Post # 1
I hope this thread doesn’t get too controversial, but I wanted to vent about something that’s been bugging me. I think I gave it some thought today because I was listening to religious-type Christmas music.
A girl I know has been known to openly say she doesn’t believe in God and that people who do are pretty lame. She has said some very rude stuff. I never fight back because this girl is really really awful and I wouldn’t want to be on her bad side. But it’s hurtful because I was raised Catholic and now attend an Anglican church, and I find her comments so ignorant.
Anyways, all over facebook the last couple weeks she’s been talking about buying Christmas gifts and baking Christmas cookies, putting up a tree, etc. and I am just starting to get a bit irritated.
How can you celebrate Christmas when you think God is “lame”?
Post # 3
I agree, completely. But his might be the one connection she has to God. She might not believe it now. But something about the Christmas season might open her eyes one day. Here’s hoping and praying.
Post # 4
It shouldn’t be called Christmas, it should be called Consumermas. So much of the stuff surrounding the holiday has nothing to do with religion, and unless you’re going to church and have that mindset already, all the traditions are just a way of experiencing the warm fuzzies.
Your question reminds me of this great joke. “What do you say to an atheist who sneezes? When you die, nothing happens?” 😛
At any rate, the ironic self-righteousness of some non-religious people can be obnoxious, especially around holidays like Christmas. Bah humbug to them. 🙂
Post # 5
I think it’s pretty insensitive of her to put down religion just because she’s an atheist. But regarding celebrating Christmas – would you be against Jews celebrating it because they don’t believe in Jesus? I think it’s a little exclusive to say Christmas is just for Christians.
Post # 6
For us “non-believers”, Christmas is about celebrating family, friends, love, appreciation for others- all things that 1) Jesus preached and 2) even us agnostics believe in (imagine this!). Why does Christmas have to be about God and religion, and why can’t it be about the importance of family? Afterall, that’s all Jesus really wanted anyway. Seems like such a belief can be unnecessarily devisive.
Post # 8
I’m not really religious but I still like Christmas. It’s just a tradition from childhood (raised Catholic) and for me, it’s grown to symbolize all the things that Alissa mentioned.
Post # 9
Thanks everyone for their comments.
@alissa70- Well, simply put, Christmas is a Christian holiday celebrating the birth of Jesus!
I don’t necessarily get upset about non-Christians celebrating Christmas. I know that it’s become somewhat of a consumer holiday anyways. The big problem I guess is how awful she is and how badly she puts down the Christian faith, but then has no problem celebrating Christmas and accepting gifts from people. I just think it’s unbelievably hypocritical.
Post # 10
Maybe you shouldn’t lump every nonreligious person in with this girl you know. I’m sure she would be awful even if she called herself a Christian.
For lots of people, even those who believe in God, Christmas is not celebrated in any kind of religious way. When I was a kid, my parents hardly ever mentioned Jesus or God in relation to Christmas. We focused on spending time together as a family, and eating too much ham and Santa and Rudolph. 🙂
As an adult, I do not believe in God, but I still enjoy Christmas. Going through all the tradition and ritual reminds me of what it was like when I was a child, and it’s something I intend to pass on to any children I have.
Post # 11
Agree with Alissa. Though I do think it is rude of your friend to diss religion, I sometimes feel like people are preaching their religion to me as well. I think everyone should let others believe what they want and not bother others about it unless they ask!
Post # 12
@JoesWifey – I respect that 🙂 But do you go around putting down Christians and calling God lame? I suspect not lol.
Post # 13
This girl sounds like a real pain in the neck. Just because she is super self-righteous about being an athiest and doesn’t mean she needs to go around labelling those whole believe in God as “lame”. Self-rightousness is a quality I really dislike in anyone, wether they are non-religious or religious.
That said, for many the Christmas/God connection just doesn’t exist. For example, my FI grew up in a family that celebrated Christmas, but his parents were Buddhist. They didn’t focus on the birth of Christ, but did focus on spending time together as a family, putting up decorations, and doing Christmas baking. For them (and many, religious or not), Christmas is really just about spending time with your loved ones. And this is really evident when I visit them over the holidays.
Now, Minutiae has a great point. Unfortunately, Christmas has outwardly evolved into a consumerist holiday where the more presents you get your loved ones equates to how good of a Christmas they have. Yikes! I guess what I am trying to say is, wether one is religious or not, Christmas is really just about being with your family and appreciating each other.
Post # 14
I agree that Christmas means different things to different people. To each their own.
Post # 15
I am really hurt that people think I am being judgemental! Please do not think I am lumping people in with her. I thought I made the post pretty clear that it’s her who is my problem.
For the record I do not think she is an awful person because she is not a Christian… wow. I really don’t think my post was written that way.
Also, I am not preaching!!! And I don’t preach, ever. But if someone is going to sit there and say rude things about things I believe in, I think I am entitled to say something and be upset about it.
Post # 16
Ditto Alissa x2.
This is a bit of a contentious issue…and this isn’t intended to be taken the wrong way, but in all fairness, as an atheist, I do not think God is lame, because that would imply I believe in God.