for attribution.  If you are unsure whether it is okay to use a certain photo, please ask the photographer or publisher prior to using it.

    x.      Please avoid threadjacking on Weddingbee.  Be courteous of threads that others have started, and focus on the original question or discussion.  If you would like to start a discussion about a subject tangential to a thread, please start a new thread to pursue it.  You can see this thread for more information.

    xi.      Members come and go, but we discourage “flounce” posts (hasty goodbyes criticizing Weddingbee or its users that are written to stir up drama).  We reserve the right to delete or close these posts if they are particularly disruptive to the community.

    xii.      Please do not link to or reference other discussion boards with the intent to disparage their members, content, or staff.

    xiii.      Private Messages (PMs) are private.  Please do not repost PMs you receive on the boards and do not share PMs with other members without permission from the original sender.

    xiv.      Hostesses and Moderators volunteer their time/efforts and work hard to make Weddingbee a fun, helpful, and supportive community. We welcome discussion about our policies, but opinions and statements about individual moderators should be made to Mrs. DG by private message.  We expect moderators to be treated with the same respect as other board members and the same rules apply regarding personal attacks.

    There are times when a member remains unresponsive to our requests to abide by the commenting policy.  When this occurs it may become necessary for a member to be banned.  Members will be made aware that this is a possibility and given an opportunity to abide by the commenting policy.  If they are unable to do so, then the ban will go into effect.

    Deletion Policy

    At this time, Weddingbee does not support deletion of threads or posts unless absolutely necessary, even at the request of the original poster.  It is strongly recommended that you not post personal information on the boards and use caution when sharing personal information by Private Message.  You are responsible for the personal information you share online.  You have one hour to edit any post you create, by clicking the “Edit” button beneath the post.  After that time, threads can be deleted for significant breeches of privacy only (e.g. you disclosed your full name, street address, phone number, etc.).  To request deletion see the Support Board, where the full deletion policy can also be found.

    Leaving Vendor Reviews

    Our brides often wish to share their experiences with wedding vendors to help other brides.  You can do this by visiting our Vendor Reviews section and entering your own review, where it will be easy for other brides to find while researching their vendors.  However, if you wish to also post on the boards about your experience with a vendor, the following guidelines apply:

    i.      Keep in mind that if you name your vendor, they will often find and read your post!  Therefore, you may want to limit your comments to those that you would say directly to your vendor.  Please view our comment deletion policy so that you may understand that something said in anger is not eligible for comment deletion long after a situation has been resolved.

    ii.      Give the vendor a chance to respond and/or take action - either on the post, by email, or by telephone.  If the situation is resolved to your satisfaction, please return to your thread and post an update for the benefit of everyone involved.

    iii.      If you do name a vendor, please write posts in a factual manner and avoid inflammatory statements.  If you share what the vendor has done in an objective way, then our readers can make their own informed opinion.

    iv.      When posting about vendors, be responsible and fair.  It’s never appropriate to talk about “destroying” a vendor.  Any such statements may result in your post being removed.

    Vendor Participation on Weddingbee

    Vendors are welcome to use the site for personal use, but not to promote their own company on the Boards, Bios, DIY, or Gallery pages - including links to their website, store, blog, or Facebook page.  We also do not allow vendors to post their email address or phone number on the boards.  Vendors who fail to comply with the following rules may have their accounts revoked at any time without warning.  Vendors may:

    i.      Promote their websites or businesses on Classifieds only.

    ii.      Post to the Boards, DIY, Gallery, and Bios (but not promote their business in anyway).

    Vendors may not:

    i.      Solicit customers on other users’ classified listings.

    ii.      Post to the boards to promote their website or businesses (including using signature lines, watermarked photos, or posting links to their business or blog, including in the monthly Share Your Blogs thread) or industry (e.g. a planner posting about how hiring a wedding planner essential to the success of a wedding, or a DJ trash talking iPod receptions).

    iii.      Post to the Boards, DIY, Gallery or Bios to promote their business or website.

    iv.      PM users to promote their business or solicit clients, except to reply to classified listings.

    v.      Post contact information in the location field of their profile.

    If you are interested in advertising on Weddingbee, please contact Mrs. Penguin for more information. If you have any questions about these terms of service, please contact Mrs. DG.

     
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    sailor    May 2010  

    Thanks, Mrs. DG and mods, for all your efforts to keep weddingbee pleasant and drama-free.

     
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    Eva Peron    November 2011  

    Thank you! I have a much greater understanding of the community in which Wedding Bee aspires to foster :)

     
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    MrsCoachBtoBee    June 9, 2012   Alabama

    Thank you for trying to clarify for the members!  I just have a question about:

    i.      We don’t allow posts that are intended to be rude, sarcastic, insulting, berating, argumentative, condescending, personally attacking, or that otherwise harass users of the Weddingbee site.

    How do you go about determining the intent of the poster?  Some people are just more sarcastic, etc. in how they interact and they don't mean to be that way, they just are.  

     
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    2PeasinaPod       Philadelphia

    Thanks to Mrs. DG and all of the mods for taking all feedback into consideration and acting fairly for the good of the community. You're appreciated very much!

     
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    Wonderwoman217       Augusta, Georgia

    What exactly is and isn't okay when it comes to sarcasm? Because frankly, there are an awful lot of members here that use sarcasm as a means of friendly conversation. I understand sarcastic remarks meant to "pick on" someone as being against policy, but please tell me that otherwise it's okay. Can you show us an example of what would and wouldn't be acceptable?

     
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    Crisark    November 5, 2011   WV

    @MrsCoachBtoBee: I agree with your question.

    The only thing that caught my eye is being told we can't be sarcastic...I mean really?

     
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    Mrs.ChubbyBunny    October 1, 2011   Texas

    @Crisark: I took it as sarcasm pointed towards an individual instead of a topic or situation. I could be wrong though.

     
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    MsBrooklynA       Midwest

    Is there some sort of actual policy in place that says members cannot question or inquire openly about a mods behavior or is it more of an informal suggestion that we behave as such?

     
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    MsBrooklynA       Midwest

    @Mrs.ChubbyBunny: That could mean so many things though. If another poster and I PM often and we are used to eachothers form of sarcasm and neither has a problem with it but someone comes along and takes it out of context or thinks all sarcasm is inappropriate then that isn't really the best use of the policy now is it?

     
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    soyjoy222    June 1, 2012   PA

    Thank you for this.

    However, I have been curious for a while...why are we not able to delete threads we start on our own? If something is posted past the 'edit window', why can we still not delete it if we decide to, even if it does not meet the deletion criteria? I've always wondered this.

     
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    Mrs.ChubbyBunny    October 1, 2011   Texas

    @MsBrooklynA: I see what you're saying. I think that using sarcasm in a comment as a form of friendly humor without pointing it at any one person is the idea. I've seen it done otherwise where they direct a sarcastic comment towards one person and then continue to go off that "inside joke" (about the other person) for the remainder of the thread. I think that's what they mean by not ok. Once again, I could be wrong lol.

     
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    mrskesslertobe    September 18, 2010  

    I have a question about the deletion policy on weddingbee's part. Is there any way you could add some guidleines to keep our posts from getting deleted?

     
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    Mrs. DG    July 18, 2009   Seattle/Tahoe

    @MrsCoachBtoBee:  It has to be particularly egregious for it to be something that rises to the level of a warning.  I would say 9 times out of 10 we simply delete a comment that is against this rule.  For example, last week one board bee called several other board bees "jerks".  I deleted the comment and put into parentheses why I was deleting.  But if that was a pattern of commenting or particularly egregious (cussing out someone else on the boards), it would get a warning.

    @Wonderwoman217:  We are only concerned about sarcastic comments directed at other users with the intent to belittle them.  We can actually clarify this more in the actual policy.  Sarcasm directed at other members that might get deleted or if particularly bad would get a warning would be something like, "Well, I see that you are the brightest bulb on the tree Miss FancyPants.  Did you go to grad school to come up with that one?  Rolls eyes". 

    @MsBrooklynA:  Treat mods as you would any other members.  It's fine to question policies, but if you are going to talk about one of us, use the same rules that you would for any other member... and if you have concerns that you can't frame in a nice way on the boards, there is a link to get a hold of me privately.

    @soyjoy222:  Great question!  I think this is one of the things that would make board bees so happy.  The fact is that right now we have a LONG list of technical things that we want done to the boards.  We have talked about people earning the right to delete posts as they increase their Bee level, but this requires a technical fix that we can't do right at this moment.  Stay tuned as we transition fully to our new owners for some possible proposals around this issue.

    I hope these clarifications help!

     
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    penguin    June 7, 2008   Berkeley, Ca

    Mrs. DG and the entire mod team worked tirelessly on finalizing this policy for weeks....thank you so much for all your dedication to the site, and to keeping the boards an inclusive place where brides and members can get all the support they need to plan their weddings :) xxx

     
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    MightySapphire      

    @mrskesslertobe: What do you mean?

    ETA-Mrs DG got it.  :-)

     
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    Running Elley    June 19, 2011   Fresno, CA

    Thank you mods for putting this together! I think that these guidelines make things very clear :)

     
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    Mrs. DG    July 18, 2009   Seattle/Tahoe

    @mrskesslertobe:  We will no longer be deleting any posts that don't explicitly meet these guidelines.

     
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    mrskesslertobe    September 18, 2010  

    @Mrs. DG: Thanks for your reply and all the time you guys put in on the policy!

     
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    bree72    December 31, 2008  

    I think the policies are spot on. I've been here for 3 years now, and enjoy the fact that I don't typically see people ripping each other up and down like I do in most areas of the internet. I don't think anyone here deserves to be belittled, picked on, or excluded, so I think the mods have done a great job letting everyone know what is expected of them. 

     
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    Ms Mini    July 17, 2010   Medicine Hat, AB

    Thanks for the clarification!

     
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    hermitcrab    June 2010   NYC

    Thank you again for all your hard work!

     
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    MrsStrawberry24    March 24, 2012   Bartlett, IL

    wow....lo....WHELP! guess we got our answer....

     
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    petitfour    March 13, 2012  

    Thank you mods for keeping Weddingbee a friendly environment. I personally love sunshine and rainbows :D

     
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    Thank you for this.

    these guidelines make things very clear Smile

     
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    MissTatas    August 6, 2011   Minneapolis, MN

    Thanks Mrs. DG & the mods! <3

     
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    doily    March 2012   Iowa

    Thank you mods and hostesses for all of the hard work that you do! I really like how you laid out the policies, I think they are nice and clear for all :)

     
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    Thank you all.

     
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    Mrs Green Grass    August 14, 2010  

    Mrs. DG  - You are always so concise, to the point, and reasonable in your responses.  You are awesome : )

     
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    Kemma    February 5, 2011   New Zealand

    I like it :-)

     
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    GreenEyedMoon    January 14, 2012   Dallas

    Thank you for everything, mods and hostesses!  *hugs*

     
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    Future MrsB    May 27, 2012   Live outside Boston, Wedding in Saratoga NY

    I'm curious - can someone explain the purpose behind the deletion policy?  I've been a member of other communities and you could delete/edit anything at any time.  I don't really understand this stringent policy.

     
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    MissAsB    June 6, 2009   Married in CO, Living in AL

    @Future MrsB: First of all, we don't have the technical capabilities to delete things easily, we would have to do them all by hand.  Since we are a volunteer staff, that is very difficult and we would like to spend our time helping to foster the community instead of taking care of the admin stuff like deletions and spammers.

    Second, a while back some of the members expressed their disappointment that they spent all their time replying to messages and then would go back and find out that the OP requested their posts to be deleted.  I can understand how they feel, I really take my time to reply to posters and feel unimportant when the post ends up being deleted along with my advice that could help another member later on.  Most new members find WB through search engines like Google so having these older posts help new members find our site and see all the great information that is available here.

     
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    Future MrsB    May 27, 2012   Live outside Boston, Wedding in Saratoga NY

    @MissAsB:It makes sense that you wouldn't want to be have to have the mods delete everything individually - that would be way too much overhead.  I guess the boards I've used in the past had more technical capabilities because each member could edit/delete on demand. 

    And I agree that people shouldn't be able to delete entire threads, since there may be posts with valuable information.  But I do think that a member's desire to delete something should trump another member's desire to have their words of wisdom never disappear.  Just my 2 cents.

     
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    organizedbride11    November 11, 2011   Illinois

    Thank you!

     
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    Jillbean    June 12, 2011  

    I am leery of 'argumentative'. What's argumentative? How do you define that? Because there's a difference between argumentative in the way of a debate "I think you are wrong, here's why..." and argumentative like "YOU ARE A JERKFACE", which I think would probably fall under the umbrella of being crappy to other members outlined in the rest of the first item. What about if you go back and forth with a member debating views? That can technically be defined as an 'argument' in the sense that boths members are arguing their points. 

    I guess I just find the phrasing of that too loose.

     
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    vmblai1019    October 29, 2011   Atlanta, GA

    @MissAsB: Ahhhhhh okay. That's the only thing I was fuzzy about before now. Thanks! :)

     
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    Gemstone    July 2011   Cincinnati

    Mrs. DG and mod team put in so much work to keep our community running. A big thank you!!!

     
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    Thanks Mrs. DG and team!

     
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    Mrs. DG    July 18, 2009   Seattle/Tahoe

    @Jillbean:  We love a well reasoned argument, even when it goes back and forth for awhile.  Argumentative is when your argument devolves into needling, goading, and trashing the other member instead of their reasoning.  This is the classic, "Meat eaters suck" thread.  Goes something like this:

    "Meat eaters suck"

    "No they don't.  Vegetarians suck"

    "No they don't.  You're insensitive if you eat meat."  Then continues to poke at meat eater in comment after comment.  Meat eater strikes back in same vein.  Neither side actually puts forward any argument but continues to put forward that the other side is a complete loser for thinking what they do.

    Please insert stripper, money dance or cash bar argument at you leisure to fully get my drift.

    I think this is a back and forth that everyone except maybe the people caught up in it can recognize pretty clearly.  It's the thread that everyone including the original poster is begging to get closed!

     

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