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Here’s a link to the story: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/17/nun-gives-birth-baby-italy-francis_n_4619218.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular
A Salvadorean nun who said she had no idea she was pregnant gave birth in Italy this week after she felt stomach cramps in her convent and was rushed to hospital, Italian media reported on Friday.
The 31-year-old mother and her baby boy, who weighs 3.5 kilograms (7.7 pounds), are doing well and other new mothers in Rieti hospital have begun collecting clothes and donations for her, the reports said.
“I did not know I was pregnant. I only felt a stomach pain,” the nun was quoted as saying at the hospital, the Italian news agency ANSA reported.
La Repubblica said she gave birth on Wednesday.
ANSA said the nun had named her baby Francesco (Francis) — also the pope’s chosen title and one of the most popular names in Italy, where St Francis of Assisi is the much-loved national patron saint.
The hospital could not be reached for comment.
The nun belongs to the “Little Disciples of Jesus” convent in Campomoro near Rieti, which manages an old people’s home and reports said she would keep the baby.
Her fellow nuns were quoted saying they were “very surprised”.
Maybe I’ve been watching too many “I didn’t know I was pregnant” episodes on TLC, but what an interesting story. I’ve also seen people speculating like crazy about how exactly she became pregnant — opinions seem to vary from the possibility that she was raped (horrifying) to the possibility that she was a brand new nun who may have become pregnant before becoming a nun.
I also didn’t know that she would be allowed to keep the baby (I’m assuming in the convent? Not sure). I hope both she and the baby receive support from the church.
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@MrsEdamame: Goodness. I hope she wasn’t raped! I actually know someone who went into the convent not knowing she was pregnant. She figured it out, though, and left. Odd though.
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@MexiPino: Interesting! I suppose that is a very plausible story, that she joined less than 9 months ago and just happened to get pregnant directly before entering the convent.
I’m not Catholic, so I don’t know how they will handle her pregnancy. I’ve been thinking about this nun since hearing about this yesterday, hoping that she isn’t excommunicated from the church or something!
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Ummm okay.I guess someone was sneaking out or into the convent for some nookie.
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@MrsEdamame: From the NY Post:
“A nun in an Italian convent went to the hospital with what she thought were stomach pains — and ended up giving birth.
The 31-year-old Roxana Rodriguez insisted she didn’t know she was pregnant. ‘It’s not possible, I’m a nun,’ she allegedly told doctors in Rieta.
‘It would be preferable that she now lead a secular life with her baby, away from religious institutions,’ a spokesman for the local bishop said.”
Her quote made me think that she had been with the convent long enough that it really wouldn’t have beem possible for her to get pregnant and then join the convent. At least the bishop is supportive of her having a life with the baby.
Also, those “I didn’t know I was pregnant” stories really freak me out. According to this Jezebel article:
“…a surprisingly high one in six hundred women has no idea she’s pregnant. Maybe not into the 9th month, but much longer than one would think possible. And no, they’re not all mentally ill or so heavy that they don’t notice the weight gain, but come from all walks of life. A surprising number, according to new studies, are women who’ve had children before.”
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@MissMarple: I totally didn’t read the Bishop’s quote as supportive. To me, it sounds as if the only thing he is supportive of is her being outcast from religion and forced to live a secular life. Sure it is with her baby, but he sounds all too ready to shun her. It’s not like he has the authority to take her baby away from her. It sounds like his comment is oozing with shame and distaste. It would be perferable for her live a secular (non-religious) life away from religious institutions? No, not all religious institutions have their heads so far up their asses so as to shun a woman for having a child outside of wedlock. Sure, she broke her vows as a nun, but she’s human FFS. I mean, I can understand not allowing her to be a nun anymore, but preferring that she become non-religious because of this? How idiotic of a statement is that? PLEASE tell me that isn’t the typical Catholic POV on child born out of wedlock…
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@LynnSnow: Some nuns live in normal society (secular) as opposed to in a convent (or the like), not because they have done anything wrong but because they earn a living and spread the word or just help people in their daily lives or live close to where they do charitable work… so I took it as this was the best option for her and her child. I didn’t take it as they were kicking her out… but obviously I don’t know all the details.
I’ve known a couple people raised in convents and they said it was a shock to move into the “real world”. I mean, imagine living in this womens camp, timed by what religious things you need to do when, then as a new adult you’re thrust into the real world. 🙁 So much is unfamiliar, you don’t know what is normal, etc.
It’s a very tough call all around, does she (the nun) have skills and support to raise the child?
Obviously something had to happen where she knew she could get pregnant. So part of the situation is her responsibility or her tragedy if she was raped, but still I feel they should at least help her transition so she could best raise her child.
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@MrsEdamame: If she had sex, one would think she would know it was a possibility. I hope she isn’t going to say it was immaculate conception. How could she keep the baby and still be a nun? That doesn’t make a lot of sense to me.
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@MrsTangerine: The term religious institution is too broad for it to sound supportive to me.
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@LynnSnow: I said at least he’s supportive of her having a life with the baby, and he definitely supports that. For some reason at 3 am that surprised me…not sure what I was thinking because Catholics are pretty pro keeping babies.
Btw, I interpreted “secular life” = “not being a nun” and “away from religious institutions” = “not living in a religious institution.”
I don’t think anyone can know how much meaning was lost in translation, but the fact of the matter is that no one can be banned from attending mass or worshipping. I’m a non-religious person so I don’t have a horse in this race, but I didn’t assume he was suggesting kicking her out of the religion because I don’t see that as being possible.
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@MexiPino: That’s what I immediately assumed too. It would add up to an unhealthy amount of denial.
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At least she’s not calling it an immaculate conception…yet.
I’m not sure why people would jump to speculate she was raped. Maybe she just decided to have sex. It’s really not that far fetched that a relgiious person would do something they weren’t supposed to. Humans have undeniable urges.
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@MrsWBS: She’s not going to call it an “Immaculate Conception” bc (contrary to popular belief) the “Immaculate Conception” does NOT refer to Mary getting pregnant with Jesus without having sex, it refers to Mary’s MOTHER who got pregnant in the NORMAL way – the “Immaculate” part is just the Mary was conceived sinlessly. (So, this lady is a nun, and presumably would know all that.)
@LynnSnow: I totally didn’t read the Bishop’s quote as supportive. To me, it sounds as if the only thing he is supportive of is her being outcast from religion and forced to live a secular life. Sure it is with her baby, but he sounds all too ready to shun her. It’s not like he has the authority to take her baby away from her. It sounds like his comment is oozing with shame and distaste. It would be perferable for her live a secular (non-religious) life away from religious institutions? No, not all religious institutions have their heads so far up their asses so as to shun a woman for having a child outside of wedlock. Sure, she broke her vows as a nun, but she’s human FFS. I mean, I can understand not allowing her to be a nun anymore, but preferring that she become non-religious because of this? How idiotic of a statement is that? PLEASE tell me that isn’t the typical Catholic POV on child born out of wedlock…
I’m sorry, it sounds like you have some pretty bitter baggage against churches and religion in general, given how quickly you jumped to conclusions about what that bishop said and meant, and I’d just like to attempt to correct them. First of all, keep in mind you are reading a TRANSLATION of what he said, so it’s rather pointless to argue over the nuances of what “away from religious institutions” means, as it’s likely slightly different in the original language. However, I’ve heard similar phrases occasionally in other situations, and NO, he’s NOT kicking her out of religion, he’s suggesting that she not live in her particular religious institution/convent, which is for single, celibate women, not unwed mothers! (The Catholic Church offers plenty of homes for unwed mothers….the average convent just isn’t one of them.)
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@MrsEdamame: I saw this yesterday, and then I read all of the speculations (rape, pregnant before becoming a nun, etc.) All I could think was is it so difficult to imagine that a nun had sex and got pregnant!? LOL I’m sure it happens more than you hear about, but the nuns probably know they are pregnant before they go into labor!
Post # 16
@red_rose: it was just a joke.