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I feel for you! Sometimes we just need to back off and wait for our darling men to open up. My FI waited 6 months to tell me that he was not going to graduate at his original date because he failed a course and dropped a course. THis was after he told me that he had applied to graduate. He has finally after 2.5 years finished his degree in the the spring, but now we are playing the finding a job game as well. He gets paid minimum wage in the security field, and I am a teacher. He is waiting/dreaming for a government job, that he had 2.5 years ago, went through the training and then due to medical issues had to pass on it. He has now reapplied, and is waiting to go back for training which might happen in 1 month, 1 year or never. The issue with this is that he is not eager to apply to any other jobs, because he doesnt want to start something and then get told he is going for training. It drives me nuts! We have already been "waiting" for 8 months, and no hope in the next 3 months. I try to be supportive but it gets frustrating!!!
My motto is that I can only control so much, and he will resent me and I will resent myself if I keep nagging him. I think that is a good thing that you are going to talk to someone. Perhaps in the future he will come with you. I have learnt over the last 5 years with my Fi that I can make all the dreams I want, but if he does not want that dream there is no point in dreaming.
Good luck! will be thinking of you!
I think it's natural to be upset when expectations are not met. I read your entire post and can understand why this would be stressing you out and can even relate it to somethings in my own life.
Did he hate teaching? What has he said about not pursuing his teaching career?
@labluver: Thanks.
@Mollytov: He said that he liked the students and the job. He didn't like how the teachers were clique-ish? He didn't really explain it very well. He said it was the "environment." But I feel like there is good and bad at every job, and he based that off of the ONE school district where he was a long term substitute and didn't really make friends since it was a temporary thing. I think it may be an expectations thing, and I hope that I just need time to adjust. I think the worst is feeling blindsided and worrying that everything we talked about before we got married as the futures we planned isn't going to be possible. But, too, it bothers me that he wouldn't work on it with me, and even now when I'm at the point of going to counseling about it, I'm on my own.
@Amaryllis: Go and talk it all out with someone. Get your feelings cleared up, in order and then approach it again with him from there.
I feel you on the 'this is actually a big deal' thing. At least, i would think it is. But one step at at a time.
@Mollytov: Thank you! Part of my problem is that I keep wondering if I'm making a big deal out of something that shouldn't be. People change jobs all the time; that's his prerogative, right? But I feel so crappy about it!
Maybe he doesn't want to teach and has realized he enjoys working more with his hands? I only say this because I have a bachelors and masters in accounting and I'm supposed to be working towards my CPA but I've realized I don't really LOVE accounting and wish I could find something I truly enjoy, luckily FI doesn't care either way. Maybe he's just had a change of heart? I would support him if that's what he really wants to do, after a few certs he can make decent money as a mechanic... Probably pretty comparable to a teacher.
I know that you are disappointed that the vision that you both shared and talked about changed for him. That is horribly disappointing and he prob should have come to you as soon as the thoughts first entered his head. That way even you two could keep the lines of communication open and charter new paths together as a united front.
About the labor work. With the shortage of skilled labor in our country, your DH actually has the potential to make much more than what you might think. My DH has been in his field for 16 years and went into it knowing almost nothing, literally he was an apprentice. Within 4 years, he was a full journeyman and making an average of $75,000 per year with benefits that will equal that of teachers. This year, he changed unions and went with a power company and will make double that with rediculously great benefits. He is going to be making more than most of the professionals that I have worked with in politics.
If he decides that he wants to go into a skilled labor union field you are more than welcome to contact me for information. I have become very well versed in the different unions and pay scales just being around them all for the last 5 years. There are some that are better than others, especially in different areas. They do all inhouse training through appentice programs and there is no skill needed to start one.
I know that a change like this can be scary, but it could be a door opening to something exciting. I know what living in limbo is like, we have been there the last two years. Now that my DH has made the decision final, our future is sooo bright and we are both so excited about it. I hope that you two will find that place soon.
If you need to talk, just PM me or I will send you my number.
@Pom227: Agreed!
@Amaryllis: I wonder if he didn't tell you because he knew you were counting on "the plan" and that he'd let you down if he changed it. The thing with life is that it always takes you down the path you don't really expect ;) He absolutely needs to communicate better with you and I can see why you feel blindsided. But I think too, that sometimes you want "something" in life, and when you get it, it just may not be what you expected. Like Pom said, maybe he enjoys working with his hands! Maybe teaching wasn't what it was cracked up to be for him. Everyone gets a chance to follow their heart's desire (or at least that what I try to do), so let him follow his. It could be that it was just that one school that put a bad taste in his mouth. Let him try something else for a while and maybe it'll get out of his system after a while and he may decide to go back to teaching. Or woodworking. Or puppeteering for all you know!
Reverse the roles: Would you rather be in a job you hate because you know it would make your SO happy but be miserable every day, or try something new that you enjoy but make a bit less money while you get your foot in the door?
My BIL was the same way. He was working in one career, and got laid off during the recession. He sort of floundered for a while and then decided to back to school to become an educational assistant. It's not a well paying job by any means and it's really hard work, but for the first time in years he's smiling again and enjoying himself when I see him. It's like night and day.
Give him the opportunity to try this out for a while and see if it's the right fit. You said it yourself, a job is a job, it's the man you love. Talk it out, but give him some time to collect his thoughts about it too. He sounds like he may have a hard time communicating how he feels, so give him some breathing room to figure out how to explain it all to you :)
I would feel completely frustrated and blindsided too if I were in your situation, and I think it's great that you've recognized that therapy will help you work out how you're feeling here. I feel like I've had somewhat similar fears with my dh--I'm in grad school getting a phd, and he has an MA and has been working for 4 years in a job that he sometimes says he hates, sometimes says is fine. The good thing is that it's a stable job, but in the years he's worked there he's realized that his real passion isn't in the field he's in now or the field he did his MA in, but in cooking and the food industry (he has a food blog as his hobby where he writes about food he's cooked and restaurants). his best friend is a chef and he's been pressuring dh to quit his stable job and open a restaurant with him...dh says he knows that that would be really risky and he won't do it, but the prospect is still kind of terrifying! he doesn't have confidence in his education and experience to get him an equally stable, professional job that he likes more than his current one, and he tends to get impatient and discouraged...I'm hoping he won't be too impulsive, but I also don't want to hold him back. There's a line somewhere between being supportive and not letting someone follow their own path, and it's tricky to find it!
I would be really upset and feel completely blindsided. I think the biggest issue is your communication. Why didn't he discuss his job hunt with you, his concerns about teaching, etc? I think you should both talk it out with someone.
ummm...I'm going to be getting my Master's in the next year or two and my FI never went to college. He is the smartest person I know, but he knew school was not for him. The education gap does not have to be an issue unless you make it one, really.
Although education is a big thing for you, it might not be that way for him. If he likes what he is doing, maybe that's what he is meant to do. A job is a job, as PP's have mentioned, and since he is the one that has to work it all day, he should be able to do what he wants.
I do agree that he should communicate with you as to why he does not want to teach. I sort of wonder if since he was having a hard time getting a teaching job if he does not feel rejected and just wants to avoid it altogether. We all know men put a lot of pride in their job...so he might just want to try to be successful where he is instead of facing all of the rejection.
I think it's great that you are going to go talk to someone about your frustrations and fears. Hopefully he will open up to going to a session or two with you in the future, or the tools you gain from counseling will help you open him up as to what is really holding him back.
Bottom line, just make sure he does what makes him happy. You might never know the real reason...he just has to be truly happy. That's all that matters, really, not education level or job title.
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I wasn't going to post this because I do not like sharing private posts, but I'm driving myself crazy thinking about it! I will say up front that I asked my DH to go to couples counseling, and he said no, so I have an appointment for myself to start going next week. I guess I am too impatient to wait till then.
So DH and I met in undergrad. He got his Master's in Education and was a long term substitute teacher all last year. So for this school year, he was looking for a full time regular job. Except he didn't really look. He'd had the sub position until a few weeks before our wedding when school let out, then teaching was in prime hiring season. He hardly looked. I started searching for jobs for him, and he always had excuses or else he just didn't apply and didn't explain. I've asked him about it so much. He didn't want to move away from either me in grad school or his home area where his parents live. Even though he couldn't find a job in either of those places. He applied for a total of 4 jobs, one he was in the final two but lost out to a person with more experience.
It's been a nightmare trying to drag information out of him. I've tried finding jobs for him because I am home or on the computer more than he is. I got him a mock interview and did practice questions with him when he did get the interviews. I've done everything I possibly could to support him. He presently works at a car salvage/junkyard to pay the bills, and we've discussed how it's not a future. Well, a few weeks ago he said that he thinks he wants to give up on teaching and just do labor. I don't really understand why he is changing his mind, and I have some theories, but regardless, he seems pretty determined and is looking at mechanic jobs near my grad school.
I feel kind of blindsided. For the last six months, he's hemmed and hawed and dragged me around about this whole job thing, and now he's completely changing our plans for the future without asking or talking to me about it! I want to be supportive, and I want him to be happy in his job, but I am so upset. I feel like he should have been talking to me about it, and I feel like I was not given any room to object. I keep trying to remind myself that he's still the same person I married, but it's like everything I saw for the future is gone. And he tries to say it will be the same and asks me what I want, but it's hard to articulate the change. He says the money will be comparable, but right now, he's not certified or "skilled" in anything beyond just having extensive experience working on machinery. And it's just so disheartening. I'm getting my PhD so we can't settle down now, but we were engaged through his Master's and mine and we'd talked about this whole future and I just feel like we talked about what we wanted for the future, and now he's changing it. Everyone is allowed to change their careers or their opinions; I understand that, but why not tell me while it was going on? Why not consider that it affects me, too? Why not ask what I think about it, rather than just tell me that you're going to do it, too bad. And then I feel like an even worse person for having a problem with it. Not to mention feeling like I've been lied to for months. I don't know what to think. So he had trouble getting a job, we could work through it together, like how I tried to help him find job postings and things. I feel like it's been me v. him, instead of us v. the world. And for what it's worth, he enjoyed teaching when he was doing it. Part of my frustration is that he complains and won't do things, but if I drag him to something, he always enjoys it anyway. I KNOW and truly believe that if he'd have gotten the teaching job he was in the final 2 for, none of this would be an issue, and he'd be fine teaching.
Sorry. It's kind of late. I'm not sure if this is coherent or not. But I just don't know what to think. I don't mean for it to sound like my biggest issue is money, just that I'm trying to wrap my head around it. I'm getting a PhD and education is hugely important to me. My DH and I talk about couples with gaps because his brother, who has a high school diploma is dating a girl in college and they have some issues, and it's why I broke up with my ex (I was in undergrad and he had just a high school diploma). So even though my DH has a Master's, he's going to work in a job that is essentially high school diploma level. I guess I should have explained that earlier, too. Like he talks differently and acts differently depending on who he is around, and he's like a different person between when he's at the yard and when he was teaching. I worry that he acts differently. When he was teaching, he would get home early, go to the gym, want to talk to me in the evening and be more energetic. In a manual labor job, understandable, he is tired. He goes in early and works late. He is quiet and withdrawn, and he is surrounded by people who make racist/sexist comments all the time. Before, being in school tempered that, but he's been making some pretty objectionable comments. I tell him to stop, and he does, but I can't help but think that it's that kind of culture, which just extends my worry to the future. Is that what it's going to be like? Is he going to turn into a blue collar stereotype?