(Closed) Nonsexist 1st Testament Readings

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Post # 3
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Helper bee
  • Wedding: May 2008

I’m not going to be much help but I just wanted to comment.  Try looking at the readings again and forget about the phrase sexist.  I know they were written in a different day, but aren’t they still kind of true?  I’m sure you would be willing to go to great lengths for your new husband, and would at least like to be fearful of the lord. As far a being owned by your husband, that too is sort of true.  While being individuals you both own a stake in each other. 

I think sometimes today we are too quick to be defensive, and hear a word like "obey" and immediatly go into an uproar about it.  Try to forget what you have learned in today’s society and try looking at them with an open heart.  The ones that talked about how the women is there to make a loving home, almost made me cry.

That being said, I picked this reading.  In our pre-cana class they talked a little about this one, and emphased the "and it was good" part. My husband is a converted catholic so he isn’t well versed in the readings, so since he had an explanation of this one and he understood it, we thought it would work well for us.

<p style=”margin: 0in 0in 0pt” class=”MsoNormal”><font size=”3″><font face=”Times New Roman”>First Reading</font></font><font face=”Times New Roman” size=”3″> </font> <p style=”margin: 0in 0in 0pt” class=”MsoNormal”><font face=”Times New Roman” size=”3″>A reading from the Book of Genesis</font><font face=”Times New Roman” size=”3″> </font> <p style=”margin: 0in 0in 0pt” class=”MsoNormal”><font face=”Times New Roman” size=”3″>Then God said:</font><p style=”margin: 0in 0in 0pt” class=”MsoNormal”><font face=”Times New Roman” size=”3″>“Let us make man in our image, after our likeness.</font><p style=”margin: 0in 0in 0pt” class=”MsoNormal”><font face=”Times New Roman” size=”3″>Let them have dominion over the fish of the sea,</font><p style=”margin: 0in 0in 0pt” class=”MsoNormal”><font size=”3″><font face=”Times New Roman”>            the birds of the air, and the cattle,</font></font><p style=”margin: 0in 0in 0pt” class=”MsoNormal”><font size=”3″><font face=”Times New Roman”>            and over all the wild animals</font></font><p style=”margin: 0in 0in 0pt” class=”MsoNormal”><font size=”3″><font face=”Times New Roman”>            and all the creatures that crawl on the ground”</font></font><font face=”Times New Roman” size=”3″> </font> <p style=”margin: 0in 0in 0pt” class=”MsoNormal”><font face=”Times New Roman” size=”3″>God created man in his image;</font><p style=”margin: 0in 0in 0pt” class=”MsoNormal”><font size=”3″><font face=”Times New Roman”>            in the image of God he created him;</font></font><p style=”margin: 0in 0in 0pt” class=”MsoNormal”><font size=”3″><font face=”Times New Roman”>            male and female he created them.</font></font><font face=”Times New Roman” size=”3″> </font> <p style=”margin: 0in 0in 0pt” class=”MsoNormal”><font face=”Times New Roman” size=”3″>God blessed them, saying:</font><p style=”margin: 0in 0in 0pt” class=”MsoNormal”><font size=”3″><font face=”Times New Roman”>            “Be fertile and multiply;</font></font><p style=”margin: 0in 0in 0pt” class=”MsoNormal”><font size=”3″><font face=”Times New Roman”>            fill the earth and subdue it.</font></font><p style=”margin: 0in 0in 0pt” class=”MsoNormal”><font face=”Times New Roman” size=”3″>Have dominion over the fish of the sea, the birds of the air,</font><p style=”margin: 0in 0in 0pt” class=”MsoNormal”><font size=”3″><font face=”Times New Roman”>            and all the living things that move on the earth.”</font></font><p style=”margin: 0in 0in 0pt” class=”MsoNormal”><font face=”Times New Roman” size=”3″>God looked at everything he had made, and he found it very good.</font><font face=”Times New Roman” size=”3″> </font> <p style=”margin: 0in 0in 0pt” class=”MsoNormal”><font face=”Times New Roman” size=”3″>The word of the Lord.</font>

 

Post # 4
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Helper bee
  • Wedding: May 2008

Ok, that didn’t work too well, but it was from the book of genesis where god makes man and women in his image and gives them dominion over all the creatures of the earth.

I don’t think that one is too "sexist"

 

Post # 5
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: February 2018
Post # 6
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: September 2008

I’m not Catholic, so I’m not sure about the exact content of the readings you’re talking about or if it’s even possible to use another one, but I have to respectfully disagree with what Candi said as well. Further, if you think it’s sexist, there’s no way that you can "forget" about it being sexist. Why would you want to read a passage at your wedding ceremony that makes you uncomfortable or that you don’t fully believe in?

Post # 7
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Newbee

I don’t want to speak for God, but I would imagine that honesty and integrity are good values to uphold in this situation, and it sounds like you are trying to use Scripture with integrity.

 Does it give you the choice of the famous Ruth passage or anything from the Song of Songs? 

Post # 8
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Blushing bee
  • Wedding: June 2008

I’m not Catholic, but I am Christian.  We decided to use both an Old and New Testament reading.  

The Old Testament reading will be Psalm 100. 

We’re using 1 John 4:7-16 for the New Testament.  Other options suggested by our pastor were (along with a super brief summary):

New Testament Scripture Readings

Matthew 5:1-12 (the Beatitudes)
Matthew 5:13-16 (you are the light; let your light shine)
Matthew 7:21, 24-29 (like a wise man who built his house on the rock)
Matthew 19: 4-6 (the two will become one)
Matthew 22:35-40 (the great commandment)
John 2:1-11 (the wedding at Cana)
John 15:9-17 (as the Father has loved me, so I have loved you)
Romans 8:31-35, 37-39 (nothing will separate us from the love of Christ)
Romans 12-1-2, 9-18 (let love be genuine)
1 Corinthians 13:1-13 (love is patient and never fails)
Ephesians 3:14-19 the Father from whom every family is named)
Colossians 3:12-17 (love which binds everything together in harmony)
1 John 3:-18-24 (love in truth and action)
1 John 4:7-16 (let us love one another, for love is of God)

While I’m at it, I’m also including the Old Testament readings we were suggested.  I love all of these, particularly the Psalms.

Old Testament Scripture Readings

Genesis 1:26-28-31 (male and female, he created them)
Psalm 33 (rejoice in the Lord, O you righteous)
Psalm 34 (O taste and see that the Lord is good)
Psalm 37:3-7 (trust in the Lord)
Psalm 67 (God be gracious to us and bless us)
Psalm 100 (make a joyful noise to the Lord)
Psalm 136:1-9, 23-26 (O give thanks to the Lord for he is good)
Psalm 145 (great is the Lord and greatly to be praised)
Psalm 148 (praise the Lord from the heavens)
Psalm 150 (praise God in his Sanctuary)
Ecclesiastes 4:9-12 (a cord of three strands)
Song of Solomon 2:10-13, 8:6-7 (many waters cannot quench love)

 I hope that’s helpful!

Post # 9
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Worker bee
  • Wedding: August 2008

Hi!  I had the exact same problem.  There are lots of New Testament readings that talk of love, but not so many from the old testament. 

We went with the Song of Songs reading (place me like a seal on your arm) that is basically a love poem.  I’m sure it’s in the list.  It will be interesting to see if my FH’s friend can get through it without laughing…

There is also a very very short reading from the Book of Ruth that sometimes appears on lists and sometimes not (check with your priest if it’s not on your’s and he may approve).  This reading is about sticking with the other person and going where they go.

I hope those help.

Post # 11
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Blushing bee
  • Wedding: June 2008

I’m totally with you, pattyb.  I hope you’re able to find something that resonates with you both. 

Post # 12
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Newbee
  • Wedding: June 2008

Our priest had no problem letting us go outside Together for Life, which was good, because I had the exact same problems you do (and, by the way, I don’t think sexist is too strong of a word.

 We picked Sirach 6:5-15

 

<p class=”MsoNormal”>A kind mouth multiplies friends, and gracious lips prompt friendly greetings. Let your acquaintances be many, but one in a thousand your confidant. When you gain a friend, first test him, and be not too ready to trust him for one sort of friend is a friend when it suits him, but he will not be with you in time of distress.  Another is a friend who becomes an enemy, and tells of the quarrel to your shame.  Another is a friend, a boon companion, who will not be with you when sorrow comes.  When things go well, he is your other self, and lords it over your servants; but if you are brought low, he turns against you and avoids meeting you. Keep away from your enemies; be on your guard with your friends.  A faithful friend is a sturdy shelter; he who finds one finds a treasure. A faithful friend is beyond price, no sum can balance his worth.<p class=”MsoNormal”>Our second pick was Ecclesiastes 4:9-12<p class=”MsoNormal”> 

Two are better than one, because they have a good return for their work: <span class=”sup”>if one falls down, his friend can help him up. But pity the man who falls and has no one to help him up! <span class=”sup”> Also, if two lie down together, they will keep warm. But how can one keep warm alone?<span class=”sup”> Though one may be overpowered, two can defend themselves. A cord of three strands is not quickly broken.

(the third strand in the cord, by the way, is God)

I hope these help!  I found these and others on the Indie Bride forums – they were a really good resource in picking my readings!

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Post # 13
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Newbee
  • Wedding: June 2008

The passage from Ruth is Ruth 1:16 – 17 and is beautiful.  I am using it on our programs instead of in the ceremony.

Another option from Genesis is Genesis 2:18-24 (and they will be two in one flesh or Genesis 24:48-67 which is the story of Isaac and Rebecca.  My mimister said if we chose this story he would cut out some of the verses during the reading but it would still show the deep love between the two. 

One of the Psalms that I liked was Psalm 127:1-5.  But we are having a Christian ceremony and I am not familiar with Catholic traditions.  Good luck!!

Post # 14
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Blushing bee
  • Wedding: August 2007 - The Wellington House in Fayetteville, NY

We were given a list of readings that we could choose from the church.  We picked Sircah 26: 1-4, 13-16 for the old testament reading. Honestly, by the time picking the readings rolled around, I just didn’t care that much, so we just picked this one.  I don’t even remember why.   It wasn’t too bad…I guess? 

This is what is says: 

"Blessed the husband of a good wife, twice-lengthened are his days; A worthy wife brings joy to her husband, peaceful and full is his life. A good wife is a generous gift bestowed upon him who fears the Lord; Be he rich or poor, his heart is content, and a smile is ever on his face.

A gracious wife delights her husband, her thoughtfulness puts flesh on his bones; A gift from the Lord is her governed speech, and her firm virtue is of surpassing worth. Choicest of blessings is a modest wife, priceless her chaste soul. A holy and decent woman adds grace upon grace; indeed, no price is worthy of her temperate soul. Like the sun rising in the Lord’s heavens, the beauty of a virtuous wife is the radiance of her home."

Post # 15
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Blushing bee
  • Wedding: December 1969

We’re going with the Song of Songs passage that is in that book. It is such cool love poetry. It made me cry. It doesn’t say anything about submission but is great romance!

Post # 16
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Blushing bee

Ugh! I am having the same problem. While I totally agree that the old testament readings we have to choose from were written so long ago that its easy to take htem out of context… its still a little annoying that I was created FOR HIM or I must SERVE HIM. Of course I want to serve him and be a good wife and he will do likewise to me, but it is annoying.

Bluejaywalking… I LOVE LOVE LOVE your reading! I’m totally going to ask if we can use that instead.

 

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