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    tempertemper    June 1, 2013  

    Posting under an alias on this one so no one recognizes me, but I need to vent and this seems like the best place to do it.  FI and I had a huge fight this morning, and I won't get to talk to him until tonight after work and I have no idea how that's going to go.  It's a stupid argument, but I don't feel like I'm in the wrong on this one and I refuse to back down.  

    FI has a horrible temper.  He has NEVER aimed it at me (never touched me, never takes anything out on me in any way, etc.) but it's sometimes like living with a large toddler prone to temper tantrums.  If something happens that he doesn't like, he ends up yelling and swearing up a storm.  It gets annoying, but I know it's pretty harmless and generally just tune him out.  My father, who is the world's biggest softie, is also prone to yelling and my mom always does the same thing, shakes her head and walks away.  As someone with a short fuse, I understand how sometimes it's easy to get frustrated with little things and want to yell too, so this REALLY isn't a big deal, and I don't think it's an underlying sign of impending abuse or doom.  

    The other player in this argument is our 6 year old dog.  She is very sweet and lovey and wants nothing more than to be close to her mama since I rescued her 2 years ago, but she has a habit of carrying our things around the house.  She's a retriever, so she thinks she's being nice by 'bringing' us anything she can find, but she also tends to lose things which results in us searching the house for that other shoe, the jacket we left hanging on a dining room chair, things like that.  Most of the time it's my stuff, but sometimes it's his stuff too.  Lately, it's been the winter hat he wears to work everyday.  If she can get to it, she takes it and carries it around.  He always gets annoyed in the morning when he can't find it, even though I tell him ALL THE TIME not to leave it where she can get to it.  Leaving it on the couch in the den, or on the dining room chair next to his coat, or anyplace else is not a good idea.  Hang your coat on the coat rack, put your hat in your coat pocket, or don't get mad when she takes it.  Common sense.  

    Well, this morning he couldn't find his hat again.  Please keep in mind that it was 5:00 in the morning, I haven't had much sleep lately for other reasons, I am coming down with a sinus infection and my head feels like it's going to explode.  So with all of this happening, he is tearing through the house yelling, swearing, slamming things, you get the idea.  I get up to try to help him find it, and he snaps at me 'Is there any other hat I could wear?' to which I yell back through gritted teeth 'I don't know'.  He keeps yelling, saying how he can't go to work with no hat (he drives a truck but does have to be outside sometimes...not all day), he hasn't had a hair cut lately, blah blah blah.  I walk into our bedroom to see if the dog has dropped his hat in there, and my dog is laying on our bed.  When I tried to get her to come down, she cowered behind me burying her head in my legs and shaking.  That's when I lost it, because even though he wasn't yelling at anyone, he had terrified my neurotic rescue dog who was abused previously and I vowed I would never subject her to anything like that again.  Seeing her shake set me over the edge, so I started screaming (and I'm not a yeller, so the decible shocked even me) at him to stop being ridiculous, he knows she takes things and he leaves everything wherever he wants so it's his own fault, I'm sick of always listening to him yell about everything, that every single time he doesn't get his way I have to hear about it, he terrified the poor dog who is cowering behind me and shaking because he's pissed off at something that's his own fault.  It was bad, but I felt like a mama bear who had to defend her cub.  He yelled back that he wasn't yelling at me, and I said it didn't make a differene since I had to be woken up by it anyway.  It ended with him putting gel in his hair (which I had to find for him) and him mumbling 'Fine, then I just won't bother you with this stuff anymore' and leaving with a 'See you later' instead of the nice kiss goodbye I usually get (not that I expected it) after silence for a good 20 minutes.  

    Now, I realize that screaming at him about how I couldn't stand his constant yelling was a little backwards, but I couldn't help it.  Plus, I think he needed to know what it felt like to be the person on the other end, listening to someone else yell and carry on.  It's one thing to be frustrated, or to always feel the need to complain about something, but the yelling and slamming to the point that my dog was shaking with fear??  No, I won't have that.  I have told him in the past (nicely) that he needs to calm himself down, go on a pill for anxiety if he needs it, something because I don't like the constant fits of his.  I've also pointed out that he has a really good life now, he has a good job, a new family that cares about him, a nice house, a fiance that loves and supports him...so any prior bad stuff in his life needs to be worked out and he needs to move on.  So he has crazy parents he barely speaks to, it's over.  Either work it out with them or don't, but don't hold it all in and yell at the computer when it freezes, or other mundane little things.  He's always upset about something (the hat, work is stressful, the remote needs new batteries, the lamp in the den is out, his car needs work, his head hurts, it's always something).  He is a wonderful person, he has a big heart of gold, and even though he rarely says the 'right' things and isn't a romantic gesture kind of person, he spoils me and loves me and we generally have a happy little life together.  This, however, needs to stop.  I won't live my life 'hiding' in the other room pretending not to hear his rants, or trying to hurry up and find whatever it is that he's lost so he can calm down.  I also will not raise children in a home where their father is always angry.  It's a stupid fight over a $5 hat, but I can't just let it go and apologize for yelling at him unless he admits he has an anger problem and does something about it.  I don't want to leave him, I don't want to break up, I just want him to see that this isn't OK and I won't put up with it.

    Am I in the wrong?  What do I say to him tonight when we get home?  Do I apologize for flying off the handle but tell him he needs to stop his tantrums?  Do I tell him the tantrums need to stop before I apologize?  I hate this...and I know he'll spend all day brewing and either come home not speaking to me, or come home mad that I yelled and we'll argue anyway.  We don't fight often, and when we do we always resolve it right away but this was a big one and I hate spending all day brewing (as is he) about it unable to talk to him.  

     
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    Eva Peron    November 2011  

    Sounds like you and your dog coud use more calm and safe environment. Personally I would have trouble being with someone liek that. They are unreliable in their emotions, and you never know what will tip them off. It is like walking on eggshels. Also you don't know if they will become violent or even destructive. Just imagine having a kid....is this what you want them to see and learn?

     
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    2PeasinaPod       Philadelphia

    So, I don't think yelling back at him was necessarily the right thing to do, but I can completely understand why you did it. Your poor dog...he's the innocent one in all of this and it's affecting him. So that would absolutely be the first thing that I say to him when he gets home. His tantrums are unacceptable b/c they affect other people and the dog. And when you have kids, they're going to feel the same way that your dog did...that whatever he's screaming about is their fault. And that's just not right.

    It sounds like he needs some counseling to figure out what he's so angry about. You mentioned his parents, and if that's what's causing all of this, then he needs to talk with someone about it. Screaming and slamming things b/c he can't find his hat isn't going to work. 

     
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    Baimee       Santa Rosa, California

    " This, however, needs to stop.  I won't live my life 'hiding' in the other room pretending not to hear his rants, or trying to hurry up and find whatever it is that he's lost so he can calm down.  I also will not raise children in a home where their father is always angry. " 

    Say that to him. I have a dad like that and it freaking sucked. Being 7 years old and sitting in his truck while he goes offthe deep end because he can't find something? NOT fun.

    Your poor dog. I wouldn't be a happy camper about that either.

    He sounds like a big baby. He should find his own damn stuff and take care of it. I had a boyfriend like that. Drove me INSANE. "Where/s my hair gel?" "In the cupboard." "I can't find it. Can you help?" "Ugh." I'd pick it up and hand it to him since it was RIGHT AT THE FRONT "Oh, I didn't see it."

    I can't imagine spending forever with that.

    You need to tell him you won't put up with that crap. 


    ETA: Also, this behavior is not really 'ok'. I'd hedge a bet if you had a daughter with a guy who acted this way you wouldn't approve. I'm sure he's a great guy, but he needsto get this under control.

     
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    spaneshal    October 19, 2012   UK

    Are you describing my home life? Seriously if your FI has never laid a finger on you or aimed abusive comments at you, I would take this as your FI just being annoyed.

    My FI is forever looking for keys, things for work in a rush, and when things go wrong he often starts shouting, swearing and sometimes throw things about. But then again he has always done this for as long as I've known him, and I just keep away and let him chill out on his own. Our dog also gets shaky when he starts getting agitated, but it's a normal reaction.

    I say just talk to your partner and tell him his actions are getting worse and he needs to do something about it. Mine went to a therapist and a course for anger management and it worked, he sees everything in a different way when something starts to bug him. However I would say if his actions start to aim your way, then do not live in fear and really confront him about him behaviour. If he so much dares to hit you though, don't stay - run.

    But yeah, I think in these cases frustration and stress is just getting to him. Perhaps arrange for a few days away to chill and relax?

     
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    atalante    May 19, 2012  

    Yeah, that's how my parents interacted sometimes too. And I used to start fights like that with my FI also. It came down to hearing almost the exact same words coming out of my mouth for me to realize it, and then I had to train myself out of it. Now when I'm upset I literally look for the trigger-phrases, take a deep breath, and start again.

    I'm not sure that helps, but if you guys can talk this over and he can see how it affects you and how ineffective his behavior is, maybe he'll be willing to work on it.

     
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    I really like what you said here:

    "He is a wonderful person, he has a big heart of gold, and even though he rarely says the 'right' things and isn't a romantic gesture kind of person, he spoils me and loves me and we generally have a happy little life together.  This, however, needs to stop.  I won't live my life 'hiding' in the other room pretending not to hear his rants, or trying to hurry up and find whatever it is that he's lost so he can calm down.  I also will not raise children in a home where their father is always angry."

    I would first start by apologizing for yelling, and then explain to him what you said above.  That you love him and he is a wonderful person and he makes you happy, but that you won't put up with the anger tantrums any more, and will not raise children with him until he's able to control it.  Be very careful not to come across in such a way that will make him defensive.  just make it clear you are on his side, and will do what it takes to keep your lives together happy.

    I'm not sure what will help him with his outbursts, but you should help him come up with a solution, whether it be counseling, or him just putting forth that extra effort to keep his anger under control. 

    Good luck!

     
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    lovekiss    October 9, 2011   Maryland

    1. Apologize. An apology isn't a sign of weakness. it's a sign of how much you value your relationship and his feelings. Even if he does not apologize, you should anyway. Be the bigger person.

    2. It sounds like your FI may benefit from some individual counseling to work through his old issues and develop coping mechanisms for dealing with his emotions so that they don't overwhelm him and lead to these outbursts.

    3. You need to tell him how his outbursts make you feel, and how it felt to see your furbaby so upset. He needs to know how his behavior affects you and your household. He also needs to know that his behavior is unacceptable, and is compromising your future together.

     
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    capergrrl    December 29, 2012   Canada

    @tempertemper:

    Two words: Anger Management. Non negotiable. Also, if he does have a dirty past, it needs to be dealt with, before the wedding. Even if you dont think he will become violent towards you and the puppy, he is at the very least, being completely disrespectful with the yelling, screaming, blaming, waking you up super early for something he KNOWS will happen. I cant leave things lying around on the floor either, or it WILL end up in the dog bed, under the couch, ect.

    heres what to say to him when he gets home..

    You are a wonderful person with a heart of gold..."This, however, needs to stop. I won't live my life 'hiding' in the other room pretending not to hear his (your) rants, or trying to hurry up and find whatever it is that he's (you've) lost so he can calm down. I also will not raise children in a home where their father is always angry"

    Get some resources in order, go to couples counseling if he wont go by himself or if he needs your support.

    My ex had a violent temper about stupid things also, and it did escalate over the years. Never towards me, but we did loose a damage deposit after he threw a computer chair at the wall, leaving a sizeable hole. This was after we were together for a few years, and it scared the crap outta me. It wasn't the last time he did something like that either.

    I hope that you guys can work this out. Dont back down if he become angry with you wanting to live in peace without having to deal with his tantrums.

    Best of luck, let us know how it goes <3

     
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    Mrs.H2B    August 4, 2012   Canada

    I also agree that you should apologize for yelling, but then describe how you felt and why you felt you had to do it. Also tell him that you will not put up with it any longer.. he can't go around acting like a big baby all the time (which is what I picture when you describe his actions)

     

     

     
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    Moja Milosc    September 24, 2011  

    I grew up with a dad with a temper (a very, very loving and good man, but boy could he go off...) and married a man just like him. He's done well with counseling to help him figure out why he has such a short fuse, how his upbringing has effected his coping skills etc. and he also learns how to handle his anger better. I've been with him to counseling a few times and I realized how I was contributing to the outbursts. I really can't go yelling at him and expecting him to calm down. Whenever he handles something maturely instead of having a fit he's pretty proud of himself and that in itself is his motivation to keep working on it. He's still got a fuse but it's nothing that interferes with his relationships or work life.

    Wait till he's calm. Apologize for yelling, but tell him you meant what you said and should have communicated it better. He's probably embarrassed about the fit he had too, so be understanding and try not to make him feel ashamed. Good luck, you guys can get past this. I hope you feel better.

     
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    tempertemper    June 1, 2013  

    WOW thank you everyone for the responses!  Just typing it out here helped me calm down, and you're all right...I was totally wrong for yelling and will apologize for not handling it better.  I will also take your advice and calmly tell him how his yelling affects our home life, and how I'm not going anywhere but will support him while he gets help to work through things.  It really helps knowing that other people have had success with anger management and counseling.  I honestly don't know if he'll be open to either, but perhaps if I go with him it'll make him feel less anxious and we'll both learn how to handle things better. Thank you!  I'll keep you all posted!

     
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    MsMonkey    June 1, 2013   Denver, CO

    I totally get where you're coming from, because my SO is pretty similar. He gets frustrated very easily and flies off the handle. I'm a pretty subdued person. He's probably heard me yell twice in three years. Here are my thoughts:

    #1 Yes, apologize for yelling. It doesn't mean he didn't do anyting wrong or that he wasn't part of your anger. It's just setting an example for how you want your relationship to be. 

    #2 Do take some time to consider how you act in arguments. I'm not saying it's ok for him to fly into rages, but oftentimes, we more 'subdued' people don't realize the things we do that are just as bad as people who throw tantrums. I always thought I was the 'mature' one because I didn't yell. It took me a long time to understand that I fed into his anger constantly. I was making certain facial expression, comments, passive aggressive behaviors that really triggered him. He was wrong to blow up, but I played a role in it. It was SO wonderful for me to finally accept my place in this. 

    #3 I really suggest couples counseling. SO & I have been at it for about 2 months now and we've learned so much. He used to have these blow ups 2 or 3 times a week. Now he's had ONE in 2 months and it was incredibly minor and he calmed himself down very quickly. I've seen so much progress!! 

     

    Good luck! Good men can still have bad tempers...and as long as he's not aiming this AT you, then it's just another human flaw . 

     
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    mrs_pugetsound    May 14, 2011  

    Ugh...I feel like I could have written this post myself!!  My DH is exactly the same way...a great, sweet, loving, kind, "wouldn't lay a finger on a fly and even refuses to kill bugs" kind of guy.  But he has the SAME temper problem.  He gets overly frustrated at himself when something goes wrong, and will have a tantrum and make a scene.  Usually, it is about him not being able to find something, or something not working the way he wants it to work. 

    I've had MANY arguments with him about how this absolutely MUST stop.  Even if he is not yelling at me (which, 99 times out of a 100, he is mad about something that has absolutely nothing at all to do with me), I am affected by it!  And so is my dog!  My dog will also cower or run to another room.  I kind of do the same thing (or I guess I should say, "I used to.").  Now I just get pissed off too.  So many times, I just want to say, "I don't want to be in a house with an overgrown man-toddler, and I don't yell when I can't find things or if something isn't working.  If there is no one else around to hear you yelling, how am I supposed to think that the anger isn't somehow directed at me?!?!  Are you just yelling to hear your own self yelling?!?!?  Grow up!!!  You are making a scene for absolutely no reason!!  And even though you don't want to hear me say it....damnit I told you so about (fill in the blank with x-problem I forewarned him about but he didn't listen to...like putting his shoes away, or putting a tool back in the toolbox, or picking up his remotes before they are eaten by couch cushions)."  SO. VERY.  AGGRAVATING!

    I don't guess I have any useful advice, other than to call him out on it.  It might have wounded his ego momentarily to figure out his was in the wrong, but you don't deserve to be in an environment like that (and neither does your pup!).  Sometimes tough love is needed to get someone to see the errors in their ways.  I completely understand what you are going through, though!!!

     
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    eloping    May 23, 2010  

    yelling aside - why is it ok for the dog to constantly take & misplace items? being a retriever shouldnt make it ok, he can be trained to mind cant he? 

     
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    HappierKate    September 29, 2012  

    I totally know what you mean about him having a heart of gold but his anger problems still being unacceptable.  Even if he's not turning them on you, which probably takes a lot of restraint and is really good, he's still affecting you.  Good luck, I hope he's open to at least going in with you for counseling!

     
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    MerryWidow    July 21, 2012   Saratoga, NY

    Agreed with everyone else, I would absolutely have a talk with him and (calmly) explain to him how this makes you feel and see if he can figure out a way to work through whatever is causing his 'outbursts'.  Good luck!

     
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    ViaMinorViator    November 26, 2011  

    His anger has NOTHING to do with the hat.  Nothing at all.  Take it from someone who lived with someone who had an anger problem.  He needs therapy.  It is one thing to yell, but to scream to the point where an animal is terrified is beyond unacceptable.

     
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    tempertemper    June 1, 2013  

    UPDATE:  It's far from being 'over', but we did have a long talk about it when we got home.  Before either of us could say anything, I apologized for yelling earlier, because it wasn't the right way to handle it and I felt bad about THAT part of it.  However, when I saw our dog being scared because of his rant, I lost it and can't have that happen again.  He apologized for 'not being a picture of sunshine' (which was his way of saying being a miserable ass) and agreed that he does have a problem with flying off the handle.  I was very calm and explained that while I knew he wasn't ever yelling directly at me, and wasn't scared it would turn violent, I still felt like I was being yelled at.  (I actually said I knew how the dog felt, with the shaking and the being scared, even though she wasn't being yelled at)  We talked through it for a while, and in short for now I agreed to hold off on insisting counseling but ONLY because his health insurance hasn't fully kicked in yet, and the therapy I looked into was expensive.  The deal is that he needs to keep himself in check, or talk to me about things before they spiral, or ask me for help if he's missing something, and we'll continue to look into therapy.  If we find something we can afford before his health insurance kicks in fully, we'll look into it, or if this happens again it won't wait.  He actually took it rather well, he wasn't defensive or anything which surprised me.  He knows it's not something that can happen again, nor is it something I will tolerate.  Like I said, it's far from over, but at least we were able to discuss it calmly with no tears or swearing, to be re-examined in a month or two unless there is another incident.  I think all of your advice REALLY helped me explain it calmly, and I think he was genuinely relieved when I told him I still loved him because he is a good person and will work with him if he agrees to talk to someone so for that I thank all of you!!

     

    @eloping:  LOL, believe me we're NOT happy about the poor dog's quirks.  Because she had a REALLY bad home environment before I adopted her, she learned some bad behavior that we're trying to work with her on, including the stealing of things.  I've talked to the vet about it, and we are working on disciplining her in a way that doesn't frighten her, but does show her which behavior isn't 'OK', and redirecting her attention (telling her NO when she is carrying a shoe and giving her a chew toy instead, that kind of thing).  Most of her 'rearranging' is done out of lonliness and basically trying to get my 'approval', so I don't always get to catch her in the act unfortunately.  Yes, she's crazy...but we do our best LOL.

     
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    HappierKate    September 29, 2012  

    I'm so glad that it went well!  I know this isn't a good permanent solution, but perhaps you could work something out where if he feels himself getting that angry he can tell you what's wrong and then walk out of the house and talk a five minute walk?  That really helps me lately.  It sounds like he's aware that it's not a good situation to yell in front of you and the dog, so as long as you're looking for his missing items while he's calming down, that might be the escape that gets him through the worst part of his anger.

     

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