nondenominational marrying catholic: no baptism record??

posted 3 years ago in Catholic
Post # 3
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626 posts
Busy bee
  • Wedding: September 2013

@rawrrawr I would have your parents go with you. Did you have any program for the day or any paperwork you kept saying you were baptized?

Also have you spoken to the priest about lack of paperwork. I don’t think its a deal breaker, or shouldn’t be.

 

Best of luck!

Post # 5
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: October 2013

If you don’t mind having a very slightly different ceremony (just a few prayers are different) you can just ask the church to grant you a dispensation. My FI is an unbaptized protestant and getting the dispensation was really easy. it might be different at your church but it’s worth asking. You could also get re-baptized.

Post # 7
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: October 2013

@rawrrawr:  If you can’t get your hands on it, just get you parents to write and sign a letter stating you’ve never been married. I’m non-baptized and marrying a catholic, that’s what I had to do.

Post # 8
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: October 2013

it wouldn’t be sacramental, but it would be licit, valid. From what the deacon told me, the difference between sacramental and not is just that there’s not an extra hit of God’s grace attached to the marriage. To me, that didn’t mean as much. It may be very important to your FI. The priest can talk to you more about the differences. I think that as soon as the non-baptized person is baptized, it becomes sacramental. But either way, it’s totally valid.

Post # 9
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Bumble Beekeeper
  • Wedding: July 2013 - UK

If you don’t have the paperwork, then you can ask for a dispensation for a “natural” marriage, instead of a “mixed” marriage, instead. You’ll need a dispensation anyway.

The only difference is that you wouldn’t be able to apply to have the Eucharist/ a full nuptual mass during the ceremony. But if you don’t really want a nuptual mass, there shouldn’t be an issue.

Post # 10
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Honey bee
  • Wedding: October 2011

@SarahCF:  in the Catholic Church, you can NOT get “rebaptized.” To do so is considered a grave offense. What the church can do, however, is to give you a “conditional baptism,” where they do the baptism, but say something like, “and if you have never been baptized, then I baptize you…” But this is a last resort. 

OP- what I have heard of, is if you can find a couple people (parents, grandparents, etc) who would sign a statement of some sort saying they were present at your baptism, and you were baptized with water and the correct formula (“in the name of the father…”) ask your priest if this is an option.

Post # 11
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: October 2013

@red_rose:  I was referring to a non-Catholic baptism, in a Prostestant denomination

Post # 12
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Honey bee
  • Wedding: October 2011

@SarahCF:  I know. In the Catholic Church, it is sacrilegious to “rebaptize” ANYONE who has been baptized previously with the correct formula (“I baptize you in the name of the father, and the son…”) and with water. It doesn’t matter what church it was in.

see canon 845.1

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P2T.HTM

Or for more explanation http://catholicexchange.com/do-converts-have-to-be-rebaptized/

Post # 13
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: October 2013

@red_rose:  Are you saying that even if she was baptized the first time in a Protestant denomination and then is baptized again (or perhaps for the first time – we’re not sure) IN THE SAME CHURCH, it would be wrong? I know plenty of protestants who have been baptized a couple of times and their churches allow it, although I’m not sure how the Catholic church would recognize it. Seems like if they won’t recognize the first b/c there’s no certificate they must allow a second. otherwise they’re saying ok you weren’t baptized the first time…but you can’t be baptized another time…so you’re s.o.l.. That would be absurd.

Post # 14
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Honey bee
  • Wedding: October 2011

@SarahCF:  its not that they don’t “recognize” it bc there is no certificate, its that they must be able to “prove” that it actually happened. In cases I’ve heard of, someone like the grandma or someone has to sign something saying they remember it happening, and that suffices as “proof.”  But if there is any doubt, then like I said before there can be a “conditional baptism” which is NOT a “rebaptism,” but rather saying, “if you were not already baptized… We’ll do this again but it only matters ifnyou havent already beenbaptised.” Catholics recognize the baptisms of other denominations, (as long as they use the trinitaIran formula, and water, etc,) but some other Protestant denominations do not recognize catholic infant baptisms, as they believe you have to be able to give consent to be baptized, which is why they “rebaptize” but Catholics do not. Caholics still think this is wrong, but we can’t exactly go around telling them how to do things. See the link I posted which will explain it better than me.

Post # 15
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: July 2013

No help here, except that I find it ridiculous that they need verification.

I would just go back to your old church, ask, & if they can’t help you then tell the Catholic church & see what else might appease them..

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