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Hi Bees. FI and I are due to be married in 8 months and when we got engaged we discussed having kids in which we both said we wanted to have them in at least 5 years. Lately though he has been telling me he thought about it and is very certain he does not want any children. I grew up in a large family and couldn't imagine not having children one day. I love him but this is a huge topic to be on separate pages about! Anyone find themselves in similar situations? I need advice :(
this is really one of those non-negotiable issues unfortunately. Have you asked him why he doesn't?
I would seek counseling to discuss whether or not you can agree on future plans. If you are certain that you want children in the future, and he's positive that he does not, you would be smarter to figure that out before you end up getting married and risk getting divorced in the future because you can't agree.
I'm sorry he seems to have changed him mind, but this is definitely something you will want to work out before you're legally married if having children is a priority for you.
If he is firm on this, and you cannot see your future without children, then this is NOT the man you should marry.
I agree that you will end up very unhappy if you chose to a) marry him and respect his wishes not to have children, despite your desires b) marry him hoping to change his mind or get pregnant anyway.
You guys have to come to an agreement and you still have time. FI and I have decided not to have a large family, but I couldn't marry him if he ruled out children all together.
This is definitely something that needs to be sorted before you get married. And if kids are really what you want and he won't budge, I hate to say it, but, maybe he's not the one?
I agree with all the above posters. This is a really hard thing to negotiate you you should definitely sit down with a mediator or counsellor to discuss it.
If he is 100% that he does not want children then don't marry him thinking that down the track you will be able to change his mind. It's unlikely you will be able to and if you do get pregnant at some point (accidently or intentionally) then it could cause him to be very resentful.
I can't imagine having to make the decision between the man I love and the possibility of future children so I don't envy you and my thoughts are with you. I hope you and your man can talk about this and come up with some answers that satisfy the both of you.
I agree with PPs. You have to have some serious talks about this, and if it is a dealbreaker, let him know that now. I do not think that would be unfair of you, particularly as he is the one with the sudden shift! Let him know how important it is to you, ask why the change of heart, and talk it through.
did he explain why he feels that he no longer wants to be a parent, why he has changed his mind or was he lying before and hoping you would change your mind
*hugs* im sorry, it must be upsetting to deal with this and i hope you can sort this out
@MsJ26: Awww, this must be so upsetting for you to hear! You've already gotten a lot of good comments from PPs, how are you holding up and what are you thinking?
@miss_blondie86: Very well said.
OP, I'm really sorry you're dealing with this :( I think you need to tell him that having kids is extremely important to you, and figure out why he changed his mind, and see if anything can be worked out. Unfortunately this isn't really a "compromise" type issue- it's all or nothing and you both need to be on board with the same thing.
Aww! My heart goes out to you. This is a sticky issue. I have nothing wise to add but sending you a cyber hug. I will be praying for you. I only wish I could do more :(
So sorry you are dealing with this. I agree with everyone that it is definitely something you need to discuss further so you can make an informed decision about what you want for your future. I think counseling is a great idea, especially if it is hard for him (or you) to open up. There are so many feelings that go into something like whether or not to have kids that it can get very messy very quickly.
Definitely, DEFINITELY have a serious discussion about this. My friend was in a similar situation with her husband (she entered into the marriage knowing he didn't want children), and ultimately, it lead to them getting divorced. =/
Thanks for all the advice. We were up all night discussing it and he is really serious about not wanting to have kids. He changed his mind because his family is not close and is afraid his kid would turn out like his brothers did (only coming around when they need something). Also he thinks that they are a lot of money, etc. I come from the other end where my family is very supportive and we are all close. No matter what I say, he is really stuck on not wanting to have kids and I know this is a potential deal breaker. I told him we probably shouldn't get married then because I am afraid he won't change his mind and I won't change mine either. He doesn't want to call the wedding off but realizes that I am right. I really don't know what to do at this point and am shocked this is coming up. I hate the fact I have to go off to work and put on a "happy" :(
I am so, so sorry. As hard as it will be, if you are both certain you won't change your minds on this issue, then this is not meant to be. I can only imagine how you are feeling right now. ((((Hugs))))
That really stinks. I don't wnt kids, and made it very clear to hubs before we got married that I wouldn't change my mind. Now, neither of us want them, but I made absolutely sure that before we got married, he was committed to the fact that we weren't having kids. I think its really great you are having this discussion before marriage, but you both need to be on the same page with each other before you get married, or one of you will have to give in and likely be miserable ((HUGS))
Oh no, this is horrid. I know a couple who married without having the kid talk. She thought she could persuade him but never could. She came to terms with it eventually, and they now have a lot of cats. They're happy from what I know.
He says you're right but he doesn't want to call off the wedding and still doesn't want kids when you do. Has he offered a solution? Because these things can't go hand in hand.
I can only imagine how you feel. Big hugs!
I am so sorry you are going through this.
But I just have to say, that I am really proud of you for having this talk with him and being open about the possibilty of calling off the wedding. It was really brave of you, and it shows the amazing amount of strength you have.
@MsJ26: From the rationale he gave you for not wanting kids (they may turn out badly), it sounds like maybe he's having cold feet about the kids issue much like some people do about marriage (it may not work out/we may get divorced)... I wonder if, since he did want kids at one point, this is based on a fear that a counselor could help him work through. I think it would be a little different if he always said he didn't want kids, but I wonder if he isn't just freaking out now because he is closer to the reality of the situation. I agree it's important not to get married if you can't agree on this issue but it sounds like there is maybe more to explore here. Good luck and sorry you are going through this.
I am so very sorry!
I have to agree with the PP's that this isn't something you should over look hoping someone will change their minds.
I would strongly suggest not marrying him...because if you do you will forever resent his decision.
After reading all the posts, I would recommend what another Bee did. I'd try to seek some couples counseling. It sounds like his decision is coming from a place of fear. Maybe it's something you both can work through with the help of a professional. If he's not willing to see this through with you, then unfortunately, it might be better to call it off. I would hate for you to let go of your hopes and dreams for the future for your husband. Eventually, that will lead to resentment.
So sorry this is something you have to deal with.... I hope you two can work it out.
Wow, this is heartbreaking. Neither of you should have to compromise on such a huge decision and you can't very well get married with each of you hoping the other will have a change of heart. Good luck and keep us posted...
I am so sorry that you have to go through this. :(
If you want kids and he doesn't, I don't think you can marry him and be truly happy. It can only end in ultimate resentment, either from your side if you don't have kids, or from his side if you do.
@laurelina and @Merelton: <---THIS. his rationale for changing his mind sounds like he's "chickening out" vs truly, deep down, doesn't want to be a parent. counseling can help sort this out. kind of a fear of failure sort of thing...you want to do something, but decide not to because you don't want to risk screwing it up. it might be a good idea to postpone the wedding until you can get it sorted, but i wouldn't call it off completely just yet. if you can't get it sorted, then...well, the children thing is kind of a dealbreaker issue.
oh my, I am so sorry. Yes, this type of issue is usually a deal breaker and one thing to be thankful for is that he told you now, instead of after the wedding.
Try to seek out counseling, even if it is just a few sessions, before calling anything off or making any big decisions. That way you can explore all possible avenues before making a choice...
I'm sending you a hug because I know this would destroy me right now if my FI came out and said this. Let us know how you are and what you guys have talked about since! *hug*
I'm sorry to hear about this, but I'm so glad you're brave enough to talk about this. FI (he was BF then) & I were together for years when I changed my mind about wanting marriage & kids. But I was too chicken to have "the talk". Couples therapy didn't help, b/c as a PP mentioned.. that's sort of one of those non-negotiable things. Honestly, at the end, it was hell. I was so resentful and angry (even though I'd told myself I didn't care, because I loved him). It was not a thing that "got better".
Fortunately, he figured out he wanted the same things after a while and a breakup. That was more helpful than therapy, for us, because it gave him perspective and time to work through why he was against marriage/kids. Hopefully a therapist will be more helpful for you guys.
Soo sorry. Children is a non-negotiable issue, period. One of you will be dissatisfied, no matter what because there is no compromise on this. You guys should have a talk about why he is suddenly feeling this way. If he can't change his mind, you might want to consider ending the relationship. You will never be happy if you don't fill that void, which will just ruin the marriage, anyway. A counselor might be of some help. It really sucks when you first get into a relationship and the other person puts up false pretenses to impress you, then you find out once you're invested that they've lied. I had that happen to me once. I met a guy and he was great. He told me he wanted two kids and to get married. After a few months he admitted he was against marriage and didn't want kids because *surprise* he had a daugther he hadn't seen in years and felt guilty.
@Pinksapphire: !! I would be all like
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(emoticons are taking over. I need more sleep.)
Oh boy, do I know this one. Because of our ages, FI said lets try to get pregnant. After 2 months of trying decided he didn't want kids. Devastating. Took a long time to recover. But I love him so much that we stayed together, and now, its too late, I'm too old. I still that empty pang.
Thank you again for all the great comments. I really do appreciate it and it helps to get different perspectives. I came home early from work because I am feeling really sad. I talked with him again earlier and from what I get from it I think he seriously thinks I am going to change my mind and marry him anyway with the fact that we are not going to have kids. But I won't give in. And he won't give in. He was actually tearing up over the fact that I am serious about wanting to call off the wedding if we can't agree. And the tough thing is I don't want to give him an ultimatum by any means, I want him to want kids too. But I feel like even if he says "ok, I change my mind, let's just have kids" then he is settling and that isn't fair to him either. His idea of a perfect life is to work and then retire early. I wish I would have known that before we got engaged or even before our 6 years of being in a relationship together. He said he really started to think about the kid thing the other day when he called his dad to wish him a happy birthday. Here is his dad, a lonely older man who sat by the phone all day waiting for someone to call him to wish him a happy birthday but no one did but my FI. He was sad about that because his dad put a lot of effort into raising him and his brothers. I told him at least he had YOU to call him on his b-day!
I do agree with some of the bees who said that he is stating the fact he doesn't want to have kids out of fear and the clock is ticking closer to the wedding, it is becoming more of a reality to him. He told me maybe he will change his mind but can not guarantee it and does not want this to end in divorce 5 years down the road when I want to have kids and he doesn't. I know he is scared to have kids and honestly so am I but I know it can be a beautiful thing, I saw it while growing up in my family. But him on the other hand, his family is so distant from eachother. I can suggest counseling but it still isn't a guarantee he is going to deep down want a family :(
Aww...@MsJ26: your update made my heart hurt!
My FI's family is distant, mine is not. He wants to retire early, too, so he said if we are going to have kids, we should do it sooner rather than later. When I met my FI, he didnt' want marriage or kids but soon after he realized that he wanted it...he never said why, but I think because his own family is so distant and dramatic, he wants a family of his own to be close with and love.
I do find it strange that after 6 years, he is just telling you/just realizing this now. I sort of wonder if this is something that he always knew, but didn't know how to tell you. Neither one of you should have to 'settle'. If you want a family, you should be able to have one. If he can't promise to change his mind and doesnt want a divorice, he is putting you in a hard spot, because eventually this could lead you to splitting up. If you dream of being a mother, you shouldn't have to put that aside.
Everyone has given you great advice. I just want to chime in to give more support.
If marriage is about compatibility, and you want children and he now for sure does not, then that goes on the non-negiotable list... meaning you need to rethink marrying him as you potentially be missing out on a life and life experience that is very important to you.
Maybe put the wedding on hold and focus on figuring this out first.
Hugs!
@soyjoy222: I would think he would want a family as well so he can have someone to be close with. I just don't understand it.
We had a few days to cool off and he is still hell bent on not wanting to have kids. We are actually splitting up and calling off the wedding because of this. I still ask him, hoping that maybe he changed his mind, if he wants to have kids and follow me on my journey in life (sounds like a sappy book but how better can I explain it!) and he looks at me with all seriousness and says "No, I will never want kids". Makes me really sad :(. I am so blind sided by all this. My sister thinks it is silly to split up over something like this because she seems to think we don't know what we want in 5 or so years. But how can I go into marriage knowing his feelings about this?? That is just asking for trouble. Is this normal for guys to not want a family??
I am so sorry to hear what you're going through. At least you found out before you got married and I know it may hurt a lot right now but if you're going to have a future with someone you have to be looking some what in the same direction.
I would say that is a deal breaker, you want children and he doesn't there is no compromise there.
Even if you don't know what you want 5 years from now it is not a silly thing at all.
One of you will not be happy, or start to resent each other which will inevitably cause you to get a divorce.
Unless he truly decides himself that he does want to become a father.
Can you truly see a future with someone that never wants to have children when you want them.
@MsJ26: If he is adamant about not having kids, its best for you to separate. Before I met DH, I was in 2 longterm relationships that ended because my exes didnt want children. The first ex I thought I could change his mind but like your FI, h wouldnt budge. Yes he had a horrible childhood but my ex wasone of the most compassionate ppl I have encountered. A natural w/ kids but he made his decision before we met and his love for me wasn't going to change his decision. Another ex told me he wanted kids and then 2 yrs in decided otherwise. Devastated. So after that I began to ask potentials very early in the dating process. When DH and I met that was discussed w/in our first 3 dates. Yes, we are both in our 40s so there wasnt time for BS.
I know this hurts like Hell right now but I commend you for following your heart. I have a really good friend going through a divorce because he changed his mind 6 months in.(He wants kids and his wife doesnt) Another friend was going through a divorce after 5 yrs of marriage cause his wife decided she didnt want kids after all. Now she wants to have kids but its only to please him. In essence, follow your heart.
@MsJ26: No, I don't think it's normal for men to be adamant about not wanting to build a family. I think it is normal to become nervous as time draws near because it's something you haven't done before.
I agree with a majority of the PP's that it most likely stems from the fear of how his family is now. It's like he can't see the good through all the bad. You said he was the only one to call and wish his dad happy birthday and it made him really sad that no one else called him. Well, I wonder if he even entertained the thought that if his father never had kids, then that birthday would have been even lonelier.
I think it was really smart and mature of you to lay down how you felt and stick to it, even if it meant breaking off the wedding plans. I have seen too many people just push those feelings aside when it comes to making a family or other huge life steps simply because they didn't want to miss out on the wedding. Then, they had one hell of a messy (and expensive) divorce later.
Not to mention, if you were to marry him and end up pregnant, then if he truly didn't want any kids, you would all be miserable. Not just him. He would be resentful and you would be hurt and you would have this sweet child wondering what they are doing wrong.
You definitely made a smart decision. Who knows what the real reason is that he all of a sudden pulled that twist on you. It's best he sorts out his emotions. Now, you have time to cool down and hopefully take the best path for you.
Good luck, and I just want you to know how strong I think you are. That was a really hard thing to do, but definitely the best decision.
Thank you bees. All the kind words and advice help me know I am making the right decision. I have been staying elsewhere because I told him I wanted him to sort out his emotions. I made that decision because as time went on and as we had stopped talking about the child thing, we would act like nothing was wrong with our relationship. I didn't want this to subside without solving the issue and I also didn't want to drag our relationship on anymore. I told him to sort out his feelings, let me be for awhile, don't drag me on because I am not changing my mind. He kept calling me to come home, we had a discussion and he said he realized that he did not want to lose me at all and that he would be ok with having children (there was a compromise on how many kids he wanted and I was fine with that). I have to admit, I am relieved at his decision because I love him and I know he would make a great father and that him not wanting kids was based solely on fear. But I am a little skeptical on whether this is what he truly wants and he made this decision not to lose me. He assures me that this is what he wants. I guess there is no way of telling whether that is what he truly wants besides to believe him and follow my heart (like another bee said!). So as of right now, the wedding is back on! (This has been an emotional roller coaster ride...sheesh).
@MsJ26: I'm not sure you can know if it is truly what he wants. I would recommend counselling still, as the best way to find out what you both want and reconcile the two things. I know a couple who broke up because he didn't want kids (he already grown-up kids, she had none, she was nearing 40). She went off half way across the world for a little while to get over the heartbreak. He ended up flying over there to beg her to take him back, agreeing to have children. They weren't his first choice but SHE was his first choice, so he compromised and now he has her, they got engaged and married and they have 2 kids. They're happy. This can work out for you too, but you are very loving and caring and doing the right thing to question if he will be happy. It is possible that he will be, but as I said, I recommend counselling to really think this over together. Best of luck!
@VickyAurea: I liked that story about the people you know.
Sometimes to keep the people you love, you have to do things you might not want for them. I hope that you can get through this and in a few years, when you have some kids together, you look at each other and laugh about him saying he never wanted them...I think a lot of men go through this and then when the baby is here, they can't believe they ever said no.
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