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I hope someone can give me some input, because I'm not sure what to do.
My main question is: How are your husbands when it comes to spending time together after being married?
A little background info. We've been married for about six months. We're living with my parents because we can't afford our own house yet. I know, what some of you may say, trouble right there, but let me go on. We have our own bedroom and bathroom and my parents' basement is sort of consdered our own living room. My parents also work A LOT, so most of the week they're not home in the evenings. The extra factor is my 90year old grandma who also lives there, but keeps to herself and goes to bed superearly. My husband gets along with them and he actually has it easier, because I'm still treated like the child sometimes and he gets to do his own thing.
So we have quite a bit of time and space to ourselves, not perfect, but not bad. The sad thing is though, that my hubby has no problem going out without me multiple times during the week, or sometimes even the weekend. Less than one week after the wedding, his single male friends were having a birthday dinner for some acquaintance, and he just couldn't wait to go. We fought and he stayed home, but it sucked. A few weeks ago I had a lot of school work (I'm doing a part-time degree), so I had to spent most of the evenings at home. He went out on the Monday to an event we were both invited to but I couldn't make it, then he went out the next night for a steak dinner with his male colleagues. I had class that night, so that was somewhat ok, but he got home later than I did from night school. The kicker, was the Friday night - he wanted to go to a movie night organized by his male and female colleagues, where spouses were not not welcome. His work often does this - organizes events where the significant others are not invited. This was also the case a couple of times before the wedding, where they went to a restaurant after work and stayed out until 11pm. Also, one week before the wedding, where he went to a work party and spent the night there because he was too inebriated to come home. The women supposedly went home. I almost called off the wedding because of it, but he apologized and cried, and so we married. Next week, he's going to a baby shower for one of the girls at his work, on a Sunday afternoon. All the women from his work are going, and a few of the guys who are friends with the pregnant girl, again without spouses, to keep male company to the husband organizing the shower. When I question him about his going out he said at one point, that I often object to his going out (before the wedding he went out A LOT in the evenings with his male friends, so I do frown about most of these "guy" outings) and that he sometimes feels like he's in prison. As for the work thing "it's no big deal, you're such a drama queen."
Am I in the wrong here?
I think it's okay for him to go out every now and then, but the "no spouses" baby showers and movie nights are uncalled for.
It sounds like something that the two of you need to sit down and discuss. My main questions would be, why you don't like him going out so much and whether some of those outings are ones that he can take you with him to. You guys needs to figure out a way to compromise so the two of you can both be comfortable with his going out.
For me, my fiance (who I live with) is out 3 night days a week - 2 of the days to work on his Ebay business and 1 of the days to have a guy's night. We also tend to spend a few days on the weekends apart, to spend time with our friends and family. I feel like we spend less time together than the other husband and wife/engaged couples we hang out with, but we've compromised and have agreed that we're both comfortable with our schedules and freedom.
Speak with him - don't make it into an argument - and let him know how you feel, ask him how he feels and figure out a compromise.
I'm not married yet but have faced similar situations so I hope you don't mind me butting in on this...
I don't think you're wrong to be upset, especially at the fact that it seems like theres so many "no spouses allowed" functions.. To me I'd probably feel like he was just making that title up as an excuse to have some time on his own. I do feel like there should probably be a compromise. My FH plays pool at a local bar atleast once a week but usually twice. On weeks that he plays twice I usually will go with him one night just to get out and have a little bit of socialization. We also play cards with another couple once a week as a way of having a night out but together. Its okay for him to do his own thing but its important to do things together as well.. Maybe suggest something to him like "well hunny since you're going out to do xyz by yourself on such and such night do you think we could see a movie or do abc together on wednesday?" Good Luck
Hmm, so he's going out multiple times a week and not including you? That would bother me. I think its perfectly acceptable to have seperate activities, especially if you are doing other things, but his are all the time! I don't get the no spouse thing with work collegues, how do other spouses feel?
You definitely need to talk to him and let him know how you feel. You need to be clear about how his actions are upsetting you. Tell him that you don't feel comfortable with him spending so much time apart from you and that you would like to go out with him sometimes. I think it's good that he has his time away from you and is able to spend time with his friends but clearly, the amount of time he is spending away from you is bothering you and you need to let him know that. You guys need to come up with a compromise that works for both of you. Maybe it would help if you went out with some of your friends on the nights he is out with his friends.
Sorry...I feel like no job would have this many events planned that are employee-only. Even if they were during this time of money-crunch, I would find it odd that EVERY event is employee only. I agree with the other bees - its time to have a chat.
I wonder too if one part of the problem is that he seems to be socializing with a group of people who are not of a "coupled" mindset - which is sort of weird. I'm all for occasional guys' nights out (or girls'-nights for me!), but I think something like a baby shower would naturally include both members of a couple. Could his whole group of coworkers become more inclusive of spouses, so that you can get to know these people with whom your husband spends so much time?
Also, and I mean this in a delicate way, is it possible that there might be some feelings of jealousy because he's out having fun while you're saddled with school and work? I'm not sure how I would feel if i was supposed to sit at home because he was doing work - that doesn't seem quite fair either.
I just want to throw in there.. before my FI and I got our own place we lived with my parents. While he got along with my family and we had lots of time and space to ourselves he was completely unhappy with the situation, almost to the point of depression. He did everything he could to not be home.. and if that meant we were apart then we were apart.
I didn't understand any of this until I talked to him about why he was always out.
So I do think you should talk to him, but maybe ask if that's one of the problems. If it is, then I think it's time that you try to move out. Maybe look for cheap apartments or look into renting a house.
I definitely think that the occasional guys night out (or girls night out!) is healthy and a good idea, but it sounds like he's taking it a bit too far - going out multiple times a week without you, especially when you've made it clear that you don't like it, it's really right.
You should definitely try to sit down and have a talk with him, and I think that Stassney brought up a great point - it could have something to do with being at your parents house! I hope you guys are able to work out a compromise!
I would be completely fine with my husband going out alone with his friends/work mates, as long as I also got enough quality time with him on my own. Is he taking part in these things in lieu of spending time with you, or does he also plan nights for you two to spend together?
It would never even occur to me to want to attend the baby shower of one of my husband's coworkers-- I would think it would just be awkward, and I'd much rather have a free Sunday afternoon to do my own thing. It sounds like you're really busy in the evenings with schoolwork-- would you rather he just stayed home with you, even though you couldn't hang out with him? How many nights per month would you say he socializes alone?
Could you possibly set up a couple of date nights each week, where you set aside the schoolwork and do things together? Like have Tuesday cooking/movie night, and Sunday dinner out night? Sometimes establishing routines like this really helps ensure that you spend quality time together (not just TV/couch time).
All you ladies are fantastic. Thank you so much for this input...if anyone else still wants to comment go ahead.
I'm soo glad to see that I'm not totally crazy, that you agree going to events where spouses are not welcome is not exactly normal.
I would like to clarify, that these employee only events are NOT in any way company sponsored. When his work had its Xmas party, it was for the employees and their spouses. And this was the only afterwork event organized by his actual bosses. This is his coworkers spending their own time and money to socialize together.
He also told me I am unrealistic if I think that he will never want to go out without me and always stay at home with me because I have to stay home. I agree not always, but how about more often than not? and did he have to be that blunt?
Yes, I do sometimes feel resentful of having to do schoolwork. If he went out once a week, FINE. I don't want to keep someone hostage, but come on...
Just out of curiosity, what does your husband do? I've been to a few work events where spouses are not invited simply because we wanted time to kvetch and complain about our jobs, and people who are not in my profession don't always understand why on earth we could possibly be complaining (I'm a teacher). I'm in no way defending ANYONE in this case, just curious. I have yet to be invited to a single one of my husband's happy hours that his company does, as well. I wouldn't really want to go, though, and listen to them talk about berms and other landscaping things. Again, just curious! If it's something you are uncomfortable with, then the conversation needs to be had (and had again and again if necessary) until both you and your husband are comfortable with the arrangement.
I'll be the devil's advocate here.
It's fine to talk about your feelings but to me it sounds like your husband married you because he is committed to you. He sounds like he hasn't had enough of his party days over yet. Plus you not having time probably contributes to it. I am the same way, when I married my husband we were long distance two years but I was partying about 4 to 5 times a week, coming home maybe 4 to 5am on weekends, coming home 1030pm 1100pm on weeknights, I was always always faithful, but I still went out and had a fun time partying with my girlfriends in NYC while staying faithful, it was fun. Fast forward getting married moving to a different country. I still cant get the party girl out of my system, I managed to make lots of new friends, the majority are single who love to go out; I will still go out now 2 x a week especially since my hubby works nights and studies in the day, I keep occupied, I am more conservative now, because I dont have to be the last one at the party and I bring my husband along too, sometimes because we are a unit, but it doesnt mean my life has ended. I go out with girlfriends it doesnt mean my social life is over--although it doesnt bring the same enjoyment as it did before. I am more settled now and dont go out as much as I did before and I miss my husband when he is not with me. It's different, I am transitioning.
I say let up a little bit, he married you right, the more paranoid you become, the more he will balk, you married him knowing he is a party animal.I think you are making things worse chaining him to you the more he will resent you, I think instead of focussing on his nights out, plans nights for the two of you. It is true most work events should include spouses, but that is how they operate, its probably more single oriented, the majority of their work crowd is probably single; you are probably very busy with your stuff, he needs an outlet, so find time to enjoy with your husband so he will be around you more often. People are busy thats why you have to make the time. takes two to tango.
Good luck, loosen up on the chains,lighten up before problems start, look at it from his standpoint, he comes home to you, you nagging him is going to drive him away from you even more. Find time for the two of you, instead of faulting him, focus on the two of you. I think you both need to compromise, plan nights for both of you, let him go out, in the end he comes home to his wife; he even cried and really wanted to marry you when you almost broke it off---men do not commit and get married unless they are committed, trust me. he definitely loves you. You probably feel worse off bec whiles he's enjoying yourself you have to work and study.
Good luck!!!
It does sound bad. Maybe you two need to just make sure you schedule some time together? Right now it sounds like he is so busy there would be no time for you. My husband and I got married 4 months ago and since then have made a point of having a weekly date night - just for us. It's Thursday nights and we know that is our night to spend together for dinner and going out to a movie or something. Do we spend other nights together during the week? Yes. But, Thursdays are guaranteed to be our night even if the rest of the week is really busy. It gives us each something to look forward to all week when work and school keep us busy.
I also think it seems wrong that your husband goes to events where spouses aren't allowed. He must have a lot of single guy friends. I guess I'm lucky in that all of my friends have significant others or spouses who are also friends with my husband. So we all hang out as couples all the time. I would see if you could do something about the "no spouse" rule. That just seems rude and inconsiderate. Your husband's friends should understand that you are married now and your husband can't continue living the single life.
Yeah I agree with the others that the no spouse showers is just rude.
I don't know about everything else.
I work full time (50-60) hours a week and I'm going to school part time, so I really have little time to do anything. DH is keep asking me if I will go see a movie with him. He really likes going to see movies. That's his thing. Well, with school, I don't have time. So he goes by himself. There are even times, he goes to the movies by himself and he asks me if I'm mad. I tell him that just because I have no life doesn't' mean he has too. He doesn't have many friends out here since we moved and I know he would love to go out to the bars and stuff but like i said i don't have time. Usually sundays I can spend a chunk of time with him. (dinner, movies or game night or shopping) I do wish he went out on his own and to meet some friends but he doesn't want to.
Now this is all within reason. It sounds like he going to a lot of get togethers with work. Like a lot.
I think you need to have a talk with him. Maybe instead of going out with his coworkers one night, maybe you two should go out to dinner, see a movie. I think you need some us time... with just the two of you. Maybe have a compromise, for every two work get togethers, you need to have one husband and wife time.
amariem25 to respond to your post, the people that DH socializes with outside of work are mostly married, guys and gals, and they too leave these significant others at home for these events. They are not single guys dragging him out for happy hour. DH says that they all have a close working relationship/friendship. There is one guy, his college classmate actually that works with him. He doesn't participate in their outings, and he's the one that they consider "weird" because he never goes out with them. I know DH's coworkers, him too, and he is not weird at all, just has healthy boundaries.
And, meganmp1, we come from the same professional background, so this it's not the case where I would feel out of place. All these "friendly" coworkers however, are from the admin deparments.
Thanks again fellow bees.
I think a lot of this comes down to expectations. I often work 70+ hour weeks, and FI is very social and goes out with his friends almost every night. I don't expect this to change at all when we are married. These are my expectations.
But if you have different expectations, you need to clearly articulate them.
For me, there is a problem if FI regularly chooses to go out alone even if I also want to join him. Currently, that isn't a problem. I am always invited along, and if I want to do something else, I trump any casual plans.
On the incident before the wedding, you guys need to figure out how to handle those situations. We have a policy that if we drink too much, we can call to wake eachother up or call a cab. Leave the car, do not drive. Do you guys have a policy? Drinking and driving is no joke, and while spending the night unplanned somewhere else is upsetting, it can also be responsible, in the absense of a safe way home.
I totally sympathize about being stuck at home doing work while FI seems to be having all the fun.
However, if you are too busy to have fun with the guy at night, its hard to see why he would want to stay home. It's kind of only fair, right? Of course, if you are sitting there with nothing to do, he should absolutely be spending his time with you instead of attending all these work events! Why don't you get out and spend some nights out too! Let him know how it feels for change.
I have no advice. I just find that really weird. Do all his coworkers hate their spouses? I mean it sounds like they must all be leaving significant others home alot - or excluding them from these events. Are you friends with any of his coworker's partners? See what they're feeling about the matter. I just think it's odd that if most of them have SOs that at least one of them isn't saying "hey maybe we should invite our spouses/partners/etc". That's just odd.
Must be a nice work environment for him but really? Odd. odd odd odd.
I agree with the bees who have said it's odd and that you need to speak to each other.
One other aspect of this that I haven't yet seen pointed out is that you said you're living with your parents because you can't yet afford your own home. I am by no means saying that he shouldn't ever go out, or that he should be house-bound in order to save money. However, if I were in your position, I would be highly annoyed at all of these outings where, not only are you being excluded (either by him or by his coworkers, I'm not entirely convinced which), but that money that could be saved towards getting your own place was being potentially pissed away at the bar or restaurant.
Committed to you or not, I find it to disrespectful that he's continuing to do things that clearly upset you. Not that he shouldn't EVER be able to go out without you, but that whole forsaking all others thing should apply here. You're his wife, you come before the coworkers.
I can understand and sympathize with your point of view.
But, I think your approach is a little bit that of a prison guard and is not appropriate for a marriage. I see this all the time - the mentality that a spouse has the right to control their partner's movements and it makes me sad. If he is not spending enough time with you - that's a problem in your relationship you need to address but if you are busier than he is what in the world is wrong with him going out without you? You signed up for lifetime commitment not to being joined at the hip. If he is not doing something you want him to do you can bring that up and discuss but if you just object to him hanging out with friends?
I would hate feeling that I can't make decisions about what to do or where to go and feeling controlled would drive me away from FI.
It's another issue that I always check in with FI to make sure things don't conflict etc. but by marrying him I didn't give him control over my calendar. He married me, the individual.
Needing different amount of 'together' time is not a sign of who loves who more it's simply a personality difference. Sometimes you have to give him time to miss you.
Today I spent the day alone and had sooo sooo much fun and pleasure from that but now... I'm starting to look forward to FI coming home - I miss him.
I feel that all couples need to spend time apart, but obviously it depends on what they are doing with that time. I find it odd that all these events are for coworkers only. I am always invited out to happy hours, game nights, etc. with his coworkers, but often decline because it's not my thing. My fiance will go for a short time but not spend the whole night out. On weekends they all head to the bars and sometimes give him a hard time for not going, but they are all single men or only casually dating.
We had one instance where he went out for a coworkers birthday (I was invited but did not want to be the only girl) at 7pm and didn't come home until 4am. After they returned from the bars at 2am, he passed out and when he woke up he was terrified to call me so he got someone to give him a ride home. I was more concerned that something had happened to him (hit by a car, mugged, arrested, etc.) than him staying out. I was livid to say the least and he apologized for a long time and has never done anything like it again.
My ex husband on the other hand often went out with the guys and never checked in or didn't come home until all hours of the morning. I didn't mind about the going out (within reason) since I went out a lot with my friends, but was always grilled about who I was with, what we were doing and where we were. And after we divorced, I found out he often flirted with girls (same with the other married or committed friends of his) and did not behave as a married man should.
I agree with the pp's that you and the hubby need to have a chat.
My husband goes to different events at least twice a week, and a lot of the time I don't go, but that's my choice. I'm always welcome to go if I want, and DH prefers me to go with him. If he was going out twice a week to events I was not welcome at, then I would absolutely NOT be okay with that. IMO, it's about respecting your relationship as husband and wife, and by him going to all these events that you're not welcome out is disrespectful to you.
As for him just going out with buddies, I think that's totally fine. Everybody needs time with their friends away from the daily grind- I love my girl's nights, just like DH loves his guy nights. It's the things that you're not welcome at that raises a red flag for me.
I'm really sorry you're going through this. Good luck!
I'm so sorry you're dealing with this- I wish I had good advice, but my sister and her BF are having issues like this, and nothing i suggest seems to help! I may direct her to this thread so she can try the other bee's ideas! Good luck <3
mmmm... if i was you i will have a serious conversation with him and if it doesnt work and he continue then hire a private investigator... but that what i will do in your case...
i think every story he gave you is really weird, so have a conversation with him
Yikes, this sounds really bad. And while my instinct is to offer words of comfort, I have to admit that what he's saying sounds really sketchy and I would not believe him. Who ever heard of a BABY SHOWER where men were invited, but their spouses were specifically un-invited? And who ever heard of after-hours movie nights where spouses were not invited?? That sounds so weird, because OF COURSE people spend their time after work with their families & spouses, not more time with their work buddies. It makes no sense to me, and I would be suspicious
I asked my husband about your situation, and he said that the "no significant others" work events are strange. Our co-workers and friends tend to have a "more the merrier" attitude toward most things, unless there's going to be limited space or something like that.
My husband has guy hang out time once a week for a Dungeons & Dragons campaign, but I sometimes even tag along to that to hang out with the other players' wives/SOs. Occasional "guys nights" or "girls nights" where one or the other of us go out take place, for sure, but for the most time, we're together.
For sure, you're in a difficult situation becuase it seems like you can't go out sometimes, but the times when you're not even invited are just strange, especially these events with his co-workers. You need to have a serious talk, for sure, BUT ...
1. Remain calm. Don't bring it up when you're already upset about this or about something else.
2. Don't accuse. Use those "I" statements everyone talks about. "When I'm not invited to your work events, and you go anyway, I feel unimportant to you," for example.
3. Don't talk down to him. Remeber that he is an adult, and not a child. Acknowledge to him that he can make his own decisions, but that since you two are married, his decisions affect you also.
4.Listen. Ask him how he feels and why it's so important to him to go to these events. Ask him, (in a non-confrontational way) if he doesn't want you to go along, and if so, why. If he doesn't want you there, try not to take it personally. Just listen!
5. Try to come to a solution that is acceptable to you both. See if you can agree on guidelines for when it's OK for either of you to go out alone -- For example, under certain circumstances, like if you have to do school work or if the other person isn't interested in going, it's alright to go out alone. Or maybe it's OK for him to go out a certain number of times per week.
These are just my suggestions.
*big hugs!*
I hope you guys can sort this out soon!
The thing that really gets me is the "no spouse" thing. I can understand occassionally having a co-workers only outing, but frequently....not so much!?!? That's slightly ridiculous. I would definitely sit down with him and tell him what exactly is bothering you-don't beat around the bush, just be direct and to the point. Maybe he is finding it difficult living at your parents house and even though it sounds like your family is gone alot he might feel like he is smothered. I would just be open and honest and encourage him to do the same.
So I see a request for an update.
Well, thank you again, all of you, for taking an interest in this, and some really sounds advice.
First, I asked him if he feels miserable/smothered/depressed living at my parents house, He said that although he doesn't want to leave here forever, he is pretty comfortable. I kind of already knew that though..he has no problem falling asleep pretty much anywhere in the house. I should've mentioned that we dated for 6 years prior to getting married, so he's very familiar with everything.
He brought up the baby shower thing again by himself last night. He had the gall to ask me to bake/cook something for it because it's also a potluck. So not only is our money going for a gift, I'm supposed to cook for these people too. I refused to participate in ANY cooking as I am totally against the event altogether. I asked him about why no spouses, and he said that sometimes his work people want to organize events for work people and that's it. Yes they do birthdays where we are both invited, (we have gone before, it's just not that frequent), and that's when we both go. I did say that it is kind of disrespectful of him to dedicate his free time on a weekend to something like this. (bunny, I know, I may not have fully followed your points, but I worked hard to do the - "when you do this, it makes me feel this") He said that I have too many rules and restrictions as far as what normal things are, and he can't follow them all, especially since he doesn't put any on me. He said that I make things weird that are not weird, and he can do the same to me, by telling me that my meeting with my girlfriends, make him uncomfortable. The thing is, that I don't do things that are questionable, I like girls nights out but I don't make a point of doing them very often, and when I do, it's usually a dinner or a movie, tame stuff. My single girlfriends always make a point to invite us both to everything. He said that it should make me comfortable that the group of employees he hangs out with are all pretty much married and since their spouses don't mind, I should just relax.
I should mention that I'm in the middle of a big school project that will end this Friday, that I'm having trouble finishing. I'm a little bitter, because it's also somewhat his area of expertise and he could help me out a lot, but just refuses. And then asks me to cook for coworkers.
This whole thing is just upsetting. I didn't think I would be having these kinds of conversations so shortly after we are married. I thought the first few months would be more blissful, but so far, they've made me doubt this commitment. All this, plus his other outings, do not make me feel too wanted and actually make me feel pretty low.
Oh yes, some may gasp that we were together for 6 years and I failed to notice this. Well, this work thing materialized like 3 months before our wedding. Prior to that time very weekend, during the day day or evening, we'd usually spend together. Sure he would go out with the guys occasionally, but it wasn't that often. And he still refuses certain outings with his friends. I would say there is DEFINITELY value in living together prior to marriage, it just doesn't go over well with a traditional family, like mine. Oh yes, and datign for a such a long time, is not always the hottest idea...for me anyway.
That is totally annoying, I would also be bothered. As the others have said, I think you should speak with him about his, maybe he can go out with his work people like once a month? I can understand where he's coming from, a lot of times, people from my work meet up for drinks and whatnot, no one brings their spouses/significant others. I tend to avoid these outings though or will just limit it to special occasions (like a birthday celebration) b/c I know my fiance would feel "left out", as I would too if it were him going out all the time.
GAH. How frustrating. You try and approach the topic and he says you put all these rules on him. And knowing you're in the middle of a project he could help you with, he asks you to bake for him? GAH GAH GAH. boys!
Honestly I think you did a great thing talking to him and if things really aren't changing and he's not 'hearing' your concerns - maybe think about marital counseling? You're in school so I'm guessing cost may be a concern but they often offer marital counseling for free at churchs/community centers. Or if you live near a university alot of times the counseling centers need clients to 'practice' on.
I'm sorry you're having such a hard newly-wed time. Maybe you should start arranging more girls nights, dinners and movies with your friends. Prove to him and to yourself that you aren't just boring stay at home doing schoolwork girl (that was so me for 3 years at law school).
Wow. My FI and I do pretty much everything together (you know, that isn't like special bonding time with our close friends). I can't imagine him telling me I can't go to work parties or get togethers with his buddies, especially when it's going on all the time!
Ya'll might want to look into some counseling for this... he may not understand how this is hurting your relationship.
I agree with a lot of responses here - he is acting completely inappropriate for a married man. The "no spouse" rule is a little concerning. Have you checked with some of the other spouses you are acquainted with? Have you verified that the events are, in fact, designated as "no spouse" events? I just hope he's being 100% honest with you.
It sounds like he's just not ready to grow up yet.
I know everyone else is saying this, but I had a couple thoughts when reading your posts on this thread. First of all, it sounds like you are pretty busy with school and there have been a few times when he went out without you to something you actually were invited too instead of staying home and watching you do your schoolwork. I think that's totally fine. He's allowed to want to go out instead of stay in and potentially be bored to tears or even worse slowing down your progress.
Second, I'm jumping on the 'no spouse thing is weird' bandwagon. That is totally unacceptable. It's fine and good to hang out with coworkers outside of work and occasionaly go out for a coworker only happy hour, but anything in excess of that is inappropriate. Something like a baby shower you should definitely be invited to - unless it's in a conference room during work hours. The reason I think it's inappropriate is b/c there are female coworkers attending these events. Once you add females into the mix, it's no longer a 'friend gathering' and you should be invited too, out of respect for your union.
FI and I generally try to use the rule that we don't do anything we wouldn't want the other to do. I would never go to a 'coworker only' ANYTHING on the weekend without him as I woudln't want him to do that to me. In the case of the shower, he should send a gift but decline the invitation as he didn't get a 'plus one'.
Once a month my girlfriends and I have "book" club a/k/a wine club - and it's understood that significant others are not invited (nor would they want to be!!) In addition, if I go to a bachelorette party/weekend or he goes to a bachelor party/weekend, we don't go with each other. Other than that I don't seek to exclude my husband, and, I am always invited whenever he has plans. It's pretty much how things have always been with us. We have very little free time together and mostly want to spend it together.
I think Mrs. Bunny's advice is good!
I don't go to any of my fiance's happy hours/work events, but I'm also always invited. I would be a little curious about that part.
Since your evenings are busy, I'm pretty understanding of him going out with friends occasionally on those nights. However, him going out multiple times a week is no way to save for a house or place of your own. We've both substantially limited our going out to bars and restaurants because we have things we're saving for.
I would, under the guise of saving money if you wish, suggest the idea of potlucks and at home drinking with his work buddies, that include the spouses.You may be busy on weeknights, but you still want to see him on weekends.
I think everyone deserves some time to themselves and just their friends, but I think the frequency of his outings are a little much, considering your financial situation and your feelings about it.
Have you ever met his coworkers that he parties with? Normally I wouldn't be concerned AT ALL with hubs going out w/ coworkers, and most times I wouldn't WANT to go, but this strikes me as odd. It sounds like it could lead to an affair within the group if all these married folks are out partying and getting sloppy drunk and DON'T want spouses.
I also wouldn't WANT to go to this shower, but I would also be like "bake your own d@mn cake" in your situation..that is RIDICULOUS...and if hubs goes out w/ coworkers, unless it is a RARE ocassion, I'd expect him to be home by like 8 or 9, not 11+. Is he very young?
And, I don't think the concern is just that he LIKES hanging out with his coworkers, that is a good thing, but it's like he'd RATHER hang with them on the weekends...of course he still sees you, but maybe you 2 have too much "serious/home time" when he sees fun time == coworker time.
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